Add-on Playstation 3 Hdd Will Run Linux
<div class="IPBDescription">OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG /me faints</div> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Since E3, Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi has been calling the PlayStation 3 an "entertainment supercomputer" rather than a gaming console. Now, he's revealed a new plan to make sure that it's acknowledged as one.
In an interview with Impress PC Watch, Kutaragi disclosed that he plans to install the Linux operating system on the PS3's hard disc drive (HDD) so it will be recognized as a computer, rather than a mere console.
But while Linux would require a hard drive to run on, Kutaragi told Impress PC Watch, "We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] a HDD by default, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough." It was unclear whether he was referring to the previously known fact that the PS3 would not have an internal hard drive or whether he was indicating that the device would not come with the external 2.5-inch detachable HDD outlined in the specs revealed at E3.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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This time, we're positioning the PS3 as a "supercomputer." But people won't recognize it as a computer unless we call it a computer, so we're going to run an OS on it. In fact, the Cell can run multiple OSes. In order to run the OSes, we need an HDD. So in order to declare that the PS3 is a computer, I think we'll have [the PS3's HDD] preinstalled with Linux as a bonus." Mr Kutaragi said<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That clears it, I'm getting the PS3, Linux supported by Sony, WOOOT!!!!!1!!!!!!1!!
/me d0nces, raves, runs around in circles
Its preinstalled on the PS3 hard drive :o
<a href='http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html' target='_blank'>Gamespot</a>
<a href='http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/06/10/145227.shtml?tid=10&tid=106' target='_blank'>Slashdot</a>
In an interview with Impress PC Watch, Kutaragi disclosed that he plans to install the Linux operating system on the PS3's hard disc drive (HDD) so it will be recognized as a computer, rather than a mere console.
But while Linux would require a hard drive to run on, Kutaragi told Impress PC Watch, "We're not going to equip [the PS3 with] a HDD by default, because no matter how much [capacity] we put in it, it won't be enough." It was unclear whether he was referring to the previously known fact that the PS3 would not have an internal hard drive or whether he was indicating that the device would not come with the external 2.5-inch detachable HDD outlined in the specs revealed at E3.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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This time, we're positioning the PS3 as a "supercomputer." But people won't recognize it as a computer unless we call it a computer, so we're going to run an OS on it. In fact, the Cell can run multiple OSes. In order to run the OSes, we need an HDD. So in order to declare that the PS3 is a computer, I think we'll have [the PS3's HDD] preinstalled with Linux as a bonus." Mr Kutaragi said<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That clears it, I'm getting the PS3, Linux supported by Sony, WOOOT!!!!!1!!!!!!1!!
/me d0nces, raves, runs around in circles
Its preinstalled on the PS3 hard drive :o
<a href='http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html' target='_blank'>Gamespot</a>
<a href='http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/06/10/145227.shtml?tid=10&tid=106' target='_blank'>Slashdot</a>
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How dare you scare me like taht.
Anywho, nice find, now whats the sale price on the PS3? 900, 1k?
How dare you scare me like taht.
Anywho, nice find, now whats the sale price on the PS3? 900, 1k? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's all? I heard you had to sell your soul to Sony.
It's free, and it's not made by microsoft.
That said, some people who use linux are the sort of people who still think it's funny to call them "Microshaft" or "M$". Because they're stupid and they hate their customers... get it?
Well, there is, you know, the whole <i>open source</i> thing.
Well, that proves how ignorant you really are.
After all, Microsoft tried to claim that they invented softlinking. :b
I'm still of the opinion that most Windows users would be happier with a Macintosh, given that they exemplify the super-easy clicky-clicky tripe that's popular with those who don't want to think about owning a computer, just have it work. Mostly.
Maybe the PS3 will be the thing that blurs the line.
Unfortunately, that'd mean even more people who can't type flooding the forums, throwing alphabet soup at the boards and expecting other people to make sense of the mishmash of letters and numbers that they call 'typing'.
Well, that proves how ignorant you really are. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok... right there you can stop the Linux fanboyism. I like Linux too. But Linux is far from user friendly. Ever wonder why theres infinitely more 'my hardware wont work on linux' forums than Windows? And most of their replies is "oh you have to do this and this to the kernel and recompile it".
I tried Gentoo and gave up after realizing just about all of my hardware would require special compiles and special tweaks to crap just to get it to remotely work. Right now I have Mepis which I am very happy with running, and yea, as far as that goes it is friendly. But Linux as a whole is still very un friendly. We're in the year 2005 and your OS still can't auto mount CD roms or floppies? Although this is starting to change, I believe Ubuntu does this... not sure about Mepis....
What, are they supposed to write their own OS now?
My thoughts exactly. I want a game console. I have a bloody PC. The only people who would WANT Linux on their game console already have a computer, I guaranttee you, and most of them probably have Linux on (at least one of) their systems. So....why pay more for something I neither want nor need?
I thought the built-in dvd player was extraneous, but this....SO not worth shelling out extra for this crap.
That's pretty much what ran through my head.
I'm supposed to plop down money for an inferior "PC" while I already have a fully functioning one?
No thanks, Sony.
That's pretty much what ran through my head.
I'm supposed to plop down money for an inferior "PC" while I already have a fully functioning one?
No thanks, Sony. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
it'd be a sell *if* it isnt 'inferior'. (read: OMG CELL WTH PWN)
My thoughts exactly. I want a game console. I have a bloody PC. The only people who would WANT Linux on their game console already have a computer, I guaranttee you, and most of them probably have Linux on (at least one of) their systems. So....why pay more for something I neither want nor need?
I thought the built-in dvd player was extraneous, but this....SO not worth shelling out extra for this crap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed.
Well, that proves how ignorant you really are. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok... right there you can stop the Linux fanboyism. I like Linux too. But Linux is far from user friendly. Ever wonder why theres infinitely more 'my hardware wont work on linux' forums than Windows? And most of their replies is "oh you have to do this and this to the kernel and recompile it". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if I highlighted the part I said he was ignorant about....
Linux and windows couldn't be more different... You want somthing similar to Windows, chech out ReactOS, it aims to be a clone of Windows just as Linux is a clone of Unix.
Linux like Windows my ****
Well, that proves how ignorant you really are. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok... right there you can stop the Linux fanboyism. I like Linux too. But Linux is far from user friendly. Ever wonder why theres infinitely more 'my hardware wont work on linux' forums than Windows? And most of their replies is "oh you have to do this and this to the kernel and recompile it". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if I highlighted the part I said he was ignorant about....
Linux and windows couldn't be more different... You want somthing similar to Windows, chech out ReactOS, it aims to be a clone of Windows just as Linux is a clone of Unix.
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Sorry.... when did I ever say Linux was like Windows? I said Windows is more user friendly...... tone the fanboyism down kthx.
I never said Linux was user friendly, all I said was that he is ignorant for saying "it is just a less user friendly version of windows".
It is not a less user friendly version of windows, it is Linux.
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In the same way that a traditional oven differs from a microwave.
I never said Linux was user friendly, all I said was that he is ignorant for saying "it is just a less user friendly version of windows".
It is not a less user friendly version of windows, it is Linux.
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In the same way that a traditional oven differs from a microwave. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Erm... yea... might want to make it more obvious.. I generally don't read quotes stuff 3 quotes back in the nest. But yes I see what you were directing it at now. And it makes sense. Touche good sir.
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Ah ha. I also said 'From what i have seen', which doesn't really make any difference, but is worth a mention. My experience with Linux has been pretty limited, to be honest. I have read a few threads on the forums, but i can't really see the point in loading Linux on a ps3 hard drive. From what i understand, Linux is very limited in its choice of playable games when compared to windows, so why on earth would you load it on a gaming console? Is there some hidden advantage to having an extra OS on your console, or is it just to get fanboys to buy it?
I hate to be ignorant, but what <i>is</i> so different about Linux and Windows? I've checked it out on wikipedia, and have heard about "open source". I know what it means, but why is that important for an OS loaded on to a video game console?
My thoughts exactly. I want a game console. I have a bloody PC. The only people who would WANT Linux on their game console already have a computer, I guaranttee you, and most of them probably have Linux on (at least one of) their systems. So....why pay more for something I neither want nor need?
I thought the built-in dvd player was extraneous, but this....SO not worth shelling out extra for this crap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
paying extra for what? Linux is free.
Linux like Windows my **** <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah ha. I also said 'From what i have seen', which doesn't really make any difference, but is worth a mention. My experience with Linux has been pretty limited, to be honest. I have read a few threads on the forums, but i can't really see the point in loading Linux on a ps3 hard drive. From what i understand, Linux is very limited in its choice of playable games when compared to windows, so why on earth would you load it on a gaming console? Is there some hidden advantage to having an extra OS on your console, or is it just to get fanboys to buy it?
I hate to be ignorant, but what <i>is</i> so different about Linux and Windows? I've checked it out on wikipedia, and have heard about "open source". I know what it means, but why is that important for an OS loaded on to a video game console? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you first should read up on what an operating system is and what it does, specifically the kernel. Otherwise there isn't much we can tell you about the differences between linux and windows. The user interface that most people think of as the OS isn't even properly part of it. Basically an Operating System is a bit of code that abstracts the bare hardware and provides a set of tools for software to use so that they don't have to deal with alot of the sticky details of interfacing with hardware. These are thinks like concurrency control, device drivers, file system, virtual addressing, paging, audio and video apis, etc.
The Windows vs. linux debate is continuous, but here are some facts. Linux is free. Linux is open source, which means that if you want to work on it, or modify it, you can. Linux from the standpoint of operating system design is much more elegant in the way it handles a lot of things, which it inherited from UNIX. In the words of my OS professor "Windows rolled back OS research 30 years." Windows lacks some of the basic features common to UNIX variants 20 years ago, and is slowly kluging them on top. Windows 95 didn't even have real virtual addressing!
Windows however, supports everything, and has a lot of people doing whatever they have to to get everything to work with it. Also because Windows uses many fewer abstractions internally, a lot of the basic functionality is faster. However, don't get me started on the retarded decisions windows makes about paging. I start yelling, and it isn't pretty.
The advantage of having linux on the ps3 is that for one thing, most consoles don't have operating systems on them at all. This makes software development for them very difficult and expensive, although the final product can be more optimized. I'd imagine most of the ps3 games aren't going to touch linux at all, and will just run on bare hardware. However, having linux on there opens up an amazing amount of customization to the home user. There is a ton of free software out there for linux, and most of it you can download as source code, and assuming sony releases a compiler for the system, this really allows you to do whatever you want with the box without purchasing an expensive development kit. <a href='http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo' target='_blank'>MythTV</a> is one option I've heard mentioned that if it ported effectively, would allow you to turn your ps3 into a TiVo.
Being able tp play Emeny Territory on a PS3 would pwnzor <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->