It is only know for people who over generalize and every single one of those schools sites were written by students of basic medical science, not doctors, good try though depot.
When you go to medical school, one gets to learn how complicated the human body really is and if you make on mistake especially with blood type, the said person of the transfusion can die.
Kinda risky to over generalize? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I think so.
<!--QuoteBegin-Above article+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Above article)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The four different blood types are A, B, AB and O, and each type is either Rh-positive or Rh-negative. When a transfusion is given, it is preferable for patients to receive blood of a similar (or matching) ABO and Rh(D) group. However, in an emergency (if the required blood type is not known), a patient may be given group O negative blood. That is why group O negative blood is in higher demand than any other blood type. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Similar quotes found on the medlineplus.org (government run US), AABB (American Association of Blood Banks) MHRA in UK, NHS in the UK, JCBB in Japan, and finally the Eurocord-Cord Blood Transplant Group in Europe.
I could have given you a list a mile long but you're not worth the time. <span style='color:white'><b>is known as</b></span> is the key phrase here, and it stands.
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
edited May 2005
Ok, so grumpy ol' Depot is trying to save face, let's just let him have the fact that "Common knowledge" states that "Type O Blood" is the universal blood type, while in actual fact, Type O- blood is universal, and Type O is nearly-universal. ok?
everyone happy now?
**edit** when i say "Type O Blood is common knowledge to be universal, i mean both Type O and Type O-"
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+May 29 2005, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 29 2005, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hehe.. yes he is trying to save face Neon, its funny. :-) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> now now Cyndane, you're also being bad here by not just letting the fact be that it's "assumed knowledge" that Type O blood in general is universal. everyone's just being touchy here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I might be not letting it go, but that is because the medical association for various countries agrees with me. Again, I have personal experience as well for blood transfusions. There are not many areas that I can claim some expertise knowledge, but health when it comes to blood is most definately one of them.
Generalizing is BAD in the medical field, if you don't at least note there are exceptions you could KILL someone. Which is why O negative is needed so badly.
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I've always been really tempted to go and donate blood. I'm always seeing banners up showing where to go but a friend of mine <b>insists</b> you have to eat/consume the likes of biscuits and cookies to help with recovering whatever was lost. (There's something technical there but I can't remember what.)
But I don't eat anything like sweets, chocolate, candy, etc etc (in fact, a friend of mine purchased me a huge tin of chocolates (Celebrations?) for fixing his laptop. But I gave iit to another friends' daughters because i'm a nice guy like that. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) and haven't done in quite a few years. I don't want them forcing feeding me stuff like that but I also don't want to pass out on the way home. :-/
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+May 29 2005, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 29 2005, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I might be not letting it go, but that is because the medical association for various countries agrees with me. Again, I have personal experience as well for blood transfusions. There are not many areas that I can claim some expertise knowledge, but health when it comes to blood is most definately one of them.
Generalizing is BAD in the medical field, if you don't at least note there are exceptions you could KILL someone. Which is why O negative is needed so badly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Read it and weap then. Don't bother trying to educate the readers on these fora then, put your energy to good use and inform the public. I merely did a little research and posted it here. If it's incorrect your attempting to belittle me won't change what's out there.
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
damnit Cyndane and Depot, you're both in agreement, you're just not seeing it.
you both agree that Type O is nearly universal, and that Type O- <i>is</i> universal. the only reason you two are bickering is because you're both crazy. we can all agree that the <i>perceived public opinion</i> is that "Type O in general, both O- and O" is universal, while that is only partly true.
you two are just argueing over semantics, and you're both nuts. just agree to agree to agree, and give it up already, you're both right <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The point of the matter is the fact it is wrong, but you fail to even see it... it is like talking to certain someone in the dicussion forums all over again.
It takes 2 to argue, and I'm not participating. I think my last post summed it up pretty well. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thank you to all that have donated btw. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 29 2005, 07:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 29 2005, 07:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thank you to all that have donated btw. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i believe you've said that about a dozen times already Depot, you've made your point that you're a nice guy, you can stop now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yawr, true dat, but every now and then I glance up there and see <u>Replying to Blood Donation!</u> so, although we're discussing blood, I love those that gave. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
During my tour at HD I was the Wellness Rep, and the Fla/Ga Blood Alliance would set up at our store about twice a year. I was responsible for getting as many associates to sign up as possible, in advance.
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
i dont remember if you've mentioned or not (i think you have) but have you ever gave blood Depot? and if not, (which i think you havnt) then why not? also, why dont you do it now? provided you're not over 71 which i think is the age limit you ol' bugger <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No I have never given blood. I don't have a valid reason (other than what's mentioned below), particularly as I'm O positive.
Lobotomists have a field day on me, as my veins lie very deep. I had blood drawn a few weeks back for a routine annual physical, and it took her THREE jabs to find one. Now, I've got a cast iron stomach and it takes an awful lot to get to it, but I was starting to feel queasy after that second miss. Twas reminiscent of my induction into the U.S Army and the n00b medics butchering my inner arm trying to get blood.
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 29 2005, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 29 2005, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No I have never given blood. I don't have a valid reason (other than what's mentioned below), particularly as I'm O positive.
Lobotomists have a field day on me, as my veins lie very deep. I had blood drawn a few weeks back for a routine annual physical, and it took her THREE jabs to find one. Now, I've got a cast iron stomach and it takes an awful lot to get to it, but I was starting to feel queasy after that second miss. Twas reminiscent of my induction into the U.S Army and the n00b medics butchering my inner arm trying to get blood. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> aha, you know i have deep veins too, well, not as deep as yours i imagine but the nurse had a heck of a time trying to find mine, fortunately she got it on the first try because she was very careful to find it before hand, she put some pressure on my arm and that sort of made the vein more noticable (phew)
next time i go i'm going to get them to do it on the other arm, that one i can see the vein (most of it at least) so it's prolly not as deep.
tsk tsk Depot, you should give blood if you've got O type, even if it's not the universal O- <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-NeonSpyder+May 29 2005, 08:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NeonSpyder @ May 29 2005, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> tsk tsk Depot, you should give blood if you've got O type, even if it's not the universal O- <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I can't argue with that. Not many people with O group blood CAN argue with it.
That's probably the worse vice I have ... .. . <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NeonSpyder"Das est NTLDR?"Join Date: 2003-07-03Member: 17913Members
Naughty Depot, hoarding all his blood for himself <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
edited May 2005
Actually, I'm O negative. Which is making the local blood drivers irritable... they ask me if I know my type, then herd me over to fill out the form, only to have it come back rejected. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Meh, I've got a weak stomach since the last time I had to have blood work done. Nurse jabbed the needle in, then CRANKED it back and forth. *wince* Hurt for a week or two after, and I almost passed out with my arm on the table. All to find that the tests came back negative. I mean, they're getting craploads of my money. They SHOULD be able to hire someone competent.
And Depot... the sites you quoted about O being the 'universal donor' never mentioned a word about positive or negative. It <i>is</i> O- that's the universal. O+ is only in slightly less demand though.
That reminds me actually, when I was taken into hospital when the nurse tried to get a blood sample from me she had great difficulties getting it to actually draw into the needle. My body just doesn't want to give it up it would seem.
Interesting aside, when she couldn't get any to come out she said "Hm, a healthy young man like yourself should be able to to do this easily" I didn't want to point out I'd just been rushed into hospital and therefore wasn't particularly healthy...
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+May 29 2005, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ May 29 2005, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, I'm O negative. Which is making the local blood drivers irritable... they ask me if I know my type, then herd me over to fill out the form, only to have it come back rejected. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Meh, I've got a weak stomach since the last time I had to have blood work done. Nurse jabbed the needle in, then CRANKED it back and forth. *wince* Hurt for a week or two after, and I almost passed out with my arm on the table. All to find that the tests came back negative. I mean, they're getting craploads of my money. They SHOULD be able to hire someone competent.
And Depot... the sites you quoted about O being the 'universal donor' never mentioned a word about positive or negative. It <i>is</i> O- that's the universal. O+ is only in slightly less demand though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Any blood type negitive blood can go into anybody. The postive/negitive refers to some sort of chemical or blood cell that is around in people with positive blood types and causes regection when put into people with negitive blood types. negitive people don't have it, so thier blood can go into postive bloodies and all that happens is the concentration of the positiveies blood makers decreases slightly.
That's not quite true, Swiftspear. Somebody with Rh+ can indeed receive Rh- blood while someone with Rh- cannot receive Rh+ blood - it'll cause <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemolysis' target='_blank'>hemolysis.</a> However, the ABO blood type still needs to be <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type' target='_blank'>matched accordingly</a> (try the handy chart further down). You can't give A- blood to be a B+ recipient.
Oh, so THAT'S what the <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spleen' target='_blank'>spleen</a> does.
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When you go to medical school, one gets to learn how complicated the human body really is and if you make on mistake especially with blood type, the said person of the transfusion can die.
Kinda risky to over generalize? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think so.
*Edit* I'm sick of you being silly depot...
<a href='http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Blood_transfusion?OpenDocument' target='_blank'>Aussie Gov site</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-Above article+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Above article)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
The four different blood types are A, B, AB and O, and each type is either Rh-positive or Rh-negative. When a transfusion is given, it is preferable for patients to receive blood of a similar (or matching) ABO and Rh(D) group. However, in an emergency (if the required blood type is not known), a patient may be given group O negative blood. That is why group O negative blood is in higher demand than any other blood type.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Similar quotes found on the medlineplus.org (government run US), AABB (American Association of Blood Banks) MHRA in UK, NHS in the UK, JCBB in Japan, and finally the Eurocord-Cord Blood Transplant Group in Europe.
everyone happy now?
**edit** when i say "Type O Blood is common knowledge to be universal, i mean both Type O and Type O-"
now now Cyndane, you're also being bad here by not just letting the fact be that it's "assumed knowledge" that Type O blood in general is universal. everyone's just being touchy here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Generalizing is BAD in the medical field, if you don't at least note there are exceptions you could KILL someone. Which is why O negative is needed so badly.
But I don't eat anything like sweets, chocolate, candy, etc etc (in fact, a friend of mine purchased me a huge tin of chocolates (Celebrations?) for fixing his laptop. But I gave iit to another friends' daughters because i'm a nice guy like that. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) and haven't done in quite a few years. I don't want them forcing feeding me stuff like that but I also don't want to pass out on the way home. :-/
Such a dilemma.
Generalizing is BAD in the medical field, if you don't at least note there are exceptions you could KILL someone. Which is why O negative is needed so badly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read it and weap then. Don't bother trying to educate the readers on these fora then, put your energy to good use and inform the public. I merely did a little research and posted it here. If it's incorrect your attempting to belittle me won't change what's out there.
you both agree that Type O is nearly universal, and that Type O- <i>is</i> universal. the only reason you two are bickering is because you're both crazy. we can all agree that the <i>perceived public opinion</i> is that "Type O in general, both O- and O" is universal, while that is only partly true.
you two are just argueing over semantics, and you're both nuts. just agree to agree to agree, and give it up already, you're both right <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thank you to all that have donated btw. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i believe you've said that about a dozen times already Depot, you've made your point that you're a nice guy, you can stop now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
During my tour at HD I was the Wellness Rep, and the Fla/Ga Blood Alliance would set up at our store about twice a year. I was responsible for getting as many associates to sign up as possible, in advance.
Lobotomists have a field day on me, as my veins lie very deep. I had blood drawn a few weeks back for a routine annual physical, and it took her THREE jabs to find one. Now, I've got a cast iron stomach and it takes an awful lot to get to it, but I was starting to feel queasy after that second miss. Twas reminiscent of my induction into the U.S Army and the n00b medics butchering my inner arm trying to get blood.
Lobotomists have a field day on me, as my veins lie very deep. I had blood drawn a few weeks back for a routine annual physical, and it took her THREE jabs to find one. Now, I've got a cast iron stomach and it takes an awful lot to get to it, but I was starting to feel queasy after that second miss. Twas reminiscent of my induction into the U.S Army and the n00b medics butchering my inner arm trying to get blood. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
aha, you know i have deep veins too, well, not as deep as yours i imagine but the nurse had a heck of a time trying to find mine, fortunately she got it on the first try because she was very careful to find it before hand, she put some pressure on my arm and that sort of made the vein more noticable (phew)
next time i go i'm going to get them to do it on the other arm, that one i can see the vein (most of it at least) so it's prolly not as deep.
tsk tsk Depot, you should give blood if you've got O type, even if it's not the universal O- <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I can't argue with that. Not many people with O group blood CAN argue with it.
That's probably the worse vice I have ... .. . <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Meh, I've got a weak stomach since the last time I had to have blood work done. Nurse jabbed the needle in, then CRANKED it back and forth. *wince*
Hurt for a week or two after, and I almost passed out with my arm on the table. All to find that the tests came back negative. I mean, they're getting craploads of my money. They SHOULD be able to hire someone competent.
And Depot... the sites you quoted about O being the 'universal donor' never mentioned a word about positive or negative. It <i>is</i> O- that's the universal. O+ is only in slightly less demand though.
If I let my arms hang to my sides so that the blood rushes down the veins on the back of my hand and wrist will stick out. It rocks.
It also applys to my feet.
Interesting aside, when she couldn't get any to come out she said "Hm, a healthy young man like yourself should be able to to do this easily" I didn't want to point out I'd just been rushed into hospital and therefore wasn't particularly healthy...
Meh, I've got a weak stomach since the last time I had to have blood work done. Nurse jabbed the needle in, then CRANKED it back and forth. *wince*
Hurt for a week or two after, and I almost passed out with my arm on the table. All to find that the tests came back negative. I mean, they're getting craploads of my money. They SHOULD be able to hire someone competent.
And Depot... the sites you quoted about O being the 'universal donor' never mentioned a word about positive or negative. It <i>is</i> O- that's the universal. O+ is only in slightly less demand though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Any blood type negitive blood can go into anybody. The postive/negitive refers to some sort of chemical or blood cell that is around in people with positive blood types and causes regection when put into people with negitive blood types. negitive people don't have it, so thier blood can go into postive bloodies and all that happens is the concentration of the positiveies blood makers decreases slightly.
im serious... i aint gonna be donating my organs either... they are mine. and soon the worms dinner. but not for somebody else.
However, the ABO blood type still needs to be <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type' target='_blank'>matched accordingly</a> (try the handy chart further down). You can't give A- blood to be a B+ recipient.
Oh, so THAT'S what the <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spleen' target='_blank'>spleen</a> does.