(weblink)a Scientific Approach To God's Exsitence.
TheGivingTree
Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12070Members
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What people forget that if our planet was in a different balance different lifeforms would have evolved (if the balance was life sustaining off course). There are a gazillion planets out there with earth one of the very few that sustains life. So if you look at the number of panets out there, the number of combinations of factors that will be life sustaining and the chances of the life to evolve, I wouldn't be to suprised if the amount of life equals the chances for the life to evolve. Don't forget our universe is (I think) 11 to 20 Billion years old?
Also about the physical constants. Maybe there are/where/still to become millions of other universes out there totally empty because the physical constants arent right. Maybe they do harbor life we could've never thought off. Do you really think a carbon based humanoid is the only possible lifeform? Maybe they r made of energy but they can't exist because the speed of light needs to be halved and the planck constant needs to be doubled.
When I'm the only one surviving a plane crash I don't start believing in god. Chances to survive the crash are one in a million, well lucky me then! Everything was just right for me to survive. Same with life, lucky us.
Mount Rushmore is self-evidently an artificial creation. The universe is not.
Hmm, what if the code maker was god, and the code was the DNA?
<a href='http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/dna.html' target='_blank'>Human DNA as C code</a>
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That's is the entire point of having a god, it's a start.
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God is supposed to be the start of the universe. The universe, being inanimate, cannot create in the same way that a rock cannot create.
Anyway, saying all of that.
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Not every rock is a rushmore, not every random string of numbers is a code. Somethings exist without being created or designed by someone. I don't think this universe is a creation, I don't think we have a creator.
I could have sworn the religious and non-religious here agreed to disagree...
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Both scientific and god's existence, are independant of each other.
You can not use science to prove something that is magical/faith based.
Nor can you use faith/magic to prove something scientific.
Both scientific and god's existence, are independant of each other.
You can not use science to prove something that is magical/faith based.
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Hope we never proove god exists. Supposudly in the story book known as the bible... if god is proven to exist... faith will... unravel and the universe will go *poof*.
That and I'm sure god would be a major buzz-kill.
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Religion just theorys grown out of hand, human nature to believen in a greater being, keeps us from killing ouselfs with our intellegence.
Religion just theorys grown out of hand, human nature to believen in a greater being, keeps us from killing ouselfs with our <b> non-intelligence. </b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fixed, with an explanation.
If we are scared of something we won't try to do it. Perfect example is the sound barrier, people were scared it would be the end of the world, so for quite a while no one attempted it for it was "becoming more like god".
Fear is what holds us back, but cautiousness is what gets us through.
i didnt really insult people. They can have their opinions
mine is that religion makes people dumb
i didnt really insult people. They can have their opinions
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Of course, some people dont need the help...
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Making use of your right to have an opinon does not warrant insulting roughly 2 billion people ...
You can't use science to point to a creator, because there is no tangible evidence of his existence. There's nothing to recreate under lab conditions that would prove God. Ambiogenesis, evolution, whatever - it's <i>not</i> the aim of these scientific theories to pin down whether God exists. Whether these theories are right or not does not affect the chances of there being a God (although it does affect the bible, etc.).
As for the site - all you've done is point us to it. Which articles do you have in mind? What do you want to discuss, in particular?
Of course, the universe is a fragile structure that is based on strict laws. These laws can be defined and explained. These laws allow the perfect balance that allows us to exist.
Just alter some variables and the whole universe would collapse.
However, this does not prove the existance of an entity that desinged and enforces these laws. If you seek god, you will most probably find him in mathematic equations. If you can prove that the energy that enforces these equations has a conciousness and intents, you have found god.
Every scientist searching for the principles of the universe does refer to god at some point. I guess that everybody who really has an understanding for the complexity of the universe will start to believe that there is more than equations and numbers. However you cannot prove it.
So, eventually it still lies in your own judgement, regardless of what sources you present here.
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Thats why we have the theory of evolution, nuclear fusion, starformation etc.
In addition to what snidely said, your site also doesn't have any basis for its "facts".
I saw absolutely none of the scientific data that proves there is a being with infinite power other then "this is the way it is."
Frankly that site is as big of a joke as genesis answers, or the tektonics. It is just another point of view about something that can not be explained.
So, since the universe beginnings can not be explained its god? That isn't proof that is just a way to solve the mystery for those that care not for the answers. Waste of time that site is, yes.
~ DarkATi
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They both have equally as compelling scientific evidence.
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If it wasn't for religion then after the fall of the Roman empire we'd be figuring out how to do geometry again
The truth is religion is a courner stone of every great civilization, it's not a coincidence, it lends to the overall prosperity and greater welfare of a nation.
As much as people want to believe that religion is bad and evil, the <b>overwhelming</b> empirical evidence says otherwise.
So before you try and knock religion, just remember that you are utterly wrong.
So before you name the Inquisition that killed 1000 people in one town on one day, try to remember the millions of others who have been given charity, home, relief, shelter, <b>knowledge</b> and the community bonding elements of religion which allowed pioneers to stay close and work with each other.
"A contemporary has said, not unjustly, that in this materialistic age of ours the serious scientific workers are the only profoundly religious people."
- <a href='http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm#TIMES' target='_blank'>Einstien</a>
Wannabe skeptics love to claim that religion is bad and blah blah blah but where is the proof? Oh yeah, they forgot to critize their ideas of religion before they started to critize religion.
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But this is not only religion, if your parents keep saying that chinese people (example) are stupid have killed alot of your friends and must be killed, then you would start to believe it, especcailly if there are no others saying that its not true. And religion just makes this even worse, becourse they are all about violence.
by the book i mean by like the bible or the other religions books
Religion is definately not all about violence, although mass would be more interesting if it was. What makes you think that?
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pretty much all religions involves people killing other people, or that you must kill all people that not are of your religion: christianity (sp?) god says you must kill all who hasnt joined him. Islam says you must kill all hedens and the jews are the same as the christianity.
only like buddhism and hinduism aint about violence