Just becuase something exists doesnt mean there's a perfect counter for it. Our body already deals with cell mutations on its own, in that way you can say our body <i>does</i> have a natural defense mechanism that operates on a daily basis to protect our bodies from malfunctioning cells. The thing is, pretty much every animal that I can think of gets cancer, and most animals eat exactly what they're built to.
A vial of tiny robot drones injected into the blood stream use a mixture of chemicals injected DIRECTLY into the cancerous cells via a manipulator arm to kill the cancer and nothing else.
Only 3 problems
1) Building enough of these tiny buggers 2) What to do when they are done (can you say Constipated?) 3) Shielding them from the body's natural EM field (Yes, your body is a rather potent electromagnet!)
<!--QuoteBegin-juice+May 15 2005, 10:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (juice @ May 15 2005, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Only land animals get cancer. And freshwater aquatic life. Ocean creatures are cancer-free. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/703082.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/703082.stm</a>
Maybe not all ocean life, but at least sharks and related fish can get cancer. I'll look further into the ocean life thing, but it's sounding a little like a myth to me after reading that.
<!--QuoteBegin-BloodySloth+May 16 2005, 05:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BloodySloth @ May 16 2005, 05:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-juice+May 15 2005, 10:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (juice @ May 15 2005, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Only land animals get cancer. And freshwater aquatic life. Ocean creatures are cancer-free. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/703082.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/703082.stm</a>
Maybe not all ocean life, but at least sharks and related fish can get cancer. I'll look further into the ocean life thing, but it's sounding a little like a myth to me after reading that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Correct, every living animal today has the potential for cancer, doesn't mean they will have it, but they could.
I remember reading a scientific article sometime back describing that the body <i>does</i> have a natural defense against cancer--it's just not very efficient.
Our immune systems have a way to recognize cancerous cells and destroy them. At the time of this article, we didn't yet know what that method of recognition was, and the authors speculated that if we could figure out how that worked that might give us another tool in fighting cancer. At any rate, the process of auto-killing cancer cells was fairly slow and inefficient--so if the unknown recognition method was able to kick in on a new cancer, before it started growing, the cancer could be <i>prevented</i> from growing in the first place. But once the cancer had taken hold and grown to a reasonable size, the auto-defense system had no chance of handling it without outside help.
This syncs up nicely with research suggesting that overall health (including diet) is important in preventing cancer, but is fairly ineffective in curing cancers once afflicted. If Gerson's is really that effective at improving the immue system, then I suppose that would probably be very helpful in preventing future cancers. But no matter how perfect your immune system, its just not fast enough to take out an extent fast-growing malignant tumor.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cxwf+May 17 2005, 12:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ May 17 2005, 12:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I remember reading a scientific article sometime back describing that the body <i>does</i> have a natural defense against cancer--it's just not very efficient.
Our immune systems have a way to recognize cancerous cells and destroy them. At the time of this article, we didn't yet know what that method of recognition was, and the authors speculated that if we could figure out how that worked that might give us another tool in fighting cancer. At any rate, the process of auto-killing cancer cells was fairly slow and inefficient--so if the unknown recognition method was able to kick in on a new cancer, before it started growing, the cancer could be <i>prevented</i> from growing in the first place. But once the cancer had taken hold and grown to a reasonable size, the auto-defense system had no chance of handling it without outside help.
This syncs up nicely with research suggesting that overall health (including diet) is important in preventing cancer, but is fairly ineffective in curing cancers once afflicted. If Gerson's is really that effective at improving the immue system, then I suppose that would probably be very helpful in preventing future cancers. But no matter how perfect your immune system, its just not fast enough to take out an extent fast-growing malignant tumor. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed with 100% :-)
<!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+May 9 2005, 09:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ May 9 2005, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If they had a cure, they would ****ing use it. End of story, sorry. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> qft
<!--QuoteBegin-Cxwf+May 17 2005, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ May 17 2005, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I remember reading a scientific article sometime back describing that the body <i>does</i> have a natural defense against cancer--it's just not very efficient.
Our immune systems have a way to recognize cancerous cells and destroy them. At the time of this article, we didn't yet know what that method of recognition was, and the authors speculated that if we could figure out how that worked that might give us another tool in fighting cancer. At any rate, the process of auto-killing cancer cells was fairly slow and inefficient--so if the unknown recognition method was able to kick in on a new cancer, before it started growing, the cancer could be <i>prevented</i> from growing in the first place. But once the cancer had taken hold and grown to a reasonable size, the auto-defense system had no chance of handling it without outside help.
This syncs up nicely with research suggesting that overall health (including diet) is important in preventing cancer, but is fairly ineffective in curing cancers once afflicted. If Gerson's is really that effective at improving the immue system, then I suppose that would probably be very helpful in preventing future cancers. But no matter how perfect your immune system, its just not fast enough to take out an extent fast-growing malignant tumor. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks for posting this, I somehow missed reading it until now.
I feel vindicated in that my premise of the body having natural defenses seems true. The human body is a much more capable and intelligent entity than many would like to give it credit for. Now the defense may not be perfect, but we've gone from "no defense" to "some defense".
I believe you are correct in that the body needs outside help in certain situations. Gerson I believe to have a double effect namely boosting the cancer control mechanism in the body _and_ suppressing cancer growth with natural cancer inhibiting foods. This is what I would think produces some amazing results.
<!--QuoteBegin-FilthyLarry+May 23 2005, 10:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FilthyLarry @ May 23 2005, 10:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thanks for posting this, I somehow missed reading it until now.
I feel vindicated in that my premise of the body having natural defenses seems true. The human body is a much more capable and intelligent entity than many would like to give it credit for. Now the defense may not be perfect, but we've gone from "no defense" to "some defense".
I believe you are correct in that the body needs outside help in certain situations. Gerson I believe to have a double effect namely boosting the cancer control mechanism in the body _and_ suppressing cancer growth with natural cancer inhibiting foods. This is what I would think produces some amazing results. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What I'm saying is that these auto-defense mechanisms just <i>aren't fast enough</i>. Even with the boosted immune system that presumably comes with Gerson's therapy, a tumor thats grown beyond a very tiny size (which it probably will before the victim even starts treatment) just can't be attacked fast enough. The anti-cancer defense cells are one-use only (think xenociding skulks rather than HAs)--a large number of them swarm a single cancer cell, and both the cancer cell and the swarm of defense cells die off. So if there are already a large number of cancer cells, you won't have enough defence cells to swarm them all.
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A vial of tiny robot drones injected into the blood stream use a mixture of chemicals injected DIRECTLY into the cancerous cells via a manipulator arm to kill the cancer and nothing else.
Only 3 problems
1) Building enough of these tiny buggers
2) What to do when they are done (can you say Constipated?)
3) Shielding them from the body's natural EM field (Yes, your body is a rather potent electromagnet!)
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/703082.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/703082.stm</a>
Maybe not all ocean life, but at least sharks and related fish can get cancer. I'll look further into the ocean life thing, but it's sounding a little like a myth to me after reading that.
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/703082.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/703082.stm</a>
Maybe not all ocean life, but at least sharks and related fish can get cancer. I'll look further into the ocean life thing, but it's sounding a little like a myth to me after reading that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correct, every living animal today has the potential for cancer, doesn't mean they will have it, but they could.
Our immune systems have a way to recognize cancerous cells and destroy them. At the time of this article, we didn't yet know what that method of recognition was, and the authors speculated that if we could figure out how that worked that might give us another tool in fighting cancer. At any rate, the process of auto-killing cancer cells was fairly slow and inefficient--so if the unknown recognition method was able to kick in on a new cancer, before it started growing, the cancer could be <i>prevented</i> from growing in the first place. But once the cancer had taken hold and grown to a reasonable size, the auto-defense system had no chance of handling it without outside help.
This syncs up nicely with research suggesting that overall health (including diet) is important in preventing cancer, but is fairly ineffective in curing cancers once afflicted. If Gerson's is really that effective at improving the immue system, then I suppose that would probably be very helpful in preventing future cancers. But no matter how perfect your immune system, its just not fast enough to take out an extent fast-growing malignant tumor.
Our immune systems have a way to recognize cancerous cells and destroy them. At the time of this article, we didn't yet know what that method of recognition was, and the authors speculated that if we could figure out how that worked that might give us another tool in fighting cancer. At any rate, the process of auto-killing cancer cells was fairly slow and inefficient--so if the unknown recognition method was able to kick in on a new cancer, before it started growing, the cancer could be <i>prevented</i> from growing in the first place. But once the cancer had taken hold and grown to a reasonable size, the auto-defense system had no chance of handling it without outside help.
This syncs up nicely with research suggesting that overall health (including diet) is important in preventing cancer, but is fairly ineffective in curing cancers once afflicted. If Gerson's is really that effective at improving the immue system, then I suppose that would probably be very helpful in preventing future cancers. But no matter how perfect your immune system, its just not fast enough to take out an extent fast-growing malignant tumor. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed with 100% :-)
qft
Our immune systems have a way to recognize cancerous cells and destroy them. At the time of this article, we didn't yet know what that method of recognition was, and the authors speculated that if we could figure out how that worked that might give us another tool in fighting cancer. At any rate, the process of auto-killing cancer cells was fairly slow and inefficient--so if the unknown recognition method was able to kick in on a new cancer, before it started growing, the cancer could be <i>prevented</i> from growing in the first place. But once the cancer had taken hold and grown to a reasonable size, the auto-defense system had no chance of handling it without outside help.
This syncs up nicely with research suggesting that overall health (including diet) is important in preventing cancer, but is fairly ineffective in curing cancers once afflicted. If Gerson's is really that effective at improving the immue system, then I suppose that would probably be very helpful in preventing future cancers. But no matter how perfect your immune system, its just not fast enough to take out an extent fast-growing malignant tumor. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks for posting this, I somehow missed reading it until now.
I feel vindicated in that my premise of the body having natural defenses seems true. The human body is a much more capable and intelligent entity than many would like to give it credit for. Now the defense may not be perfect, but we've gone from "no defense" to "some defense".
I believe you are correct in that the body needs outside help in certain situations. Gerson I believe to have a double effect namely boosting the cancer control mechanism in the body _and_ suppressing cancer growth with natural cancer inhibiting foods. This is what I would think produces some amazing results.
qft <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Capitilism suggests otherwise.
Thanks for posting this, I somehow missed reading it until now.
I feel vindicated in that my premise of the body having natural defenses seems true. The human body is a much more capable and intelligent entity than many would like to give it credit for. Now the defense may not be perfect, but we've gone from "no defense" to "some defense".
I believe you are correct in that the body needs outside help in certain situations. Gerson I believe to have a double effect namely boosting the cancer control mechanism in the body _and_ suppressing cancer growth with natural cancer inhibiting foods. This is what I would think produces some amazing results. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I'm saying is that these auto-defense mechanisms just <i>aren't fast enough</i>. Even with the boosted immune system that presumably comes with Gerson's therapy, a tumor thats grown beyond a very tiny size (which it probably will before the victim even starts treatment) just can't be attacked fast enough. The anti-cancer defense cells are one-use only (think xenociding skulks rather than HAs)--a large number of them swarm a single cancer cell, and both the cancer cell and the swarm of defense cells die off. So if there are already a large number of cancer cells, you won't have enough defence cells to swarm them all.