KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
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<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Feb 23 2005, 12:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Feb 23 2005, 12:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Level 37 Rogue NElf on Crushridge, by the name of Dramora.
Haven't dueled a Pally since before the downer-of-dps patch, but if they are near as strong as they were, they still need a nerf. Big.
Warriors need a buff out the butt.
Shamans need a nerf.
Druids need nerfs on certain DPS things(in normal form), and need a buff to their buffs.
Rogues need to get higher evasion.
Priests need a buff, and need 1 decent damaging spell(i.e., not ulta-crap Smite)
Hunters need to be nerfed in early game, buffed in late.
More quests are needed at level 34/35 for Alliance/both.
Otherwise, I love it. And funny kuperaye, my buddies that are level 60 all say the game is still tons of fun with tons of things to do at 60. They've been there about as long as you too. Hmm. Who knows. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you still have lot to learn about this game qua
warriors are fine in GROUP PVP they own in late game with a priest
pally needs a dps buff but it doesnt matter to me (60 Pally Archimonde) no nerf required
shamans need frost shock in a longer cooldown and ghostwolf form out of combat only
druids need fixing on healing (draw too much aggro) thats about it for them
rogues are fine
priests, play shadow priest k thx if you want to pvp
Hunters are fine, Kite masters++ in end game
have they done each raid 30+ times have theyve done MC 5+ times, raiding is only fun for the first 29 times each instance
somewhere amongst those shoulders lies a dwarf <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think rogues are fine for combat but they really need more utility to make them more group friendly. At the moment for the high level instances they can't really do much a mage can't do so they seem a tad sorta pointless :/
The Spirit stat needs an overhaul, probably along with the '5 second' rule ¬.¬
The problem from what I hear isn't a rogues utility. It's the fact that they have to be right in the thick of things to do any kind of damage, but in the end instances like Molten Core, mobs let out wave AoE's that do easily 1-2k damage a wave, and a Rogue just doesn't have time to dive out of that. And because WoW uses an overly simple system, there's no reflex saves like in a proper RPG system, so Rogues are completley boned. That's what almost every level 60 Rogue says, at least.
Wow that must suck. *huggles warrior and glares at commie* Warriors rock, even in their crappy state. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
During the second beta (too slow the first time around) i got 4 characters on PvP servers to about level 10... then 7... then 5... then not even past level 2; at which point i called it quits with <b>three days</b> left out of the 7.
The first character i made was a Troll Hunter. Fun for the first two days, i was able to become skilled enough to make some leather armor, but nowhere near as good as i was getting from quests... which were fun at first, but soon became a snooze fest. Got to about level 10, and sure, i moved all the way out to the first tauren place i could find, and was fighting some enemies and doing some quests there with my pet raptor, but that got old. And Fast. Second character i made was a undead warlock (missing his lower jaw. ewwww. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) and that was rather interesting. The NPC you have to fight was a fun but somewhat shocking event ("OMG why is the NPC attacking me?!" i remember reading once) and blasting things with spells was sweet, so i played for a while, but not nearly as long as the Troll. Got him up to level 7 before i declared it "boring as hell" ...
So, i decided to change servers (to another PvP) and make a Dwarf Warrior. Got to level 7, also fairly fun, and the "run the hot mug to the guy at place 'x'" was nice, but it was still all the same "collect this, kill that, and report back to me" of the Troll Hunter/Undead Warlock. This one got to level 4 or 5 before i called it quits. Within the SAME day (no more then 5 hours passed) i made my fourth character, Human Mage. I dont usually play as a female character, but considering the last three things i played as wen't exactly "cute" i decided my eyes deserved something better to look at. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Unfortunetly, the graphical lovelyness did not improve gameplay. So, there i was, stuck on the shores of hell (read: boredom) and passed it over to my bro. And what does the 16 year old younger brother do? Guess. {quiz-show music plays} Female Night-Elf Rogue... <b>What else?</b> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Three days go by and after many many hours of after-school leveling he's level 18 "wandering around another area doing some godless quest for some nameless NPC." as <i>he</i> put it.
Though i can't speak for him, what really killed my love and excitement for WoW was that it was exactly the same as nearly every other MMO out there. Yes, it's in the WC universe, and YES, it's gameplay is ballanced by the finest minds Blizzard can hire, but ... eh ...
"<u>For high level players only</u>" Is what came to my mind. The MOMENT i dropped the Human Mage i litterally said to myself, "Jesus, i've gone through all the major sections of gameplay (Warrior, Rogue, Sorcerer) and nothing has held my attention for the first 10 levels. Surely there'd be some good stuff, but daaamn. How long till then? How much <b>money</b> till then?" And my brother's comment when asked wether or not to buy it was "Nah. Not worth it." i realized that every linear-advancement MMO is a scam for the first 'maxlevel minus 1' levels; because until that point, you dont have anything to do but to grind.<span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'> And grind.</span><span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'> And grind.</span><span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'> <i>And grind...</i></span> On and on into the arthritic shores of hell.
<!--QuoteBegin-Haze+Feb 24 2005, 10:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haze @ Feb 24 2005, 10:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow that must suck. *huggles warrior and glares at commie* Warriors rock, even in their crappy state. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't make my rogue for molten core runs or UBRS, I made him to embarass level 20s
I guess I'm kinda used to it maveric but what you say holds true for most MMOs; they've taken 'character development' and turned it into their marketting strategy :p
What I think most of them need is more dungeons with more puzzle content. ~hugs the zelda games and purrs~ Oh and really cool boss fights that require you working out ways to beat them. "hit them till they fall down" just doesn't feel 'bossy' :3
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Feb 25 2005, 02:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Feb 25 2005, 02:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Haze+Feb 24 2005, 10:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haze @ Feb 24 2005, 10:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow that must suck. *huggles warrior and glares at commie* Warriors rock, even in their crappy state. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't make my rogue for molten core runs or UBRS, I made him to embarass level 20s <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As you should have, as you should have.
I think rogues are fine for combat but they really need more utility to make them more group friendly. At the moment for the high level instances they can't really do much a mage can't do so they seem a tad sorta pointless :/
The Spirit stat needs an overhaul, probably along with the '5 second' rule ¬.¬ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Rogues and Mages are the SAME exact classes, one uses mana while the other uses energy. There Skill Trees are built the same basically. Burst Dps and the others for utility. Rogues with Improved Sap own in later instances.
kupe, I've played both classes a lot and they're not the same. Since when did Rogues get...
- Area Effect Attacks (this is what most mages get recruited into high end instances for) - The ability to produce water and food for allies - a ranged Sap that works in combat (hellooooo polymorph!)
I suppose that's balanced out by you being able to pick locks right? if the blacksmiths with their keys and engineers with their charges don't beat you to them that is :p Perhaps the overwhelming powerful ability to detect traps you won't find in any dungeon and disarm them is what makes you valuable? Lets not forget that amazing party power 'pickpocket' either huh?
I've never seen such a bunch of pointless fluff skills since... well... ever o.O
Don't get me wrong, I like rogues in most games but in WoW they only do one thing well and that's assassinate single targets. For any other task there's classes that do a lot better and bring extras to boot :/ They really are one of the least party-friendly things you can go; even hunters have more group use with their mini-tank in tow.
As for similar talent trees wha? I could say that about any class what's your point?
Mages have a heckload more control in fights than rogues ever had. The 'control' of a rogue is personal; they can avoid or run from fights but for their friends they can't do a lot. Mages can root whole crowds with frost nova and various ice talents, slow them for an escape with cone of cold or blizzard if necessary and they can even get that thing that's beating on the priest off in a matter of seconds with polymorph; the badguy won't be doing anything for 45 seconds... and this is IN combat.
Point is rogues are soloers, mages are party and by golly if I'm not having more fun with my spell-slinger than my lil backstabber offered :p
<!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Feb 25 2005, 05:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Feb 25 2005, 05:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> kupe, I've played both classes a lot and they're not the same. Since when did Rogues get...
- Area Effect Attacks (this is what most mages get recruited into high end instances for) - The ability to produce water and food for allies - a ranged Sap that works in combat (hellooooo polymorph!)
I suppose that's balanced out by you being able to pick locks right? if the blacksmiths with their keys and engineers with their charges don't beat you to them that is <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Perhaps the overwhelming powerful ability to detect traps you won't find in any dungeon and disarm them is what makes you valuable? Lets not forget that amazing party power 'pickpocket' either huh?
I've never seen such a bunch of pointless fluff skills since... well... ever o.O
Don't get me wrong, I like rogues in most games but in WoW they only do one thing well and that's assassinate single targets. For any other task there's classes that do a lot better and bring extras to boot :/ They really are one of the least party-friendly things you can go; even hunters have more group use with their mini-tank in tow.
As for similar talent trees wha? I could say that about any class what's your point?
Mages have a heckload more control in fights than rogues ever had. The 'control' of a rogue is personal; they can avoid or run from fights but for their friends they can't do a lot. Mages can root whole crowds with frost nova and various ice talents, slow them for an escape with cone of cold or blizzard if necessary and they can even get that thing that's beating on the priest off in a matter of seconds with polymorph; the badguy won't be doing anything for 45 seconds... and this is IN combat.
Point is rogues are soloers, mages are party and by golly if I'm not having more fun with my spell-slinger than my lil backstabber offered <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> every high end instance you can do with 1-2 rogues 1-2 mages. if you read what i said thier skill trees are BUILT the same exact way. Plus polymorph isnt too usefull when you use Arcane Explosion. i rather take improved sap over polymorph in high end instances tbh. It doesnt aggro mobs.
plus hunters arent needed in high end instances, you only bring 1 because you dont want to spend 3 hours doing scholomance to only have beast stalkers helm drop.
you mean it doesn't aggro mobs 90% of the time. That 10% chance often comes back to bite you when you least need it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Generally if you're going to sap something in an instance it's because you're going to attack it's friends anyways so all the mages have to do is do it at some point before the fight.
The fact it's ranged also makes it easy enough to sheep them before they come into AE blast range, but close enough so the sheep doesn't wander and cause trouble. Just takes practice and planning.
Like I said earlier you could say almost all class templates are BUILT the same way if you're going to be as broad as you were; same as how you could say lord of the rings is about a bunch of midgets who destroy a piece of jewellery if you feel like simplifying things enough to help your point :/
<!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Mar 2 2005, 01:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Mar 2 2005, 01:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 450K, 1158 pixel-wide images make baby Jesus cry. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you comparing yourself to Jesus? We live in a world of high speed internet. So stop crying and be happy I didn't post the 3MB tga file it was initially saved as.
<!--QuoteBegin-RuBy+Mar 2 2005, 02:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RuBy @ Mar 2 2005, 02:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-theclam+Mar 2 2005, 01:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (theclam @ Mar 2 2005, 01:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 450K, 1158 pixel-wide images make baby Jesus cry. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you comparing yourself to Jesus? We live in a world of high speed internet. So stop crying and be happy I didn't post the 3MB tga file it was initially saved as. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't be a jerk, not everyone has broadband. Complaining about large images is perfectly normal.
This is probably going way off topic, but I don't think I should make a new thread for this and this thread was simply labeled "discussion" so I figured it would be ok.
IF not just let me know and I'll edit this post..
What the the minimum most requirements for this game that would still have REASONABLY nice looking graphics and NO random slowdown / poor performance?
I'm not trying to find out whether my computer can handle this game, it can't, I know that and I don't feel one way or the other about it.
I just want to know what sort of machine I might set my sights on buying come this summer.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Mar 2 2005, 03:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Mar 2 2005, 03:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is probably going way off topic, but I don't think I should make a new thread for this and this thread was simply labeled "discussion" so I figured it would be ok.
IF not just let me know and I'll edit this post..
What the the minimum most requirements for this game that would still have REASONABLY nice looking graphics and NO random slowdown / poor performance?
I'm not trying to find out whether my computer can handle this game, it can't, I know that and I don't feel one way or the other about it.
I just want to know what sort of machine I might set my sights on buying come this summer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You need at least 512 MB of RAM. Anything less and things get bad. You'll also need a fairly good graphics card, figure around a Radeon 9800 Pro should be able to run it well on medium settings, which are fairly nice. Processor wise, no idea. You might be able to get by with a 1.5 Ghz but a 2 or more Ghz processor is probably ideal.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Mar 2 2005, 04:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Mar 2 2005, 04:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Mar 2 2005, 03:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Mar 2 2005, 03:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is probably going way off topic, but I don't think I should make a new thread for this and this thread was simply labeled "discussion" so I figured it would be ok.
IF not just let me know and I'll edit this post..
What the the minimum most requirements for this game that would still have REASONABLY nice looking graphics and NO random slowdown / poor performance?
I'm not trying to find out whether my computer can handle this game, it can't, I know that and I don't feel one way or the other about it.
I just want to know what sort of machine I might set my sights on buying come this summer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You need at least 512 MB of RAM. Anything less and things get bad. You'll also need a fairly good graphics card, figure around a Radeon 9800 Pro should be able to run it well on medium settings, which are fairly nice. Processor wise, no idea. You might be able to get by with a 1.5 Ghz but a 2 or more Ghz processor is probably ideal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A 9800 is more than enough, I can run it on max settings with a 9800 and I get a good framerate...
WTH? the graphics don't look that good to require a 9800
so those of you who have played for a bit, do yall think it WoW is worth buying?
lookin over the classes i think i'd pick rogue as well <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> they seem to be very fast paced, comparatively. like an assassin in d2, the real reason i ever played that game
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<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Mar 2 2005, 07:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Mar 2 2005, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This may be the game-breaker as towards wheter i'll get this game.
<i>Can I be a Dwarf Hunter with a musket?</i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yes
BadKarmaThe Advanced Literature monsters burned my house and gave me a 7Join Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8260Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Mar 2 2005, 07:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Mar 2 2005, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Mar 2 2005, 07:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Mar 2 2005, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This may be the game-breaker as towards wheter i'll get this game.
<i>Can I be a Dwarf Hunter with a musket?</i> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yes
and you can build your own. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Blizzard just purchased my soul. <i>Cheap.</i>
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Haven't dueled a Pally since before the downer-of-dps patch, but if they are near as strong as they were, they still need a nerf. Big.
Warriors need a buff out the butt.
Shamans need a nerf.
Druids need nerfs on certain DPS things(in normal form), and need a buff to their buffs.
Rogues need to get higher evasion.
Priests need a buff, and need 1 decent damaging spell(i.e., not ulta-crap Smite)
Hunters need to be nerfed in early game, buffed in late.
More quests are needed at level 34/35 for Alliance/both.
Otherwise, I love it. And funny kuperaye, my buddies that are level 60 all say the game is still tons of fun with tons of things to do at 60. They've been there about as long as you too. Hmm. Who knows. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you still have lot to learn about this game qua
warriors are fine in GROUP PVP they own in late game with a priest
pally needs a dps buff but it doesnt matter to me (60 Pally Archimonde) no nerf required
shamans need frost shock in a longer cooldown and ghostwolf form out of combat only
druids need fixing on healing (draw too much aggro) thats about it for them
rogues are fine
priests, play shadow priest k thx if you want to pvp
Hunters are fine, Kite masters++ in end game
have they done each raid 30+ times have theyve done MC 5+ times, raiding is only fun for the first 29 times each instance
edit: heres my ****ry character
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I think rogues are fine for combat but they really need more utility to make them more group friendly. At the moment for the high level instances they can't really do much a mage can't do so they seem a tad sorta pointless :/
The Spirit stat needs an overhaul, probably along with the '5 second' rule ¬.¬
The first character i made was a Troll Hunter. Fun for the first two days, i was able to become skilled enough to make some leather armor, but nowhere near as good as i was getting from quests... which were fun at first, but soon became a snooze fest. Got to about level 10, and sure, i moved all the way out to the first tauren place i could find, and was fighting some enemies and doing some quests there with my pet raptor, but that got old. And Fast. Second character i made was a undead warlock (missing his lower jaw. ewwww. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) and that was rather interesting. The NPC you have to fight was a fun but somewhat shocking event ("OMG why is the NPC attacking me?!" i remember reading once) and blasting things with spells was sweet, so i played for a while, but not nearly as long as the Troll. Got him up to level 7 before i declared it "boring as hell" ...
So, i decided to change servers (to another PvP) and make a Dwarf Warrior. Got to level 7, also fairly fun, and the "run the hot mug to the guy at place 'x'" was nice, but it was still all the same "collect this, kill that, and report back to me" of the Troll Hunter/Undead Warlock. This one got to level 4 or 5 before i called it quits. Within the SAME day (no more then 5 hours passed) i made my fourth character, Human Mage. I dont usually play as a female character, but considering the last three things i played as wen't exactly "cute" i decided my eyes deserved something better to look at. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Unfortunetly, the graphical lovelyness did not improve gameplay.
So, there i was, stuck on the shores of hell (read: boredom) and passed it over to my bro. And what does the 16 year old younger brother do? Guess.
{quiz-show music plays}
Female Night-Elf Rogue... <b>What else?</b> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Three days go by and after many many hours of after-school leveling he's level 18 "wandering around another area doing some godless quest for some nameless NPC." as <i>he</i> put it.
Though i can't speak for him, what really killed my love and excitement for WoW was that it was exactly the same as nearly every other MMO out there. Yes, it's in the WC universe, and YES, it's gameplay is ballanced by the finest minds Blizzard can hire, but ... eh ...
"<u>For high level players only</u>" Is what came to my mind. The MOMENT i dropped the Human Mage i litterally said to myself, "Jesus, i've gone through all the major sections of gameplay (Warrior, Rogue, Sorcerer) and nothing has held my attention for the first 10 levels. Surely there'd be some good stuff, but daaamn. How long till then? How much <b>money</b> till then?" And my brother's comment when asked wether or not to buy it was "Nah. Not worth it." i realized that every linear-advancement MMO is a scam for the first 'maxlevel minus 1' levels; because until that point, you dont have anything to do but to grind.<span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'> And grind.</span><span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'> And grind.</span><span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'> <i>And grind...</i></span> On and on into the arthritic shores of hell.
I didn't make my rogue for molten core runs or UBRS, I made him to embarass level 20s
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Druid's catform is a joke, I was a lvl 37 feral spec'ed druid, bear form killed just almost as fast as the catform :/
What I think most of them need is more dungeons with more puzzle content. ~hugs the zelda games and purrs~
Oh and really cool boss fights that require you working out ways to beat them. "hit them till they fall down" just doesn't feel 'bossy' :3
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As you should have, as you should have.
I think rogues are fine for combat but they really need more utility to make them more group friendly. At the moment for the high level instances they can't really do much a mage can't do so they seem a tad sorta pointless :/
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Rogues and Mages are the SAME exact classes, one uses mana while the other uses energy. There Skill Trees are built the same basically. Burst Dps and the others for utility. Rogues with Improved Sap own in later instances.
Since when did Rogues get...
- Area Effect Attacks (this is what most mages get recruited into high end instances for)
- The ability to produce water and food for allies
- a ranged Sap that works in combat (hellooooo polymorph!)
I suppose that's balanced out by you being able to pick locks right? if the blacksmiths with their keys and engineers with their charges don't beat you to them that is :p
Perhaps the overwhelming powerful ability to detect traps you won't find in any dungeon and disarm them is what makes you valuable?
Lets not forget that amazing party power 'pickpocket' either huh?
I've never seen such a bunch of pointless fluff skills since... well... ever o.O
Don't get me wrong, I like rogues in most games but in WoW they only do one thing well and that's assassinate single targets. For any other task there's classes that do a lot better and bring extras to boot :/
They really are one of the least party-friendly things you can go; even hunters have more group use with their mini-tank in tow.
As for similar talent trees wha? I could say that about any class what's your point?
Mages have a heckload more control in fights than rogues ever had. The 'control' of a rogue is personal; they can avoid or run from fights but for their friends they can't do a lot. Mages can root whole crowds with frost nova and various ice talents, slow them for an escape with cone of cold or blizzard if necessary and they can even get that thing that's beating on the priest off in a matter of seconds with polymorph; the badguy won't be doing anything for 45 seconds... and this is IN combat.
Point is rogues are soloers, mages are party and by golly if I'm not having more fun with my spell-slinger than my lil backstabber offered :p
Since when did Rogues get...
- Area Effect Attacks (this is what most mages get recruited into high end instances for)
- The ability to produce water and food for allies
- a ranged Sap that works in combat (hellooooo polymorph!)
I suppose that's balanced out by you being able to pick locks right? if the blacksmiths with their keys and engineers with their charges don't beat you to them that is <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Perhaps the overwhelming powerful ability to detect traps you won't find in any dungeon and disarm them is what makes you valuable?
Lets not forget that amazing party power 'pickpocket' either huh?
I've never seen such a bunch of pointless fluff skills since... well... ever o.O
Don't get me wrong, I like rogues in most games but in WoW they only do one thing well and that's assassinate single targets. For any other task there's classes that do a lot better and bring extras to boot :/
They really are one of the least party-friendly things you can go; even hunters have more group use with their mini-tank in tow.
As for similar talent trees wha? I could say that about any class what's your point?
Mages have a heckload more control in fights than rogues ever had. The 'control' of a rogue is personal; they can avoid or run from fights but for their friends they can't do a lot. Mages can root whole crowds with frost nova and various ice talents, slow them for an escape with cone of cold or blizzard if necessary and they can even get that thing that's beating on the priest off in a matter of seconds with polymorph; the badguy won't be doing anything for 45 seconds... and this is IN combat.
Point is rogues are soloers, mages are party and by golly if I'm not having more fun with my spell-slinger than my lil backstabber offered <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
every high end instance you can do with 1-2 rogues 1-2 mages. if you read what i said thier skill trees are BUILT the same exact way. Plus polymorph isnt too usefull when you use Arcane Explosion. i rather take improved sap over polymorph in high end instances tbh. It doesnt aggro mobs.
plus hunters arent needed in high end instances, you only bring 1 because you dont want to spend 3 hours doing scholomance to only have beast stalkers helm drop.
Generally if you're going to sap something in an instance it's because you're going to attack it's friends anyways so all the mages have to do is do it at some point before the fight.
The fact it's ranged also makes it easy enough to sheep them before they come into AE blast range, but close enough so the sheep doesn't wander and cause trouble. Just takes practice and planning.
Like I said earlier you could say almost all class templates are BUILT the same way if you're going to be as broad as you were; same as how you could say lord of the rings is about a bunch of midgets who destroy a piece of jewellery if you feel like simplifying things enough to help your point :/
edit: see below... (we really need a rolleyes emot)
Are you comparing yourself to Jesus? We live in a world of high speed internet. So stop crying and be happy I didn't post the 3MB tga file it was initially saved as.
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Don't be a jerk, not everyone has broadband. Complaining about large images is perfectly normal.
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IF not just let me know and I'll edit this post..
What the the minimum most requirements for this game that would still have REASONABLY nice looking graphics and NO random slowdown / poor performance?
I'm not trying to find out whether my computer can handle this game, it can't, I know that and I don't feel one way or the other about it.
I just want to know what sort of machine I might set my sights on buying come this summer.
IF not just let me know and I'll edit this post..
What the the minimum most requirements for this game that would still have REASONABLY nice looking graphics and NO random slowdown / poor performance?
I'm not trying to find out whether my computer can handle this game, it can't, I know that and I don't feel one way or the other about it.
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You need at least 512 MB of RAM. Anything less and things get bad. You'll also need a fairly good graphics card, figure around a Radeon 9800 Pro should be able to run it well on medium settings, which are fairly nice. Processor wise, no idea. You might be able to get by with a 1.5 Ghz but a 2 or more Ghz processor is probably ideal.
IF not just let me know and I'll edit this post..
What the the minimum most requirements for this game that would still have REASONABLY nice looking graphics and NO random slowdown / poor performance?
I'm not trying to find out whether my computer can handle this game, it can't, I know that and I don't feel one way or the other about it.
I just want to know what sort of machine I might set my sights on buying come this summer. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You need at least 512 MB of RAM. Anything less and things get bad. You'll also need a fairly good graphics card, figure around a Radeon 9800 Pro should be able to run it well on medium settings, which are fairly nice. Processor wise, no idea. You might be able to get by with a 1.5 Ghz but a 2 or more Ghz processor is probably ideal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
A 9800 is more than enough, I can run it on max settings with a 9800 and I get a good framerate...
so those of you who have played for a bit, do yall think it WoW is worth buying?
lookin over the classes i think i'd pick rogue as well <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> they seem to be very fast paced, comparatively. like an assassin in d2, the real reason i ever played that game
i'd rather look like a paladin or fighter
<i>Can I be a Dwarf Hunter with a musket?</i>
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yes
and you can build your own.
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yes
and you can build your own. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blizzard just purchased my soul. <i>Cheap.</i>