North Korea
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As I'm sure most of you have heard by now North Korea has officially declared it has nuclear weapons and has just pulled out of the 6-nation talks.
We all know Bush believes very firmly that negotiating with NK is something we can't do, so that seems to rule out any negotiations with them at all.
In a matter of days any peaceful way of disarming this situation have seemingly faded away, now it seems all we can do is wait for NK to do something.
Do you think war is inevitable with NK?
If war were to happen what do you think would take place?
I myself can't see the NK holding out for very long ether way...I just keep hoping he'll run out of food for his troops.
Do you think China will be a help or a hindrance?
I think that China is loving every moment of this, we won't dare tell them what to do, and they get to keep us off balance with their veritable puppet NK.
Alright then let’s see where this goes, discuss.
As I'm sure most of you have heard by now North Korea has officially declared it has nuclear weapons and has just pulled out of the 6-nation talks.
We all know Bush believes very firmly that negotiating with NK is something we can't do, so that seems to rule out any negotiations with them at all.
In a matter of days any peaceful way of disarming this situation have seemingly faded away, now it seems all we can do is wait for NK to do something.
Do you think war is inevitable with NK?
If war were to happen what do you think would take place?
I myself can't see the NK holding out for very long ether way...I just keep hoping he'll run out of food for his troops.
Do you think China will be a help or a hindrance?
I think that China is loving every moment of this, we won't dare tell them what to do, and they get to keep us off balance with their veritable puppet NK.
Alright then let’s see where this goes, discuss.
Comments
On the sublect of China, IMO China is itching for a war to cut the population down whether or not it would be against the U.S or NK I don't know
What I think would happen? South korea gets turned into a smoking crater, US retaliates, NK turns into same crater, nation that has ties to NK gets angry, retaliates on the US somehow. It won't be pretty if something comes of this. Worries me.
and IMO if one nuke gets launched in anger within the next 5 years it will immediatly lead to many many other launches for retalition, revenge and "defense".
Personaly I think it depends mostly on our administration. I my opinion the last term showed that Bush's administration is something of a warmongering one. I really don't want to get off in a debate about if its a good policy to set ultimatums for countries whose policys we don't agree with and refuse to negotiate at all (see Iraq, see Iran currently, and now S. Korea), but I think that the chances of this ending peacefuly are greatly reduced by such a policy.
I hope it does end well though, the military is overtaxed enough as it is, the only way i could see the draft being re-instated is if there is another large scale conflict that requires more troops than we have. Korea could potentialy be that. Military service aside, a draft would be increadably dvise in this country, and we're broken up in to too many factions as it is.
Well, thanks for the offer, though I think I'd rather head off to Mexico. No offense, but Canada ain't got nothing on warm sunny white sandy beachs, hot senoritas and tequilia.
Of course I probably won't risk having my car stolen at gun point again and be gutted in an alley in Tiajuana....
As for the question of why is the US, France, and a few other counrties the only ones who should get nukes? The answer is simple, these countries will not go and sell them to the highest bidder. If NK does in fact nukes, then we have to worry that they will sell them to terrorist groups so they can set one off in a major city(not just in the US).
I don't think any admistration will initiate a draft, as it will be the death for their political party. I dont know what the answer is, but I hope it can be a peaceful one.
As for the question of why is the US, France, and a few other counrties the only ones who should get nukes? The answer is simple, these countries will not go and sell them to the highest bidder. If NK does in fact nukes, then we have to worry that they will sell them to terrorist groups so they can set one off in a major city(not just in the US).
I don't think any admistration will initiate a draft, as it will be the death for their political party. I dont know what the answer is, but I hope it can be a peaceful one. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if the US wasn't prone to making enemys....
As for the question of why is the US, France, and a few other counrties the only ones who should get nukes? The answer is simple, these countries will not go and sell them to the highest bidder. If NK does in fact nukes, then we have to worry that they will sell them to terrorist groups so they can set one off in a major city(not just in the US).
I don't think any admistration will initiate a draft, as it will be the death for their political party. I dont know what the answer is, but I hope it can be a peaceful one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if the US wasn't prone to making enemys.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They would hate us regardless of our actions.
Because when we play the isolationist card it allows hostile nations to build up and become a larger threat in the long run. Why take chances?
We are apart of the free world, who we start **** with generally deserves the **** kicking they deserve anyway.
No the North Korean government is used to eating and such luxuries as gold plated Mercedes.
As for the question of why is the US, France, and a few other counrties the only ones who should get nukes? The answer is simple, these countries will not go and sell them to the highest bidder. If NK does in fact nukes, then we have to worry that they will sell them to terrorist groups so they can set one off in a major city(not just in the US).
I don't think any admistration will initiate a draft, as it will be the death for their political party. I dont know what the answer is, but I hope it can be a peaceful one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if the US wasn't prone to making enemys.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They would hate us regardless of our actions.
Because when we play the isolationist card it allows hostile nations to build up and become a larger threat in the long run. Why take chances?
We are apart of the free world, who we start **** with generally deserves the **** kicking they deserve anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then let some other nation do it because you can forget me suiting up and dying for some old man with a righteous view of the world
As for the question of why is the US, France, and a few other counrties the only ones who should get nukes? The answer is simple, these countries will not go and sell them to the highest bidder. If NK does in fact nukes, then we have to worry that they will sell them to terrorist groups so they can set one off in a major city(not just in the US).
I don't think any admistration will initiate a draft, as it will be the death for their political party. I dont know what the answer is, but I hope it can be a peaceful one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if the US wasn't prone to making enemys.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They would hate us regardless of our actions.
Because when we play the isolationist card it allows hostile nations to build up and become a larger threat in the long run. Why take chances?
We are apart of the free world, who we start **** with generally deserves the **** kicking they deserve anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then let some other nation do it because you can forget me suiting up and dying for some old man with a righteous view of the world <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You said yourself that there is the chance that this situation could lead to nuclear war. Which would you prefer, a conventional war to disarm North Korea, or a nuclear war because we tried and failed to work things out diplomatically? If things go down the tubes, we don't really have a choice. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for the question of why is the US, France, and a few other counrties the only ones who should get nukes? The answer is simple, these countries will not go and sell them to the highest bidder. If NK does in fact nukes, then we have to worry that they will sell them to terrorist groups so they can set one off in a major city(not just in the US).
I don't think any admistration will initiate a draft, as it will be the death for their political party. I dont know what the answer is, but I hope it can be a peaceful one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if the US wasn't prone to making enemys.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They would hate us regardless of our actions.
Because when we play the isolationist card it allows hostile nations to build up and become a larger threat in the long run. Why take chances?
We are apart of the free world, who we start **** with generally deserves the **** kicking they deserve anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then let some other nation do it because you can forget me suiting up and dying for some old man with a righteous view of the world <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You said yourself that there is the chance that this situation could lead to nuclear war. Which would you prefer, a conventional war to disarm North Korea, or a nuclear war because we tried and failed to work things out diplomatically? If things go down the tubes, we don't really have a choice. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yup.
Whats **** about NK is it would probably require a draft even if all US forces were activated and sent to NK...
Maybe.
And meanwhile, the north koreans are sending envious glances across the border to their kinsmen in the south. And they know that they have their own government to thank for it.
North Korea won't last long I say. I predict a revolution and reunification. But I may be biased, having seen it in my own home country.
It happened in Germany. Why not in Korea?
Why did North Korea tell the world that they have Nuclear Weapons?
Why did North Korea tell the world that they have Nuclear Weapons? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
To have a bargaining chip. It's much easier to bargain with actual nukes than with a nuclear program.
On the sublect of China, IMO China is itching for a war to cut the population down whether or not it would be against the U.S or NK I don't know <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Everybody always says how the US thinks it should be the only nation with nukes... Just look at all the nations that have them. The ones that have have had them for awhile and haven't used them. This is a good thing.
I'd say it's more accurate to say that the US doesn't want any more countries to get them just for the uncertainty factor that it introduces, as all current nuke-holders have proven to be somewhat rational.
That would not be very great.
As for the question of why is the US, France, and a few other counrties the only ones who should get nukes? The answer is simple, these countries will not go and sell them to the highest bidder. If NK does in fact nukes, then we have to worry that they will sell them to terrorist groups so they can set one off in a major city(not just in the US).
I don't think any admistration will initiate a draft, as it will be the death for their political party. I dont know what the answer is, but I hope it can be a peaceful one. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe if the US wasn't prone to making enemys.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They would hate us regardless of our actions.
Because when we play the isolationist card it allows hostile nations to build up and become a larger threat in the long run. Why take chances?
We are apart of the free world, who we start **** with generally deserves the **** kicking they deserve anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then let some other nation do it because you can forget me suiting up and dying for some old man with a righteous view of the world <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And if every other nation has the same mentality, than no one will do anything. Waiting for someone else to do something is a sure way to leave something undone. As fa as you suiting up; if you don't sign up to server, you wont be fighting. The idea of a draft coming back is silly, it is political suicide for any party that brings it back(ot at least in the case of korea).
I would love to see that but im sure kim jong ill (spelling?) would have no problem killing hundreds if not thousands of innocents and rebels to stop a revolution.