Defragmenting Is Fun!

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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited February 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Feb 6 2005, 12:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Feb 6 2005, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MonsieurEvil+Feb 5 2005, 08:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Feb 5 2005, 08:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> AT 04:00 /every:t,th,s defrag c: <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What letter(s) would you use for Sunday? I imagine it would be su, but it would be good to know for sure. Also, how would you get rid of the change after entering it in? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You guessed right. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> The options are

    /every:m,t,w,th,f,s,su

    You can also specify days of the month, so that '/every:1,15' would run it on the 1st and 15th, 12 times a year. If you want all the AT syntax, just type AT /?.

    To get rid of a job, type AT. That will show you the scheduled job numbers. Then type:

    AT # /d

    (substituting your job number for the # sign in the example).
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  • StewieStewie Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18795Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Feb 6 2005, 03:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Feb 6 2005, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Stewie+Feb 6 2005, 06:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stewie @ Feb 6 2005, 06:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whenever I defrag I lose free HD space, so I don't like defragging <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You DON'T lose free HDD space. It might LOOK like you do because it's moving files around but, in the end, you still have exactly the same amount of hard drive space that you had in the beginning. Following Marik's book example, you're only moving pages around on the shelf, not adding or subtracting more pages. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Really ? Then my eyes must be playing tricks on me, since whenever I defrag I see the available space % go down a couple of percents
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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Stewie+Feb 6 2005, 10:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stewie @ Feb 6 2005, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Feb 6 2005, 03:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Feb 6 2005, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Stewie+Feb 6 2005, 06:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stewie @ Feb 6 2005, 06:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whenever I defrag I lose free HD space, so I don't like defragging <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You DON'T lose free HDD space. It might LOOK like you do because it's moving files around but, in the end, you still have exactly the same amount of hard drive space that you had in the beginning. Following Marik's book example, you're only moving pages around on the shelf, not adding or subtracting more pages. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Really ? Then my eyes must be playing tricks on me, since whenever I defrag I see the available space % go down a couple of percents <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They go back up, too. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Defrag your drive, noting how much space you "lost" then, once the defrag is done, close the program and open it again. Then check. Also note how much space the Properties window for your drive (In My Computer) says is free before and after.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    As long as we're talking about it, would constant defragging (once a day) cause any harm to the hard drive over a long period of time? As in, wear it out faster?
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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Feb 6 2005, 10:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Feb 6 2005, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As long as we're talking about it, would constant defragging (once a day) cause any harm to the hard drive over a long period of time? As in, wear it out faster? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not really. Once your disk is in good shape, there'll be very little to defrag every day, so it won't have to do much. It'll be no worse than surfing the Internet for a little while.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Feb 6 2005, 07:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Feb 6 2005, 07:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Feb 6 2005, 10:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Feb 6 2005, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As long as we're talking about it, would constant defragging (once a day) cause any harm to the hard drive over a long period of time? As in, wear it out faster? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not really. Once your disk is in good shape, there'll be very little to defrag every day, so it won't have to do much. It'll be no worse than surfing the Internet for a little while. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ahah, right, didn't think about that. I guess if it's not fragmented it won't do much. Thanks <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->C:\Documents and Settings\---->help AT
    The AT command schedules commands and programs to run on a computer at
    a specified time and date. The Schedule service must be running to use
    the AT command.

    AT [\\computername] [ [id] [/DELETE] | /DELETE [/YES]]
    AT [\\computername] time [/INTERACTIVE]
       [ /EVERY:date[,...] | /NEXT:date[,...]] "command"

    \\computername     Specifies a remote computer. Commands are scheduled on the
                      local computer if this parameter is omitted.
    id                 Is an identification number assigned to a scheduled
                      command.
    /delete            Cancels a scheduled command. If id is omitted, all the
                      scheduled commands on the computer are canceled.
    /yes               Used with cancel all jobs command when no further
                      confirmation is desired.
    time               Specifies the time when command is to run.
    /interactive       Allows the job to interact with the desktop of the user
                      who is logged on at the time the job runs.
    /every:date[,...]  Runs the command on each specified day(s) of the week or
                      month. If date is omitted, the current day of the month
                      is assumed.
    /next:date[,...]   Runs the specified command on the next occurrence of the
                      day (for example, next Thursday).  If date is omitted, the
                      current day of the month is assumed.
    "command"          Is the Windows NT command, or batch program to be run.


    C:\Documents and Settings\----><!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
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  • iFireiFire Join Date: 2002-07-31 Member: 1038Members
    I blame microsoft for implementing such a outdated file system that needs to be defragged... Linux!
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  • CondizzleCondizzle Join Date: 2004-10-05 Member: 32107Members
    edited February 2005
    I have a 1 gig fragmented portion that can't be defragged (With the built-in defrag). It's my Steam games <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
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  • NegativityNegativity Join Date: 2004-08-08 Member: 30463Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Condizzle+Feb 6 2005, 09:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Condizzle @ Feb 6 2005, 09:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have a 1 gig fragmented portion that can't be defragged (With the built-in defrag). It's my Steam games <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> . <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Exit Steam first....?
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  • FacTorFacTor Wyoming, MI Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10916Members
    So wait a minute here...I dont think Ive defragged once..(It takes way too long..)

    Does this mean I need to Defrag?
    <img src='http://jeuker.no-ip.com/defrag.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
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  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-FacTor+Feb 6 2005, 09:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FacTor @ Feb 6 2005, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So wait a minute here...I dont think Ive defragged once..(It takes way too long..)

    Does this mean I need to Defrag?
    <img src='http://jeuker.no-ip.com/defrag.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ... That means you need a fresh format. Sweet jesus. Do a fresh format and either do MonsE's trick and have it defrag every day or get Diskeeper 9 and set it to defrag whenever the drive needs defragging. (Diskeeper 9 is much faster than the built-in defrag and the automatic defragging won't cause a performance hit, except for a few MB of RAM being used.)

    In that state, it's going to be incredibly difficult to defrag. Just backup your stuff and do a clean format. I can give you 40 Gmail accounts if you want to use that as a backup. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • CondizzleCondizzle Join Date: 2004-10-05 Member: 32107Members
    Sweet Jesus! Did you pick up your hardrive and throw it at the wall?
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  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    No one beats my sisters PC...


    pwned....
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    My jaw just hit the floor. <i>Hard.</i>
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  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    You shouldn't attempt to eat bowling balls.
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    edited February 2005
    This is what the window SHOULD say.
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  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    lol Haze
    We always had a lot of computers in my house when I was growing up.
    Everyone had a at least one PC.
    That one pictured was the "family" PC at the time.
    Then when I left it became my sisters primary PC.

    In all those years, she never did a single defrag.
    I went home to visit over christmas and boy does that PC sound like crap.


    I never knew PCs could gurgle and grind like that one could.

    My sister jsut recently got a new laptop.

    I feel for its future.
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  • NolSinklerNolSinkler On the Clorf Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26560Members, Constellation
    How the heck do you defrag a computer? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Computers aren't my hobby...computer games are <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> sad face again
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  • PetcoPetco Join Date: 2003-07-27 Member: 18478Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-NolSinkler+Feb 6 2005, 07:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NolSinkler @ Feb 6 2005, 07:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How the heck do you defrag a computer? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Computers aren't my hobby...computer games are <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> sad face again <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The Windows way:
    Go to my computer
    Right click your hard drive that you want to defrag
    Click Properties
    Click tools
    Click defragment now..
    You should guess the rest.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    I thought most people defragged during the night anyway? It's kind of necessary with a 100+ GB HD though...
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  • CondizzleCondizzle Join Date: 2004-10-05 Member: 32107Members
    This is my punishment for using the built-in defrag:
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  • Fog_cartoonsFog_cartoons Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20658Members
    edited February 2005
    .........wow









    Well at least you've got some blue in there.
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  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Condizzle+Feb 7 2005, 11:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Condizzle @ Feb 7 2005, 11:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is my punishment for using the built-in defrag: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    According to MonsE the built in defragger is good, and I trust him about these matters. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    I used windows defrag, my computer restarted and wouldn't turn on again D::::.
    FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.
    It was crazy...
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  • CondizzleCondizzle Join Date: 2004-10-05 Member: 32107Members
    According to it, I will have to defrag it multiple times to get it good. That was after the 4th defrag...
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I've read in PC Magazine a few times(gah, sorry!) that with Windows XP, defragging doesn't change much because of the way everything gets fragmented, so performence increases are minimal, and that the only reason a defrag should go is in hopes of getting a "cleaner" system. Is this true?
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  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Sounds like n00bs trying to act smart.

    /me remembers someone on that stupid gamespot TV thing calling the x850 XT PE the 50x platinum XT something.
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  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    The thing that MonsE posted... Is there anyway to know it's actually defragging or do I just trust MonsE's h4x?
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  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    The Steam .GFC files really get fragmented over time. (as in, a giant blob of Red) Degragmenting your hard-drive is the best thing you can do. Trust me.
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