Defragmenting Is Fun!

HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
edited February 2005 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Holy cow! Its like, half my computer!</div> Half of my comptuer is offically a fragment, and I have no idea what a contiguous file is if anyone could please tell me that.

<img src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/FischyStyx/wower.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Red > Fragmented File
Blue > Contiguous File
Green > Unmoveable File
White > Free Space (Where is that color now..)
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  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    Contiguous = Not fragmented. You need to defragment a lot more often.
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    Contiguous = good?
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Iv had worse, almost all of it was red, solid red at that.

    Solved that in a few hours tho.
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Haze+Feb 5 2005, 11:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haze @ Feb 5 2005, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Contiguous = good? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, means the file is all in one place, ie not split into pices accross the HD.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    You think that's bad? Have a look...
    <img src='http://xs14.xs.to/pics/05050/Frag.PNG' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


    I need to defrag, but don't have the spare HD space (defrag needs 15%).
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Feb 5 2005, 03:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Feb 5 2005, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You think that's bad? Have a look...
    <img src='http://xs14.xs.to/pics/05050/Frag.PNG' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


    I need to defrag, but don't have the spare HD space (defrag needs 15%). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Copy a bunch of stuff to gmail, delete it from your computer, defrag, move it back.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    edited February 2005
    It's poor analogy time!

    Think about it this way, haze: you've got a nice big shelf for your books, and all of these books are for some magical reason missing their covers, resulting in a whole lot of sheets of paper. If you were to take out a sheet of paper, you'd be able to read the page number and tell which book it belonged to just by looking at it. If you wanted to read a book, you could just look through the pages from one end of the shelf to the other, and when you see page 1 of the one you wanted, the next bundle of sheets after it would be that book.

    Now let's imagine that this big shelf, for magical reasons that really aren't worth detailing at the moment, decides to organize stuff in a way that the pages for your book might not all be next to each other. You might have pages out of order, you might have pages from another book stuck in between the one you want, or maybe a little bit of both is happening. Nothing's really wrong with your shelf or your books, but it'll take you longer to find all the pages of your book so you can read it.

    Defragmenting is like telling the shelf to spend time making sure all of the pages of your books are next to each other, without interruptions or being out of order. Hence the word "contiguous." The performance boosts can be anywhere from not noticeable to huge, depending on how badly it was fragmented and what the computer is used for.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Actually I need to finish seeding a bunch of game torrents and then delete the data off my HD.

    I just wish I could get more than ~40 Kbps upload speed... >.<
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    It keeps stopping itself from de-fragmenting about five minutes in.. should I disk clean first? I tried that for an hour first, and it didnt help a bit. If this doesnt help (defragment) then I'm just going to reformat (again) and put the nessessities on it (again). Would reformatting help?

    Thanks for all the help!
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    Apparently you need 15% free space, according to DragonMech. You don't have nearly that much, so you either need to delete a lot of stuff, or reformat. Or move to gmail, defrag, move back.
  • TyrainTyrain Join Date: 2003-01-03 Member: 11746Members
    For defragmenting pleasures I recommend <a href='http://www.executive.com/coverpage.asp' target='_blank'>Executive Diskeeper</a>. It's really helpful.
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Feb 5 2005, 06:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Feb 5 2005, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Apparently you need 15% free space, according to DragonMech. You don't have nearly that much, so you either need to delete a lot of stuff, or reformat. Or move to gmail, defrag, move back. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I have 18% of free space. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marik Steele+Feb 5 2005, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik Steele @ Feb 5 2005, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's poor analogy time!

    Think about it this way, haze: you've got a nice big shelf for your books, and all of these books are for some magical reason missing their covers, resulting in a whole lot of sheets of paper. If you were to take out a sheet of paper, you'd be able to read the page number and tell which book it belonged to just by looking at it. If you wanted to read a book, you could just look through the pages from one end of the shelf to the other, and when you see page 1 of the one you wanted, the next bundle of sheets after it would be that book.

    Now let's imagine that this big shelf, for magical reasons that really aren't worth detailing at the moment, decides to organize stuff in a way that the pages for your book might not all be next to each other. You might have pages out of order, you might have pages from another book stuck in between the one you want, or maybe a little bit of both is happening. Nothing's really wrong with your shelf or your books, but it'll take you longer to find all the pages of your book so you can read it.

    Defragmenting is like telling the shelf to spend time making sure all of the pages of your books are next to each other, without interruptions or being out of order. Hence the word "contiguous." The performance boosts can be anywhere from not noticeable to huge, depending on how badly it was fragmented and what the computer is used for. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well hell now I know how a computer is organized... I think. Anyways.. its 30% done. Woo! After this I'll do disk cleanup then defragment again, since disk cleanup kept crashing itself. Stupid disk cleanup.
  • HWGuy_in_a_CanHWGuy_in_a_Can Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13397Members
    edited February 2005
    My preferred defragmentation program is <a href='http://www.dirms.com' target='_blank'>Do It Right Microsoft Defragmention program</a>. Works a lot better than the WinXP built-in defragger.
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    Defragged, now I'm running disk cleanup for the very first time... the guys on ventrillo say this is gonna take a couple hours.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    To be honest, I'd say that your best bet is to backup all of your files and format the drive.

    Create one partition for Windows and another for all of your files. Then reinstall Windows, copy your files back, install Diskeeper (Buy it or download a trial version.) and then defragment everything. Then use Diskeeper's scheduler feature and set it to Smart Schedule, to defrag whenever your drive is getting pretty bad. (It'll run as a lowest priority process, so it won't lag you or anything. It'll just use whatever CPU cycles aren't in use.)
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Also, if you wish to keep your drive defragmented without shelling out for expensive disk defrag software or questionable free stuff on the internet, simply go to a CMD prompt and type:

    AT 04:00 /every:t,th,s defrag c:

    This will run a background defrag every tuesday,thursday, and saturday at 4AM. You can adjust the scheduling to taste, AT is pretty self-explanatory.

    Also, the defragger in Windows 2000, XP and 2003 <i>is</i> Executive Diskeeper. Just a 'lite' licensed copy...
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-MonsieurEvil+Feb 5 2005, 11:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Feb 5 2005, 11:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, the defragger in Windows 2000, XP and 2003 <i>is</i> Executive Diskeeper. Just a 'lite' licensed copy... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And an older version, I believe? I'm using version 9.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    True dat. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    Thanks for the replies guys! I reformatted my drive, and since I'm no wizz when it comes to creating partitians, organizing files on my hard drive instead of just dragging them somewhere on my desktop, I'm simply going to defragment after every install, download, or anything that alters my memory, which should keep it clean.

    Thanks for the tips, I'll try out what you said MonsE, I just hope my computer is on when it does that. Unless it turns itself on, which would be wicked awesome...
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-MonsieurEvil+Feb 5 2005, 08:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Feb 5 2005, 08:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> AT 04:00 /every:t,th,s defrag c: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What letter(s) would you use for Sunday? I imagine it would be su, but it would be good to know for sure. Also, how would you get rid of the change after entering it in?
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    AT <blank> or AT <time> no dates or AT <time>/<no dates>

    Not sure though, just throwing out ideas. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    i've never defragged this drive. Would probably take days, i tried it when it was 50% full (it's a 160GB) and it took 15 minutes to reach 1% i wasn't going to wait that long
  • Aries8Aries8 Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10719Members
    I have a shortcut for the defrag on my desktop and whenever I'm at my computer and I'm not actually working on it i usually play around with the icons. Then I see the defrag and just click it to do its thing well I'm reading some pages in a book for the paper I'm writing or if someone just called me on the phone(aka infront of the comp but not using it.) So basically I defrag now like every other day and it only takes like 5-10min. Just thought I'd share...works well for me...plus its satisfying to watch it defrag <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • StewieStewie Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18795Members
    Whenever I defrag I lose free HD space, so I don't like defragging
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Stewie+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stewie)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whenever I defrag I lose free HD space, so I don't like defragging<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Strange, I've never seen that happen.

    The main partition on my hard drive is 80gb, about half full. It shows up as mostly blue and white, with a few slivers of red and one sliver of green. There used to be a few large portions of green, but after defragmenting while running off of a different partition, the green parts no longer show up. I don't know if that's good or bad.
  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    I have nearly half a terabyte of hard drive space, defragging isn't a fun experience for me. What I can't understand is how you were using your computer whilst defragging, every time I try that it complains and crashes on me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    I may give MonsE' lil cmd prompt hax a try though...
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    You call that bad?

    I remember a thread where MonsE posted a picture of a REAL fraqgmented hard drive. Full of them red colour I tells you.

    Good thing you defragged though.

    As for me...well, defragging was never fun for me so meh.
  • RustySpoonRustySpoon Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18069Members
    Damn, never heard of that Diskeeper proggy.

    Seems nifty.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Stewie+Feb 6 2005, 06:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stewie @ Feb 6 2005, 06:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whenever I defrag I lose free HD space, so I don't like defragging <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You DON'T lose free HDD space. It might LOOK like you do because it's moving files around but, in the end, you still have exactly the same amount of hard drive space that you had in the beginning. Following Marik's book example, you're only moving pages around on the shelf, not adding or subtracting more pages.
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