Regarding Specs And Scrims
kavasa
Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11889Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11889Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">harbl</div> Please stop freaking about OMG SPECS THEY MIGHT VENTHAX!!!
There is zero point to ghosting. Even if we had any desire to do it to get cheap wins, which we don't, it wouldn't serve any point. You can't ghost in matches. My clan actually has a roster of 11 active people now, one of whom is a gorge specialist. If we've got seven people, he plays alien round (he is an awesome gorge) and sits marine and it sucks whole arrays of vile and fetid dongs for him to have to leave the server or sit pointlessly in RR for one of the halves.
And - look, why would you even care if you got ghosted in a scrim? "Oh look we lost a scrim to a clan that ghosts because they're complete nubs, and here we are totally punching their nuts and faces in an actual match because we scrimmed for real and they scrimmed with sad crutches for their broken and worthless souls."
Just sayin'.
There is zero point to ghosting. Even if we had any desire to do it to get cheap wins, which we don't, it wouldn't serve any point. You can't ghost in matches. My clan actually has a roster of 11 active people now, one of whom is a gorge specialist. If we've got seven people, he plays alien round (he is an awesome gorge) and sits marine and it sucks whole arrays of vile and fetid dongs for him to have to leave the server or sit pointlessly in RR for one of the halves.
And - look, why would you even care if you got ghosted in a scrim? "Oh look we lost a scrim to a clan that ghosts because they're complete nubs, and here we are totally punching their nuts and faces in an actual match because we scrimmed for real and they scrimmed with sad crutches for their broken and worthless souls."
Just sayin'.
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Look man, all i said in the server was that if you are going to have specs don't be lame about it. I didn't say you COULDN'T have specs, I didn't even ask that they leave. I just said don't be stupid. There was really no good reason for you to get all angsty about it.
he bit my head off in the server about it, and then came here and started a thread about it. I was just trying to chill things out. Not attackin anyone.
Sometimes I do this by accident. I'll F4 and i'll hit the Alien join button (s) as opposed to my Marine join button (a). All in all the Commander or Marines will figure the hive out within the first 15-20 seconds in the game anyways. Maybe they should code that once a round is about to start they cannot change to the other team. Something along those lines ya know.
I don't ever mind.
Apparently not because swiftspear goes pretty much unchecked.
But try having a spectator in a CS scrim. The other team will cry and "kthx" you to death until the spec is gone. Why? They play every scrim like its a CAL finals match. Now its good to have intensity, but to be so egocentric that people would cheat in a scrim ESPECIALLY against a CAL O team, which no one would get status for beating anyway, is really absurd.
That being said, as long as ALL of the players who are playing in the scrim can connect, I see no reason for spectators. I've been spectated 100's of times since I was in my first NS clan. Its really no big deal.
That said:
1. It wasn't me that bagged on you when you guys asked our spec leave for the second half, but our commander, and I PMed the person in your clan that set up the scrim (JoBo I believe) apologizing afterwards.
2. Do you really expect to all but accuse people of ghosting in scrims without them getting at least a little insulted?
This thread is meant exactly as it looks in the OP: to convince clans to stop asking our (and other) specs to leave. For those clans that care about specs in scrims, please stop so caring. I'm not gonna fight about it once both teams have six in the server, it's not worth it, but it's worth a forum thread.
Oh and jmms: we play and lose to delta teams pretty much every night.
newer lower level clans sometimes think of better clans as dirty scripters and we'll take every possible advantage to win..which isnt really true.
the only time you'll here a spec rat on ventrilo is when the game is over and someone is hiding to prolong the game. having a ghost isnt really going to help your team get better therefore nobody does it.
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Sure theres not that much distrust, hence why like the first 3 people I met in the NS competitive community turned out to all be cheaters <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nevermind, I couldn't resist.
No, we're cool man. You're right about everything. Just to be clear we weren't accusing you or asking your specs to leave we were just saying, "don't be stupid." Thats a pretty reasonable thing to have said, I think. Like you said, ghosting would make the scrim stupid, so i was just making sure we were on the same page about it.
GG wnf.
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We did? We changed our strategy every round we played you. Unless squishy was watching my notepad file or hiding in our voice server or something I don't know how he could possibly know what we did.
GGs to you too, I had more fun in last night's scrims than, well, ever, I think.
But try having a spectator in a CS scrim. The other team will cry and "kthx" you to death until the spec is gone. Why? They play every scrim like its a CAL finals match. Now its good to have intensity, but to be so egocentric that people would cheat in a scrim ESPECIALLY against a CAL O team, which no one would get status for beating anyway, is really absurd.
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Slow down, you're making too much sense. Someone send that memo to half of Omega.
Edit: Not the cool half.
wo id love to spec games, but try to find one... :/
If you get in a situation where the other team has spectators and you feel they did something less then legit, I'd encourage you to just not scrim them again. Obviously its frustrating, especially as there aren't a ton of teams to scrim against, but making a scene out of it (especially since you'll never be able to prove anything) is not worth the headache.
If you get in a situation where the other team has spectators and you feel they did something less then legit, I'd encourage you to just not scrim them again. Obviously its frustrating, especially as there aren't a ton of teams to scrim against, but making a scene out of it (especially since you'll never be able to prove anything) is not worth the headache. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're not really getting the point are you?
If a team has someone ghosting to give them information they normally wouldn't have how is that going to help them when they go to play their match where spectators aren't allowed? <b>They are hurting themselves not you</b>, infact they're probably making you play better.
No clan with 1/2 a clue will ghost & any clan who thinks their scrim opponents will are far too paranoid.
Since I started playing in CAL we've had quite a few people spec our scrims, sometimes its someone who we pub with & would like to see how competitive NS is played, sometimes its someone from a clan we respect who has nothing better to do & would like to offer advice to us on how we can improve. These days we've got quite an active roster & find 7 or 8 people online when we scrim so we make Saltz sit out since his connection isn't too good from Switzerland right now which means he can watch what we're doing & tell us what we should have done better or comment on what went well after the round (thats the polite way of saying it).
My point is stop being so paranoid.
Anyone find it ironic that the clans who complain about spectators are invariably the ones who have problems with mp_consistency 1 & have problems with all 6 members running C-D? Why when their opponents turn mp_consistency off & switch C-D to optional do they not complain about cheats & unfair models?
People need to learn scrims & matches aren't the same as pubs. Stop treating them like they are.