<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Nov 17 2004, 04:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Nov 17 2004, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The big problem with newbie-bashing is that only a single mean player on a server can botch the atmosphere and impression of the community as a whole.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Once again the old man hits the nail on the head, this is why EVERYONE should be nice to the new players, they are here to play OUR game, at least let them enjoy it!
<!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Nov 17 2004, 08:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Nov 17 2004, 08:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The larger issue I run into is when questions are asked, I'm always doing something (assaulting a hive, building a critical PG, finishing off a fade) so I can't just put down the mouse to type... So I'm not a jerk, I just look like I'm ignoring him. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> the problem has nothing to do with people <b>not helping</b> and everything to do with people <b>going out of their way to insult new players</b>
those who do not help new players can be segmented into 2 groups: 1) those who do not want to stop what they are doing to help the new person 2) those who stop what they are doing to insult and trash the new person
see the difference?
say what you like about counterstrike's community but the players in counterstrike are mostly of the first variety, while natural selection's is mostly of the latter. people will actually stop playing just to chew out new people
Use voicechat, tell a new player to follow you, and do what you do. You might have to give up on the wigglewalking and such so he can keep up, but you know he'll never just rambo off at least. I've had 3 new players follow me around on origin for an entire game, and between the three of them they actually were useful, and before I left I just pointed them here. I hope they're still playing, I did all I could at least <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
Oh yeah, and tell flamers to shut up. That's always encouraging for a newbie.
I will judge a new player on their spamiveness, their abilities and their teamwork capabilities. I do not flame noobies, I was once a noobie too. I also try to teach beginners to break free of DMS.
So let's start a little campaign to be <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'> NICE </span> to n00bies and <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'> BREAK FREE OF DMS </span>
this game is much more complicated than cs (not saying that our players are more intelligent, cs is a great game and so are most of hte players) but since it has much more of a learning curve you can get frustrated at noobs easier.
lets say NSPlayer is like OMG weapons plz weapnz plzzzzz in mm1 for the whole game. its frustrating. and sometimes i yell at them...
i cant believe i was probably like that once <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I agree, it's the nature of the game and its multiplayer system. - requires a whole bunch of teamwork (as opposed to deathmatch-style FPS games) - has no control over the policies of servers, to control the level of "assholeness" (as opposed to MMORPGs) - has no ladder system to separate newbies from experts (as opposed to Warcraft 3) - is an FPS/RTS, both of which attract impatient gamers, who are quick to anger and may not read the manual (as opposed to roleplaying, adventure, and turn-based strategy gamers)
Worst thing is I reckon there isn't any way we can stop this kind of thing happening. You can't really change the hostile attitude of a some-what angsty nsplayer with a thread in a forum they might not read. D:
It's really a server issue. There's nothing we can realistically do to fix the problem players, but an active and mature admin base can take care of them. That's the only real solution to any of the player-related problems in this game, and this one is no exception.
On GP we dont allow the F-word. This rule comes very handy as immature players usually make fun of the rule and test it. Then they get banned. Proves to be a great idiot filter.
I know I'm reitering what others have said, but still...
1) CS is way easier than NS. You can have a screw up on a CS team and everyone else can pull for him. If you have a goon on an NS team who has enough for hive but doesn't drop it then you could lose a game.
2) CS deathmatches don't even need teamwork
3) Trying to get top of the scoreboard in NS is largely peripheral to gameplay.
These three factors mean an NS game is a scary experience for anyone who messes up, or is PERCEIVED to mess up.
At the same time, this varies on a server to server basis, lots of newbie-friendly servers have rules about going gorge or commander without experience, and thats where new players should be playing.
If you wander onto a top tier server and proceed to mess up then you can expect some serious verbal abuse, tbh its probably deserved since new players aren't meant to be there.
There's a lot of sides to this argument, a lot of grey area, so I hesitate to even suggest that its a black-white sort of situation.
<!--QuoteBegin-Necrosis+Nov 18 2004, 04:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Nov 18 2004, 04:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> These three factors mean an NS game is a scary experience for anyone who messes up, or is PERCEIVED to mess up. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That is very true, the mistake-allowed factor in Natural Selection is a lot more vicious compared to CS. In CS, in a match lets say, you need probably 16 rounds to win and playing maybe around a total of 32 rounds, depending on the leagues. If you lose lets say round 4, it sucks but it's definately not the end of the world of that half. You have two eco rounds, save up cash, regear and try to regain the momentum.
In NS, you lose that 2nd hive while it's building, lose a couple of fades or RTs, pow against a decent team, you're done, game over because they'll tech up faster than you can and they will win. Rarely do comebacks occur though they do, between equally skilled teams.
So mistakes are more glaring in NS, which leads to people who want to win being annoyed for wasting their time. One good thing in NS is that each game doesn't take forever to finish, if it took longer and the mistakes are that glaring, more time is wasted which means more people get ****.
I think with a proper manual, some dedicated guides, and a potential video demonstrating diffirent game types & certain key elements of the game that can't really be explained in a manual would really benifit the new players. I guess this belongs in I&S aswell but I'm sure this has been mentioned before anyways.
<!--QuoteBegin-NolSinkler+Nov 16 2004, 10:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NolSinkler @ Nov 16 2004, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"These people <b>aren't as nice as the people in CS to new people,</b> like me."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <img src='http://img32.exs.cx/img32/3228/omg3.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
what have you people done!? i just dont get how ppl can be such an ****, like when i recently restarted playing CS i said "hey, cool, a shield..." and bam, i get about 8 ppl telling me how **** it is, how im a noob, how much of an idiot i am, and you get the point... have we become <b><i>that bad?</b></i>
Go around on random public servers, and try to persuade alien teammates to go sensory first. Note the general reactions. Then come back here and ask if we're really that different from, "OMG sheildz suck yoo N00B!"
I convinced my friend to play during the 1.04 days on one of the most respectable servers out there. (even Flayra complimented it) He went Gorge on ns_bast (3rd gorge, 2 hives) and started securing atmospheric processing with OCs. His team got incredibly mad at him and demanded he turn back to skulk. Apparently after a minute he started gestating back to skulk and as he was egg the admin slayed him. After he respawned he was slayed again. (two admins?) Anyway, it took me a long time to convince him to try NS again. Even some of my former clanmates didn't believe me when I told them about the incident.
It exists and is almost unavoidable. I think the training map will help alot, as well as a little more understanding from long-time NS players. Feel free to tell people if there is a better way to do things, but don't shove it down their throat and/or get mad at them.
I'd love to believe a map/manual/secret handshake would magically solve the problem, but really its the human element.
As I and others have said, its error and PERCEIVED error. Poor guy can do all the right things and STILL get kicked off a server. All we can do is keep our servers as friendly as possible, tell new players to get a few games under their belt before trying the commchair, ask their teammates about what chamber to drop, etc.
I agree with Crisano about slip ups being critical, and it really is the case on your average NS pub. Its all about one round, there's no "switch teams" rematch, and its not tallied after 5 or so rounds. This makes NS what it is, forcing cooperation for the big win, but at the same time means experienced players are relying on everyone else to pull weight. There's something in the human psyche that makes us want to find a scapegoat and brutalise them. Anyone who slips up, at ALL (and we can get into the realm of the ridiculous where one skulk has more D than K and therefore must automatically suck..) is yelled at by SOMEONE, and once one person has started up you'll find others keen to bounce on the bandwagon.
You, as a player, can help by nipping this in the bud and saying "we were all new once" "tough breaks" or "give them a chance, they're still learning". As an admin, you can help by promoting a newbie friendly environment where games are judged on the enjoyment value rather than the win/loss K/D value.
NS desperately needs some training maps, or something similar. The learning curve is simply too steep. Also, until this changes, NS will never be very popular.
<!--QuoteBegin-IBT+Nov 18 2004, 08:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (IBT @ Nov 18 2004, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what have you people done!? i just dont get how ppl can be such an ****, like when i recently restarted playing CS i said "hey, cool, a shield..." and bam, i get about 8 ppl telling me how **** it is, how im a noob, how much of an idiot i am, and you get the point... have we become <b><i>that bad?</b></i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, definitely. Try going on to an NS server and saying "hey, cool, a sensory..." or "hey, cool, a comm chair..."
SinSpawnHarbinger of SufferingJoin Date: 2002-11-12Member: 8359Members
Random beginner: Hey cool, I'll make a OC at the start of a round so I can get kills to fund the 'Gorges need loving too' need.
NS player: WTH, you coulda made a DC, you are such a noob!
Random beginner: Why didn't you?
NS player: WTH, don't ask me that, I'm going fade you baboon!
Random beginner: ...
lol well that is sorta me (the beginner, besides the building oc part)
I see alot of people just saving for fades with less care for teammates especially does that do make the DCs, never satisfied, I do it out of guilt that our fades are gonna die without DCs...then again its funny to laugh at them for trying to ambush 3 lmgs without any DC upgrade
<!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Nov 17 2004, 06:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Nov 17 2004, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Nov 17 2004, 08:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Nov 17 2004, 08:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The larger issue I run into is when questions are asked, I'm always doing something (assaulting a hive, building a critical PG, finishing off a fade) so I can't just put down the mouse to type... So I'm not a jerk, I just look like I'm ignoring him. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> the problem has nothing to do with people <b>not helping</b> and everything to do with people <b>going out of their way to insult new players</b>
those who do not help new players can be segmented into 2 groups: 1) those who do not want to stop what they are doing to help the new person 2) those who stop what they are doing to insult and trash the new person
see the difference?
say what you like about counterstrike's community but the players in counterstrike are mostly of the first variety, while natural selection's is mostly of the latter. people will actually stop playing just to chew out new people
it's absolutely pathetic <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The irony is so thick I could cut it with a knife.
Well I don't understand what the drama is all about but every every every EVERY TIME I figure out that someone who I can use voicecom to speak with is new or less experienced with NS, I do not shut up until they have their questions answered in full.
Perhaps the manual for the game could be on the main page so when you go in to the Natural Selection site it's right there staring you in the face, or even a downloadable version of the manual?
That might help new players not be so clueless.
Oh yeah and a training map being added would help too.
<!--QuoteBegin-NolSinkler+Nov 17 2004, 02:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NolSinkler @ Nov 17 2004, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I had my brother's friend try NS. He has also played CS with my brother. After a while of playing, you won't believe the nonsense he said...or at least I hope it was nonsense.
"These people <b>aren't as nice as the people in CS to new people,</b> like me."
If this is true what is becoming of the NS community?
I can't believe what I heard <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> this is because atleast 95% of the cs population are complete nubtards, whereas only a meagre 85% of the ns community are complete nubtards. nubtards are friendly cause they will never, ever, say anything bad about you. they wont say anything else mind, but thats more pleasant than say playing as a team not some rambo jackass thats more important than the entire server combined.
I think a training map would be a great idea. I find it a lot easier to learn hands on then from reading a manual. When I started playing, however, I was fortunate to meet the nice experienced players. I have seen a lot of comm bashing though.
<!--QuoteBegin-JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven+Jan 10 2005, 02:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ Jan 10 2005, 02:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Nov 17 2004, 06:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Nov 17 2004, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Nov 17 2004, 08:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Nov 17 2004, 08:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The larger issue I run into is when questions are asked, I'm always doing something (assaulting a hive, building a critical PG, finishing off a fade) so I can't just put down the mouse to type... So I'm not a jerk, I just look like I'm ignoring him. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> the problem has nothing to do with people <b>not helping</b> and everything to do with people <b>going out of their way to insult new players</b>
those who do not help new players can be segmented into 2 groups: 1) those who do not want to stop what they are doing to help the new person 2) those who stop what they are doing to insult and trash the new person
see the difference?
say what you like about counterstrike's community but the players in counterstrike are mostly of the first variety, while natural selection's is mostly of the latter. people will actually stop playing just to chew out new people
it's absolutely pathetic <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The irony is so thick I could cut it with a knife. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think your arms are that strong.
Soul_RiderMod BeanJoin Date: 2004-06-19Member: 29388Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
Yes we were all new once. I was lucky as i was introduced to the game by a friend who was a part of a clan. On their public server was a great community and everyone was there to help the noobs like me and boy did i need some help. I spent the first 3 maps i played as marine being unable to build anything, just because i couldn't get the hang of the angle you had to be looking at the thing at to get it to build. Everyone, and i mean everyone, in that community understood and were very helpful.
There are plenty of servers out there where people create a community and encourage the newcomers, will teach them and guide them, and there are plenty of servers out there which are not noob friendly.
I remember there was an outdated list somewhere on the forum where there were lists of noob friendly servers so people who were learning the game could go. There is also a map in development by Meat Popsicle which is certainly looking to be a great tutorial map.
If these 2 things could be incorporated and actively pushed onto new players, it would greatly help their knowledge of the game, and protect them from unneccesary flack at the stage of the game where people are either gonna love it or hate.
Once they are over that period and they are hooked, flame them as much as you want <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
America's Army had a system in place where until you completed a training course that covered nearly every aspect of basic gameplay, you couldn't play online.
Personally I'd love to see such a thing implemented in NS, but tweak it so it will still allow you to play online, but only allow you to play NS maps until you complete the training (or vice versa, but i fear that will create too many combat noobs in a player population already fraught with them).
The community was more friendly 1.5 years ago because we were all noobs, so we were all having fun. And those 3-4 hour mammoth games on Eclipse and Caged "back in the day" gave you all the practise you needed. But the gameplay has changed these days as games are over so much sooner. And the introduction of Combat has brought in the less desireable members of the FPS playing community (the flaming nubflakes of CS).
being a server admin myself I always find the time to answer a noobs questions, combat or classic. So what if I die in one of the many games i play during a day. If i can steer a newb down the path of righteousness in exchange for a few deaths while wearing HA/HMG/Welder then i'll take it.
I agree that the monotony of the DMS has to go. Too many old players set in their ways, or semi-old players that just bark DMS! over and over because thats what was yelled at them back in the days of Pheromones and the upgradable Hive Sight... i miss my lerk spikes so much. I've played plenty of pubs where a win was made using Sens chambers, but you need the right blend of skillful players and good timing or it all goes to ****.
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Once again the old man hits the nail on the head, this is why EVERYONE should be nice to the new players, they are here to play OUR game, at least let them enjoy it!
$.ohtoo
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PS don't listen to kamikaze, hes a stupid NOOOBIE...
the problem has nothing to do with people <b>not helping</b> and everything to do with people <b>going out of their way to insult new players</b>
those who do not help new players can be segmented into 2 groups:
1) those who do not want to stop what they are doing to help the new person
2) those who stop what they are doing to insult and trash the new person
see the difference?
say what you like about counterstrike's community but the players in counterstrike are mostly of the first variety, while natural selection's is mostly of the latter. people will actually stop playing just to chew out new people
it's absolutely pathetic
I've had 3 new players follow me around on origin for an entire game, and between the three of them they actually were useful, and before I left I just pointed them here. I hope they're still playing, I did all I could at least <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
Oh yeah, and tell flamers to shut up. That's always encouraging for a newbie.
So let's start a little campaign to be <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'> NICE </span> to n00bies and <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'> BREAK FREE OF DMS </span>
<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>FREEEEEEEDOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!</span></b>
it's what happened at the end of brav... awww forget it
this game is much more complicated than cs (not saying that our players are more intelligent, cs is a great game and so are most of hte players) but since it has much more of a learning curve you can get frustrated at noobs easier.
lets say NSPlayer is like OMG weapons plz weapnz plzzzzz in mm1 for the whole game. its frustrating. and sometimes i yell at them...
i cant believe i was probably like that once <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
- requires a whole bunch of teamwork (as opposed to deathmatch-style FPS games)
- has no control over the policies of servers, to control the level of "assholeness" (as opposed to MMORPGs)
- has no ladder system to separate newbies from experts (as opposed to Warcraft 3)
- is an FPS/RTS, both of which attract impatient gamers, who are quick to anger and may not read the manual (as opposed to roleplaying, adventure, and turn-based strategy gamers)
1) CS is way easier than NS. You can have a screw up on a CS team and everyone else can pull for him. If you have a goon on an NS team who has enough for hive but doesn't drop it then you could lose a game.
2) CS deathmatches don't even need teamwork
3) Trying to get top of the scoreboard in NS is largely peripheral to gameplay.
These three factors mean an NS game is a scary experience for anyone who messes up, or is PERCEIVED to mess up.
At the same time, this varies on a server to server basis, lots of newbie-friendly servers have rules about going gorge or commander without experience, and thats where new players should be playing.
If you wander onto a top tier server and proceed to mess up then you can expect some serious verbal abuse, tbh its probably deserved since new players aren't meant to be there.
There's a lot of sides to this argument, a lot of grey area, so I hesitate to even suggest that its a black-white sort of situation.
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That is very true, the mistake-allowed factor in Natural Selection is a lot more vicious compared to CS. In CS, in a match lets say, you need probably 16 rounds to win and playing maybe around a total of 32 rounds, depending on the leagues. If you lose lets say round 4, it sucks but it's definately not the end of the world of that half. You have two eco rounds, save up cash, regear and try to regain the momentum.
In NS, you lose that 2nd hive while it's building, lose a couple of fades or RTs, pow against a decent team, you're done, game over because they'll tech up faster than you can and they will win. Rarely do comebacks occur though they do, between equally skilled teams.
So mistakes are more glaring in NS, which leads to people who want to win being annoyed for wasting their time. One good thing in NS is that each game doesn't take forever to finish, if it took longer and the mistakes are that glaring, more time is wasted which means more people get ****.
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what have you people done!?
i just dont get how ppl can be such an ****, like when i recently restarted playing CS i said "hey, cool, a shield..." and bam, i get about 8 ppl telling me how **** it is, how im a noob, how much of an idiot i am, and you get the point...
have we become <b><i>that bad?</b></i>
Go around on random public servers, and try to persuade alien teammates to go sensory first. Note the general reactions. Then come back here and ask if we're really that different from, "OMG sheildz suck yoo N00B!"
It exists and is almost unavoidable. I think the training map will help alot, as well as a little more understanding from long-time NS players. Feel free to tell people if there is a better way to do things, but don't shove it down their throat and/or get mad at them.
As I and others have said, its error and PERCEIVED error. Poor guy can do all the right things and STILL get kicked off a server. All we can do is keep our servers as friendly as possible, tell new players to get a few games under their belt before trying the commchair, ask their teammates about what chamber to drop, etc.
I agree with Crisano about slip ups being critical, and it really is the case on your average NS pub. Its all about one round, there's no "switch teams" rematch, and its not tallied after 5 or so rounds. This makes NS what it is, forcing cooperation for the big win, but at the same time means experienced players are relying on everyone else to pull weight. There's something in the human psyche that makes us want to find a scapegoat and brutalise them. Anyone who slips up, at ALL (and we can get into the realm of the ridiculous where one skulk has more D than K and therefore must automatically suck..) is yelled at by SOMEONE, and once one person has started up you'll find others keen to bounce on the bandwagon.
You, as a player, can help by nipping this in the bud and saying "we were all new once" "tough breaks" or "give them a chance, they're still learning". As an admin, you can help by promoting a newbie friendly environment where games are judged on the enjoyment value rather than the win/loss K/D value.
i just dont get how ppl can be such an ****, like when i recently restarted playing CS i said "hey, cool, a shield..." and bam, i get about 8 ppl telling me how **** it is, how im a noob, how much of an idiot i am, and you get the point...
have we become <b><i>that bad?</b></i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, definitely. Try going on to an NS server and saying "hey, cool, a sensory..." or "hey, cool, a comm chair..."
NS player: WTH, you coulda made a DC, you are such a noob!
Random beginner: Why didn't you?
NS player: WTH, don't ask me that, I'm going fade you baboon!
Random beginner: ...
lol well that is sorta me (the beginner, besides the building oc part)
I see alot of people just saving for fades with less care for teammates especially does that do make the DCs, never satisfied, I do it out of guilt that our fades are gonna die without DCs...then again its funny to laugh at them for trying to ambush 3 lmgs without any DC upgrade
the problem has nothing to do with people <b>not helping</b> and everything to do with people <b>going out of their way to insult new players</b>
those who do not help new players can be segmented into 2 groups:
1) those who do not want to stop what they are doing to help the new person
2) those who stop what they are doing to insult and trash the new person
see the difference?
say what you like about counterstrike's community but the players in counterstrike are mostly of the first variety, while natural selection's is mostly of the latter. people will actually stop playing just to chew out new people
it's absolutely pathetic <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The irony is so thick I could cut it with a knife.
People like to mute me a lot.
That might help new players not be so clueless.
Oh yeah and a training map being added would help too.
"These people <b>aren't as nice as the people in CS to new people,</b> like me."
If this is true what is becoming of the NS community?
I can't believe what I heard <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
this is because atleast 95% of the cs population are complete nubtards, whereas only a meagre 85% of the ns community are complete nubtards. nubtards are friendly cause they will never, ever, say anything bad about you. they wont say anything else mind, but thats more pleasant than say playing as a team not some rambo jackass thats more important than the entire server combined.
I yell at my nub friends because they mainly cs/dod players and they don't know the difference between a weilder and a shotty.
I still find on random pubs it almost always goes DC, MC, then SC =\
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the problem has nothing to do with people <b>not helping</b> and everything to do with people <b>going out of their way to insult new players</b>
those who do not help new players can be segmented into 2 groups:
1) those who do not want to stop what they are doing to help the new person
2) those who stop what they are doing to insult and trash the new person
see the difference?
say what you like about counterstrike's community but the players in counterstrike are mostly of the first variety, while natural selection's is mostly of the latter. people will actually stop playing just to chew out new people
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I don't think your arms are that strong.
There are plenty of servers out there where people create a community and encourage the newcomers, will teach them and guide them, and there are plenty of servers out there which are not noob friendly.
I remember there was an outdated list somewhere on the forum where there were lists of noob friendly servers so people who were learning the game could go. There is also a map in development by Meat Popsicle which is certainly looking to be a great tutorial map.
If these 2 things could be incorporated and actively pushed onto new players, it would greatly help their knowledge of the game, and protect them from unneccesary flack at the stage of the game where people are either gonna love it or hate.
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Personally I'd love to see such a thing implemented in NS, but tweak it so it will still allow you to play online, but only allow you to play NS maps until you complete the training (or vice versa, but i fear that will create too many combat noobs in a player population already fraught with them).
The community was more friendly 1.5 years ago because we were all noobs, so we were all having fun. And those 3-4 hour mammoth games on Eclipse and Caged "back in the day" gave you all the practise you needed. But the gameplay has changed these days as games are over so much sooner. And the introduction of Combat has brought in the less desireable members of the FPS playing community (the flaming nubflakes of CS).
being a server admin myself I always find the time to answer a noobs questions, combat or classic. So what if I die in one of the many games i play during a day. If i can steer a newb down the path of righteousness in exchange for a few deaths while wearing HA/HMG/Welder then i'll take it.
I agree that the monotony of the DMS has to go. Too many old players set in their ways, or semi-old players that just bark DMS! over and over because thats what was yelled at them back in the days of Pheromones and the upgradable Hive Sight... i miss my lerk spikes so much. I've played plenty of pubs where a win was made using Sens chambers, but you need the right blend of skillful players and good timing or it all goes to ****.
think ill hit post now before i write a book.