I really don't see why there is a need to constantly bring up mp_blockscripts 1 and 0. I must've said about twenty times in my posts that this thread <b>isn't</b> about mp_bs 1 and 0. Yet you keep bringing it up for no apparent reason, I'm actually starting to think that you prefer to derail the topic towards mp_bs 1/0 and griefing instead of talking about the more important issue that we are trying to discuss.
As for griefing, who said we are trying to convince people by griefing? As I remember, it was you who brought up griefing out of the blue, then continued to try to hammer that point home when no one was talking about it. You keep thinking that for some reason we like to grief on servers or something, what evidence do you have that we try to grief on servers? The evidence we brought to light earlier shows what happens when we try to play on public servers when we don't initiate anything. The ones who initiate stuff are usually the ones on the servers. We don't go "Hey look at me! I can aim so much better than you! Ooh ooh, look at me!" So Necrosis, please stop making things up. I've been told by a few regular members of the community you support that you don't even play NS in their community! So actually, it seems like the griefer is <b>you</b>. You keep making up situations of griefing when you weren't even present! If you did not see what happened, you therefore have no justification to make stuff up just to stir up trouble in this thread.
Necrosis, I don't know what you believe, but the majority of pubbers <i>DO NOT</i> know what a script actually does. To them, a script is just like a hack, an unfair advantage that plays the game for you. I think what nadagast and the others are trying to do isn't to ask for mp_bs to be off, but just for the communities to at least be educated on what scripts actually do. I dunno, we could probably fix this if someone from the dev team gives the official green light on scripts; maybe that'll stop people from complaining. Or maybe the actual admins in the server could explain what scripts do in the MOTD, or make some text show up in the RR. But I don't think this is really about admins leaving mp_bs 1 on at all, that would be trying to fix the symptom when we're going for the cause.
<!--QuoteBegin-Necrosis+Nov 12 2004, 03:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Nov 12 2004, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Good players will cope with this and not complain. Bad players will complain, joining servers and deliberately ignoring the rules.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's a pretty big generalization. I mean, your saying is if you don't agree with someone about a very debatable topic then your a bad player? I mean wether blockscripts should be allowed/disallowed isn't very striaght foward and that's why there are topics like this to discuss it. Just people like nada are expressing their feelings/ideas dosen't make them "bad players" or "deliberately ignore rules" does it? Who exactly are you to make these kinda statements anyways? do you run any public servers?
<!--QuoteBegin-jesusfchrist+ Nov 12 2004, 04:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jesusfchrist @ Nov 12 2004, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Necrosis, I don't know what you believe, but the majority of pubbers DO NOT know what a script actually does. To them, a script is just like a hack, an unfair advantage that plays the game for you. I think what nadagast and the others are trying to do isn't to ask for mp_bs to be off, but just for the communities to at least be educated on what scripts actually do. I dunno, we could probably fix this if someone from the dev team gives the official green light on scripts; maybe that'll stop people from complaining. Or maybe the actual admins in the server could explain what scripts do in the MOTD, or make some text show up in the RR. But I don't think this is really about admins leaving mp_bs 1 on at all, that would be trying to fix the symptom when we're going for the cause.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, scripts are an issue but only one of the issues. It's just communication and mutual respect between the two in general, and this is on both ends, both the public community as well as the competitive community. It seems like resentment and disrespect has been fueled on both sides that more often than not, you see the bad blooded interaction between the public community and the competitive one. Scripts are just one of the issues that is fueling the bad blood. And as JFC said, this thread isn't a holy crusade to get all servers to revert back to mp_blockscript 0. We're not trying to force server admins or server owners to change anything on their servers. We are just trying to reach out to them and others in the public community that for the good of the game that we all enjoy and want to see to continue to be successful and fun, we need to work together on this repairable issue.
Ok, I'm listening. Please educate me on why I should allow scripts on my server. I am interested in hearing your point of view. My opinion most likely will not change, not because I am stubborn but because I believe in fair play. Please see my definition of this later on. Personally I haven't heard much of people getting kicked because they were a bad comm, booted from the comm chair, that's usually up to the team. The number one thing to remember about this game, and something which really sets it apart from the others and makes it enjoyable is teamwork. Not solo I can do it. I am happy that you feel that you are the NS God, you may very well be that good. Unfortunately that is the arrogance which most people tend to dislike when it comes to having to work with them as a team. Perhaps that is the reason those types of people are not welcome on the good servers. Of course I stuck that "good servers" part in there just to toot your horn, honestly that is completely opinionative. So play where you like to play, and if you feel that the world is ganging up on you remember. Most of us live in a democracy, where there could very well be 40% of people who disagree with he status-quo, unfortunately there are still that other 60% which remain that deserve to have their opinions enforced before your own. If you feel like President Bush should not have been re-elected much like the rest of the Western world, good. If you do feel so, well (1) if you are an American, then you occupy the smaller size of the pot (2) That is for them to decide how they want their country run, if you dislike, share your opinion but don't expect any changes whatsoever. This is isn't a post about the politics outside of NS so please only view that as a visualization.
Now for my personal definition of airplay. Just as a side note, I believe that if you had the NS team create a set of rules and definitions, perhaps even a vote of sorts from the community to create them, then we would all be happy and live in peace, right Miss Universe? Seriously though, I believe that would be an excellent way to begin. There really needs to be a sort of loose governance for the entire NS community to follow as a guideline. Of course there is no way of enforcement, at least then when people came to complain we could just say: "Please observe voted/adopted policy 196A". We could then guide them to the vote which occurred and they could proceed to halt communications on the topic. I'm not going to lay out a bunch of rules so I am going to stop here.
I believe airplay in a videogame to be using the tools on which the game was designed for and nothing more. NS was designed with a set of coded instructions, not to be altered or have that set of instructions manipulated in any way to the advantage of either side.
I will turn to the example of the commonly known pistol "hack", hardly a hack but beside the point. +attack;-attack;+attack; No problem right. Well no, unless you take into consideration the fact that the NS designers (hopefully) tested a great deal on learning what would be a fair battle between a skulk lvl 0 and a marine lvl 0, let's say in 1v1. Obviously in one foul swoop the skulk would be toast. Will you then tell me that it's fair because the skulk is allowed to do the same thing? Well, sure, but my opinion is simple. It isn't part of the game, it wasn't part of the design (as far as I know), therefore I will not allow it to be a part of my game. (<---Note the period)
-=IF=- the NS team said lets allow for this flaw in our coding structure then, by all means it was meant to be a part of the game. -=IF=- they said let's put preventative measures in then it is quite apparent. Unfortunately they didn't so we don't know their opinions on the matter. And of course some mods make the game better. Of course this is opionative. I believe it is NS Armslab which has their own redesigned spawnning system. This affects both teams and I definitely feel through much experience and observation that this has improved the game. I'm certain that the NS team will probably fix the spawn system.
Unfortunately you've opened a broad topic which can't be solved overnight, or in a post in the same broad fashion, hence the reason most people key the scripting side of things. In all, I am pretty open minded to hear what you have to say. If you feel you can show me that someone who receives a great number of complaints, either via scripts or rambo style antics deserves to take up the slot of a mediocre, yet deserving player then please carry on and do so...
<!--QuoteBegin-rkiefl+Nov 12 2004, 05:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rkiefl @ Nov 12 2004, 05:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seriously though, I believe that would be an excellent way to begin. There really needs to be a sort of loose governance for the entire NS community to follow as a guideline. Of course there is no way of enforcement, at least then when people came to complain we could just say: "Please observe voted/adopted policy 196A". We could then guide them to the vote which occurred and they could proceed to halt communications on the topic. I'm not going to lay out a bunch of rules so I am going to stop here. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thank you for getting this thread back on topic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
More suggestions like this and less fingerpointing and hopefully we'll have another 30 pages of decent discussion.
Necrosis: You just called me a bad player. Something I never did to you and yet you seem to have an elitest aura around you that I am somehow calling myself better than everyone.... Hypocrisy?
An invitation: Let's play some 1v1 Combat and see who the bad player is ok? I really did not want it to degenerate to this point but it seems you're offering horribly inefficient solutions to the problem, which can be solved by just talking, at the same time claiming that anyone who supports me is arrogant/****/elitest/etc. I find it highly hypocritical...
Making 1 server that has bs off won't do anything to affect the general population's views (ex: bs off servers already exist, they don't make players rethink their views). Talking to them and figuring out the problem will (or at least will be a lot more effective).
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 12 2004, 04:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 12 2004, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Necrosis: You just called me a bad player. Something I never did to you and yet you seem to have an elitest aura around you that I am somehow calling myself better than everyone.... Hypocrisy?
An invitation: Let's play some 1v1 Combat and see who the bad player is ok? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If blockscripts is off, nada wins 60-0.
If blockscripts is on, well then there's about a gig of useless .cfgs on nada's HD.
There is no reason why you should allow scripts onto your server if you feel that it creates more problems than helps. However, this thread addresses more of the issue of 'the reasoning behind the usage of mp_bs 1.' For example, if you feel that the people you wish to open your server to are people who likes to enjoy the game in a casual and mildly competitive atmosphere, where skill is not the main focus, then by all means keep your scripts blocked. However, if a discussion about scripts does arrive, it's best to discuss the subject in a meaningful manner. For example, if someone who usually scripts does well on the server begins a heated debate with a regular on your server who detest scripts, it's best to ask the regular why he detest scripts. If he thinks it's like using a hack, it's better to inform the person that scripting isn't a hack, it's accessible to anyone because it's built into the HL engine.
Now, onto the pistol script which is usually at the forefront of the abusive scripts debate. I posted earlier about the pistol script that I don't think a lot of script-haters realize.
The pistol script activates the attack command when you click, and when you unclick. That by itself makes it look like a badly abusive script, I agree. However, when you add in the stuff that devs coded into the game, it turns out that it isn't abusive at all, it's used because people enjoy longevity in their mice as I do. In the past before I joined the competitive scene, I also was without scripts, not that I hate them, just that I didn't understand them or know how to implement them (plus I was too lazy to find out myself). I used regular mouse1 attack and people often ask me if I script, I say no because I don't, some didn't believe me but too bad for them. The developers capped the Rate of Fire of the pistol to a certain degree, so no matter what kind of scripts you use, the pistol can only fire at a certain maximum speed, like skulks bunny hopping. Now, at that time I was able to click super fast much to my mouse and finger's dismay, and shoot the pistol pretty damn fast. When I switched to the script, I found out... nothing changed I didn't get any extra shots in. That is because when I fired the pistol regularly, I was clicking fast enough that the pistol fired when I clicked, but it DIDN'T fire when I unclicked. That is because I was +attacking over the rate of fire for the pistol, therefore the pistol was like 'No, you can't shoot, I am reloading a bullet into the chamber.' Since that time, I've enjoyed a lesser strained game and my mouse loves me for it because I click slower. Also, using the pistol script hasn't made my aim better, I still miss skulks with a full pistol script because I know I'm not the best marine in the world, I'm only above average compared to others like Mustang. So as you can see, after researching about the pistol script, it's not abusive at all, just an option for someone to use, just like hud_fastswitch 1, it makes it so you can game at your convenience.
Now this leads to the topic, doesn't a fast pistol Rate of Fire unbalance the game? Well I'm not sure, playing against good aliens, I don't feel that it's unbalanced. That's up to the developers and playtesters to decide and test out, not the scriptors or anti-scriptors.
On the issue of soloing rambos, I've seen plenty of those in public play as well, I do it myself sometimes. But there is a difference, usually a competitive player solos because either he enjoys the challenge or sometimes, maybe arrogantly, feels that a partner might slow him down or get him killed. There are smart rambos, who can hold a crucial position for the commander till backup arrives, who knows what he's doing, not just wasting the commander's time. Then there are dumb rambos, who just run around blindly without a purpose, there is a difference.
<!--QuoteBegin-rennex+Nov 12 2004, 05:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rennex @ Nov 12 2004, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 12 2004, 04:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 12 2004, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Necrosis: You just called me a bad player. Something I never did to you and yet you seem to have an elitest aura around you that I am somehow calling myself better than everyone.... Hypocrisy?
An invitation: Let's play some 1v1 Combat and see who the bad player is ok? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If blockscripts is off, nada wins 60-0.
If blockscripts is on, well then there's about a gig of useless .cfgs on nada's HD. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Inspector Rennex is on the case! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I really don't see the revelence or need to challenge each other to mortal e-combat though. Necrosis doesn't play NS or rarely does so just ignore his jibes at trying to derail the topic.
<!--QuoteBegin-Necrosis+Nov 12 2004, 03:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Nov 12 2004, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What I think is interesting to consider is this -
If you sit down every admin in the world and explain scripts to them, and they understand their function, then decide to keep bs_1 on, would you be happy?
Effectively thats whats happening in for the bulk of the community. Yet still people feel the need to "educate" them about how scripts work. They probably already know. They made their decision knowing that. There are people who realise how scripts work and at the same time just don't care, because keeping blockscripts on stops a lot of hassle.
Good players will cope with this and not complain. Bad players will complain, joining servers and deliberately ignoring the rules.
This is what the intolerance is about. Accept that a server with blockscripts (or other rules) is run that way for a reason, and if the server is always full then there is obviously a community that prefers that. Hating on them won't help. I don't see how anyone can justify griefing a server. Griefing it because you don't like the rules.. won't help anyone. You wouldn't join a specific game forum just to grief the game, would you? Lets say that I didn't like FF games, I thought they were all dumb and 2D. Do I grief the FF forums? Do I buy an online FF game and proceed to annoy other players (and then claim that I am educating them that their game is dumb)?
No, I stick to the games I like, and if I meet someone in IRC/etc. then I tell them about the games I play. Free flow of information.
What needs to happen is that players respect how people will want different things and instead encourage integration by being decent members on forums, irc, servers, etc so that people will be interested in what they do.
Barging into people's houses and roughing them up with the alleged aim of "showing them how dumb their rules are" would get you arrested IRL and online would make people suspect you were the new myg0t.
Integration, by respecting the other guy's view to do his own thing on his own server, is the way to go. If the problem really is that there are no bs_0 servers then people need to make them, not steal them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The problem is you assume that average players KNOW what a script does, and they don't.
<!--QuoteBegin-rkiefl+Nov 12 2004, 05:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rkiefl @ Nov 12 2004, 05:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, I'm listening. Please educate me on why I should allow scripts on my server. I am interested in hearing your point of view. My opinion most likely will not change, not because I am stubborn but because I believe in fair play. Please see my definition of this later on. Personally I haven't heard much of people getting kicked because they were a bad comm, booted from the comm chair, that's usually up to the team. The number one thing to remember about this game, and something which really sets it apart from the others and makes it enjoyable is teamwork. Not solo I can do it. I am happy that you feel that you are the NS God, you may very well be that good. Unfortunately that is the arrogance which most people tend to dislike when it comes to having to work with them as a team. Perhaps that is the reason those types of people are not welcome on the good servers. Of course I stuck that "good servers" part in there just to toot your horn, honestly that is completely opinionative. So play where you like to play, and if you feel that the world is ganging up on you remember. Most of us live in a democracy, where there could very well be 40% of people who disagree with he status-quo, unfortunately there are still that other 60% which remain that deserve to have their opinions enforced before your own. If you feel like President Bush should not have been re-elected much like the rest of the Western world, good. If you do feel so, well (1) if you are an American, then you occupy the smaller size of the pot (2) That is for them to decide how they want their country run, if you dislike, share your opinion but don't expect any changes whatsoever. This is isn't a post about the politics outside of NS so please only view that as a visualization.
Now for my personal definition of airplay. Just as a side note, I believe that if you had the NS team create a set of rules and definitions, perhaps even a vote of sorts from the community to create them, then we would all be happy and live in peace, right Miss Universe? Seriously though, I believe that would be an excellent way to begin. There really needs to be a sort of loose governance for the entire NS community to follow as a guideline. Of course there is no way of enforcement, at least then when people came to complain we could just say: "Please observe voted/adopted policy 196A". We could then guide them to the vote which occurred and they could proceed to halt communications on the topic. I'm not going to lay out a bunch of rules so I am going to stop here.
I believe airplay in a videogame to be using the tools on which the game was designed for and nothing more. NS was designed with a set of coded instructions, not to be altered or have that set of instructions manipulated in any way to the advantage of either side.
I will turn to the example of the commonly known pistol "hack", hardly a hack but beside the point. +attack;-attack;+attack; No problem right. Well no, unless you take into consideration the fact that the NS designers (hopefully) tested a great deal on learning what would be a fair battle between a skulk lvl 0 and a marine lvl 0, let's say in 1v1. Obviously in one foul swoop the skulk would be toast. Will you then tell me that it's fair because the skulk is allowed to do the same thing? Well, sure, but my opinion is simple. It isn't part of the game, it wasn't part of the design (as far as I know), therefore I will not allow it to be a part of my game. (<---Note the period)
-=IF=- the NS team said lets allow for this flaw in our coding structure then, by all means it was meant to be a part of the game. -=IF=- they said let's put preventative measures in then it is quite apparent. Unfortunately they didn't so we don't know their opinions on the matter. And of course some mods make the game better. Of course this is opionative. I believe it is NS Armslab which has their own redesigned spawnning system. This affects both teams and I definitely feel through much experience and observation that this has improved the game. I'm certain that the NS team will probably fix the spawn system.
Unfortunately you've opened a broad topic which can't be solved overnight, or in a post in the same broad fashion, hence the reason most people key the scripting side of things. In all, I am pretty open minded to hear what you have to say. If you feel you can show me that someone who receives a great number of complaints, either via scripts or rambo style antics deserves to take up the slot of a mediocre, yet deserving player then please carry on and do so... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You should understand that scripts are for convience.
Scripts are also built into the HL engine. They are optional to use. Scripts do not make you insanely more skilled. They are there for convience to allow for different sets of controls.
For example, that pistol "hack" script you mentioned.
Did you realize that I could make the exact same thing in macro format? You can block scripts, but you can't actually stop people from replicating commands as long as they are on a computer.
For example, I could use a _special +jump script which spams jump non-stop. I can't do this on a bs_1 server, but I could use <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84922&view=findpost&p=1326167' target='_blank'>this macro</a> instead on a bs_1 server which does the exact same thing.
Blocking scripts does nothing to prevent what you'd consider cheat yet it prevents geniunely useful aspects of scripting which are harmless or for fun, such as a script which allows me to climb up walls and stops all sounds being made by players.
I've actually talked to Flayra about why he wanted blockscripts put into the game, he did it to get people to stop complaining about scripts. I educated him about scripts and what they could do, but he said it'd still be easier to allow people to block scripts over education alone. This way, no matter what argument comes up, people always have the choice of blocking them.
Of course this really is ignorance, as people choose to ignore what is true over what they want to believe.
Blockscripts does nothing. Blocking scripts is like making drugs illegal; it doesn't actually stop the drugs from being used or aquired, yet it somehow makes the person feel morally right. In this sense there is no rationality for keeping blockscripts.
Blocking scripts, no matter who you are puts you on the level of these ignorant <a href='http://exo.elementsys.com/forum/showthread.php?p=403&posted=1#post403' target='_blank'>kids</a> over here.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you realize that I could make the exact same thing in macro format? You can block scripts, but you can't actually stop people from replicating commands as long as they are on a computer.
For example, I could use a _special +jump script which spams jump non-stop. I can't do this on a bs_1 server, but I could use this macro instead on a bs_1 server which does the exact same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yea, you could use a macro. But using external programs to help you are officially considered as cheating.
OK, this is a better discussion. The clanners wish to educate the public about the use of scripts, that's fine with me. But that also implies that after being educated, if these server admins wish to keep mp_bs on, then those "educators" must respect this decision.
<!--QuoteBegin-crypt+Nov 12 2004, 06:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (crypt @ Nov 12 2004, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you realize that I could make the exact same thing in macro format? You can block scripts, but you can't actually stop people from replicating commands as long as they are on a computer.
For example, I could use a _special +jump script which spams jump non-stop. I can't do this on a bs_1 server, but I could use this macro instead on a bs_1 server which does the exact same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yea, you could use a macro. But using external programs to help you are officially considered as cheating. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you are already considered cheating if you use a 3jump/pistol/leeeep-script. so, what's the difference? (not that i would ever need a macro)
<!--QuoteBegin-john_sheu+Nov 12 2004, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (john_sheu @ Nov 12 2004, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OK, this is a better discussion. The clanners wish to educate the public about the use of scripts, that's fine with me. But that also implies that after being educated, if these server admins wish to keep mp_bs on, then those "educators" must respect this decision.
Can we agree on that? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> it has been agreed, on every page at least once. now, feel free to ask something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-john_sheu+Nov 12 2004, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (john_sheu @ Nov 12 2004, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OK, this is a better discussion. The clanners wish to educate the public about the use of scripts, that's fine with me. But that also implies that after being educated, if these server admins wish to keep mp_bs on, then those "educators" must respect this decision.
Can we agree on that? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes as long as you don't blatantly ignore evidence (like you guys did at the G4B2S forums).
You might as well drop everything you think you know about scripts and start fresh.
Just FYI, I don't support _special scripts so ignore what forlorn said about macros... besides it will be gone next patch anyway. 3jump is fair.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 12 2004, 06:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 12 2004, 06:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes as long as you don't blatantly ignore evidence (like you guys did at the G4B2S forums). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is exactly what I mean by the arrogance. We looked at the evidence but decided otherwise. So you're saying, until we come to the conclusion that you espouse, we cannot be truly enlightened?
<!--QuoteBegin-john_sheu+Nov 12 2004, 07:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (john_sheu @ Nov 12 2004, 07:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 12 2004, 06:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 12 2004, 06:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes as long as you don't blatantly ignore evidence (like you guys did at the G4B2S forums). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is exactly what I mean by the arrogance. We looked at the evidence but decided otherwise. So you're saying, until we come to the conclusion that you espouse, we cannot be truly enlightened? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> gah. no he is not saying that.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Nov 12 2004, 07:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Nov 12 2004, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just FYI, I don't support _special scripts so ignore what forlorn said about macros... besides it will be gone next patch anyway. 3jump is fair. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It doesn't matter what you consider, the point is you can't block harmless functions such as scripts. They are built into your computer.
Macro's are not "external programs" as in the same sense as cheats.
A macro never touches the memory of hl.exe, so that allusion is moot.
You should've stuck with the "Blockscripts doesn't stop hackers, just convenient scripts," defense <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Okay I'm going to break this down into three sections for simple referance, not to segregate or stereotype.
1)the community for scripting 2)the community agaisnt scripting 3)the neutral community
Now, the purpose of this thread was to have each community come to a resolution, not to debate wether or not scripting should or shouldn't be illegal. However, I'm going to attempt to open a little ground. So, the community for scripting is made up of those who are knowledable of scripting and know the fuctions and boundaires. The community agaisnt scripting is a) knowledgeable about scripting, knows how they function, etc. but choses not to script because they feel it gives them an unfair advantage. or b) has been mis-informed about scripting and believes they have functions that make them unfair. Now, the neutral community is those players who really have no clue what scripts are or have vague idea about them but don't care to side with one or another.
What the problem is now, is that each community beleives that they are right. But how do you prove that? evidence. Which is exactly what Nadagast was trying to get whoever it may be to prove to him that scripts are in fact maliscious.
This is where there is conflict. When everyone thinks they are right, and aren't willing to listen to each other. I don't think that this, as a whole can of course fix anything, but I think it open a few peoples minds to certain aspects of the game & community that before was un-thought of. I think the only way things will ever get better and there will be unitiy is if people take the time to listen and learn from one'an other...that and there needs to be a release of an really extensive manual attached with the final release that explains everything concerning the game.
I agree with nadagast on EVERY point he made about blockscripts
So few pubbers actually understand the limitations of scripts, and many have even compared to hacks..if I ever here that Id have to strangle someone..im sorry
The difference scripts actually make to a player is negligible, and I guarantee you without scripts preety much all of us will kill you just the same
As has already been said..the only reason for scripting is conveinence...why would I want to hit f2 and then type exec alienconfig2.cfg everytime i go onto aliens when I can comebine the two in a script?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for griefing, who said we are trying to convince people by griefing <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Breaking rules on a server, then telling the admin the rules are dumb = griefing.
Seen several people do it, people who should really know better.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The evidence we brought to light earlier shows what happens when we try to play on public servers when we don't initiate anything <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, the evidence brought to light shows several forums belonging to server communities where they got griefed for daring have their own opinion of how to run the server they pay for. And they're still being "named and shamed" for it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've been told by a few regular members of the community you support that you don't even play NS in their community! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Meaning? I can't get into the server when its full? I live in a different timezone and don't feel like gaming at 3am because I have to get up for work at 7? Your point is?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you did not see what happened, you therefore have no justification to make stuff up just to stir up trouble in this thread. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I find it laughable that someone would try to support a "I didn't see it so it never happened" viewpoint. That sort of sheer denial of reality is the way to end up disrespected by most other people.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We are just trying to reach out to them and others in the public community that for the good of the game that we all enjoy and want to see to continue to be successful and fun, we need to work together on this repairable issue. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ramraiding their forums and continually making derogatory comments about their playerbase is not going to help you in this endeavour.
Nad -
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Necrosis: You just called me a bad player <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe I said
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Bad players will complain, joining servers and deliberately ignoring the rules. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now, if you think that you are a person who joins servers and deliberately ignores the rules, then yes I consider you to be a bad player. In fact, I believe most players would consider a flagrant and persistent rulebreaker to be a bad player.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> An invitation: Let's play some 1v1 Combat and see who the bad player is ok? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A smacktard at the top of the scoreboard is still a smacktard, I think you'll agree. Please don't confuse "bad player" with "unable to play the game". A bad player is one who destroys the gaming experience for others. I have NOT stated that you are a bad player, so don't attempt to take that line. However, if you openly admit that you join servers just to grief their "dumb rules" then yes I would call you a bad player and again I think the bulk of the community would too.
This is the maturity that comes with age, the maturity that also tells me that when I beat you it'd still amount to nothing.
Back to Cris -
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> However, if a discussion about scripts does arrive, it's best to discuss the subject in a meaningful manner <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wholeheartedly agree, but I'm grounded in reality too much to believe that most admins really have the time to wade through a 34 page thread whenever the subject arises. Second, such arguments are going to end up circular, especially when an admin has made up his mind despite any additional evidence. Consider -
"Your rules are dumb" My house my rules, if you don't like them then you're free to play else where *locked*
Or a more polite version
"I disagree with your rules. Scripts are harmless" Maybe, but on this server they're blocked. "I disagree, they're harmless, here's what they do" I know that but on this server they're blocked "How can you say that? They're harmless, you should allow them" I know but on my server they're blocked "Your server sucks then, you obviously don't know how they work" Kthxbai *locked*
Most people can see where those threads go and just nip them in the bud. Most admins will leave them locked and not deleted, but still that won't satisfy some.
Amp -
Yes I assume but thats because the bulk of players I meet are aware of scripts, having came to NS from a variety of other games (JK, Quake, other HL mods) and have experience with that sort of thing. Rarely do you meet someone entirely new to games who happens to wander into a mod for an engine which is nearing its end. If we were playing a new release then I'd be inclined to suspect we have totally new players, but tbh a lot of us playing are old hands.
Forlorn -
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've actually talked to Flayra about why he wanted blockscripts put into the game, he did it to get people to stop complaining about scripts. I educated him about scripts and what they could do, but he said it'd still be easier to allow people to block scripts over education alone <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And thats the attitude most admins are going to take. So much easier to blockscripts and cut out a lot of unnecessary abuse. Likewise it'd be so much easier for people to make a few script servers as a good example to interested players. And again likewise that its easier to ban people than try and teach them that rules are good.
Nice link Forlorn, banned for disrespecting another player. Yes if you have the condump feel free to pm me it, tbh I can see enough in the little bit you posted to see the potential for an "attitude problem".
Also thanks for another example of "naming and shaming", I find it sad and depressing that a player feels the need to carry an e-grudge just because someone didn't like them.
Nad -
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (john_sheu @ Nov 12 2004, 06:46 PM) OK, this is a better discussion. The clanners wish to educate the public about the use of scripts, that's fine with me. But that also implies that after being educated, if these server admins wish to keep mp_bs on, then those "educators" must respect this decision.
Can we agree on that? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
followed by
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes as long as you don't blatantly ignore evidence (like you guys did at the G4B2S forums). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So how do we then clarify "blatantly ignoring evidence". Not taking time for a 30 page thread which will amount to "I am the admin, I disagree with you, you may respect that and play here or you may go away"? Having the admin change his server?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The difference scripts actually make to a player is negligible, and I guarantee you without scripts preety much all of us will kill you just the same <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So whats the problem? Play like everyone else on the bs_1 servers, play like everyone else on the bs_0 servers. If there's not enough bs_0 servers, make some.
BTW its only making me laugh more and more that its got to the point where e-duels and "you don't live your life in an NS server" comments are starting to replace any attempt at debate.
<!--QuoteBegin-Hellabean+Nov 13 2004, 12:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hellabean @ Nov 13 2004, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree with nadagast on EVERY point he made about blockscripts
So few pubbers actually understand the limitations of scripts, and many have even compared to hacks..if I ever here that Id have to strangle someone..im sorry
The difference scripts actually make to a player is negligible, and I guarantee you without scripts preety much all of us will kill you just the same
As has already been said..the only reason for scripting is conveinence...why would I want to hit f2 and then type exec alienconfig2.cfg everytime i go onto aliens when I can comebine the two in a script? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See, that's my point. I'm for scripts, but so many people trying to "educate" use examples like that. Simply put, 3jump scripts do help you bunnyhop, and iwthout it or binding mousewheel to jump you wouldn't be able to do it as well, or would at least need to learn it.
I'm not saying that it's wrong, but at least admit that it really does help and isn't just for "convinience". Pistol script, same thing. Press mouse1 as fast as you can, and it will double the time for you.
Again, I have both of those scripts and I like using them, but I know that I'd do those things worse without them.
<!--QuoteBegin-Necrosis+Nov 13 2004, 05:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Nov 13 2004, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is the maturity that comes with age, the maturity that also tells me that <b>when I beat you</b> it'd still amount to nothing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> OH PLEASE back that up. Let's play some 1v1 Combat tonight. I'll record a demo and post it here when you beat me. Seriously. My clan has a private server I can play you on. PM me (here or on IRC) or reply here so that you can embarass me and beat me.
Your entire argument is based on something that I think we can both agree is wrong... If I want to educate a community I don't make 1 server out of 500 that will promote my idea, and that many people will dismiss outright (not play on) or not even care if mp_bs is on or off (many of the pubbers). I do it by making a thread and talking to the people. It's cheaper, faster, and more productive. Saying "go make 1 server out of 500+ to change everyone's mind" is like saying "if you don't like Bush, run for president yourself!" Seriously.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So how do we then clarify "blatantly ignoring evidence". Not taking time for a 30 page thread which will amount to "I am the admin, I disagree with you, you may respect that and play here or you may go away"? Having the admin change his server?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Read the G4B2S link I posted. This is how I can tell they are ignoring evidence: I explained to them exactly what a 3jump did and they replied with the same old arguments that they used 3 pages before on the thread, which were invalidated by my post. It's not because they don't agree with me that I say they ignore the evidence, it's because they reply with the same old (wrong) excuses. If they had read my post, and come up with a real/valid objection to it that would be fine, but they didn't. They just kept spitting out "scripts do stuff for you."
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And thats the attitude most admins are going to take. So much easier to blockscripts and cut out a lot of unnecessary abuse. Likewise it'd be so much easier for people to make a few script servers as a good example to interested players. And again likewise that its easier to ban people than try and teach them that rules are good.
Nice link Forlorn, banned for disrespecting another player. Yes if you have the condump feel free to pm me it, tbh I can see enough in the little bit you posted to see the potential for an "attitude problem".
Also thanks for another example of "naming and shaming", I find it sad and depressing that a player feels the need to carry an e-grudge just because someone didn't like them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Judge killed darkdragon with bitegun -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Terror - Judge with machinegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed sci* Forlorn-Au with shotgun -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed Dana is a Butt with shotgun -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed Terror - Judge with shotgun Dana is a Butt killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun crazymofo killed Dana is a Butt with machinegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipeDana is a Butt killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with bitegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe Visit our home at www.clanexo.net sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with swipe crazymofo killed Terror - Judge with shotgun sci* Forlorn-A killed crazymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe Dana is a Butt killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with bite2gun sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au kille darkdragon with swipe Terror - Judge killed crazymofo with claws Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Dana is a Butt with machinegun Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with claws Dana is a Butt dropped -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed Terror - Judge with shotgun - Dana is a Butt has left the game sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe E.T. has joined the game E.T. has joined the game sci* Folorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe Terror - Judge killed crazymofo with claws Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws Terror -Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws Terror - Judge killed crazymofo with claws -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed E.T. with shotgun sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe crazymofo killed Terror - Judge with shotgun sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe eXo Elite X Operations sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killeddarkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe <PNK> Loresh dropped sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun E.T. killed crazymofo with bitegun Shadowfax|no sound dropped Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws pandas | Jojoshua dropped Shadowfax|no sound has joined the game Shadowfax|no sound has joined the game crazymofo killed Terror - Judge with heavymachinegun sci* Forlorn-u killed crazymofo with swipe Welcome to the Elite X Operations Clanserver -- <a href='http://exo.elementsys.com' target='_blank'>http://exo.elementsys.com</a> sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe E.T. killed darkdragon with parasite sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws sci* Forlorn-Au killd crazymofo with swipe -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| dropped Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws - -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| has left the game sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe pandas | Jojoshua has joined the game pandas | Jojoshua has joined the game sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-A killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe Terror - Judge killed pandas | Jojoshua with claws sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au kiled Shadowfax|no sound with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed E.T. with heavymachinegun Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws Terror - Judge killed pandas | Jojoshua with claws Terror - Judge killed Shadowfax|no sound with claws sci* Forlorn-Au: btw Terror - Judge killed crazymofo with claws Visit our home t www.clanexo.net Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws E.T.: sh!t <b>sci* Forlorn-Au: that buddy of yours who took a demo of me sci* Forlorn-Au: am I gonna get banned now? -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: yeah -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: prolly[</b> sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au: why I'm not hacking thou? sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe Terror - Judge killed Shadowfax|no sound with claws -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: he sed soemthing with yer energy was ci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| has joined the game -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| has joined the game Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws Terror - Judge killed Shadowfax|no sound with claws sci* Forlorn-Au: no it wasn't sci* Forlorn-Au: it was good energy managment sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe -|eXo|-Cphiros |nG|: lol sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: i watch u -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: u have never run outa energy E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun E.T. killed crazymofo with bitegun -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: yer always blinking sci* Forlorn-Au: yeah so what? Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws sci* Forlorn-Au: it's easy to do Terror - Judge killed Shadowfax|no sound with claws sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au killed craymofo with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au: i can teach anyone sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with swipe -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: -_- sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe sci* Forlorn-Au: it's not an energy hack ** Stop flooding the server! (TEAM) sci* Forlorn-Au: Move out of my way please! pandas | Jojoshua killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun (TEAM) sci* Forlorn-Au: Move out of my way pease! darkdragon killed Terror - Judge with machinegun -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed darkdragon with bitegun pandas | Jojoshua killed crazymofo with machinegun eXo Elite X Operations pandas | Jojoshua killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun E.T. killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with machinegun -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed darkdragon with bitegun E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun <PNK> Loresh has joined the game <PNK> Loresh has joined the game -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Shadowfax|no sound wth bitegun E.T. killed crazymofo with machinegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun E.T. killed Terror - Judge with machinegun Shadowfax|no sound killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with machinegun NSPlayer dropped sci* Forlorn-Au killed E.T. with bitegun -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: thats pretty obvious Gekko}101{ dropped E.T.: sh!t E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed E.T. with bitegun E.T. killed crazymofo with machinegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed E.T. with bitegn pandas | Jojoshua killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun <PNK> Loresh killed Terror - Judge with machinegun NSPlayer has joined the game NSPlayer has joined the game <PNK> Loresh killed sci* Forlorn-Au with pistol pandas | Jojoshua killed Terror - Judge with shotgun -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun darkdragon killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun crazymofo killed darkdragon with bitegun pandas | Jojoshua kiled sci* Forlorn-Au with shotgun <PNK> Loresh killed crazymofo with machinegun E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with pistol Terror - Judge killed <PNK> Loresh with bitegun LuLu has joined the game LuLu has joined the game Gekko}101{ has joined the game Gekko}101{ has joined the game E.T. killed sci* Forlorn-Au with pistol pandas | Jojoshua killed LuLu with shotgun E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with pistol crazymofo killed <PNK> Loresh with bitegun E.T. killed crazymofo with pistol sci* Forlorn-Au kiled Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun pandas | Jojoshua killed sci* Forlorn-Au with shotgun pandas | Jojoshua killed Gekko}101{ with shotgun sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun NSPlayer killed Terror - Judge with machinegun E.T. killed crazymofo with pistol darkdragon killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun darkdragon killed Gekko}101{ with shotgun sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe <PNK> Loresh killed LuLu with shotgun crazymofo killed NSPlayer with bitegun Gekko}101{ dropped sc* Forlorn-Au killed <PNK> Loresh with swipe - Gekko}101{ has left the game sci* Forlorn-Au killed E.T. with swipe Terror - Judge killed NSPlayer with bitegun NSPlayer killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with item_mine Visit our home at www.clanexo.net <PNK> Loresh killed LuLu with shotgun Shadowfax|no sound killed sci* Forlorn-Au with shotgun E.T. killed crazymofo with pistol It's time to choose the nextmap... E.T. killed Terror - Judge with pistol Terror - Judge dropped pandas | Jojoshua: gg "amx_nextmap" change to "co_daimos" - Terror - Judge has left the game sci* Forlorn-Au: gg no gorge E.T.: PISTOL WHIP!!!!!!!!! Choosing finished. The nextmap will be co_daimos -|eXo|-X-Zero|nG|-R has joined the game -|eXo|-X-Zero|nG|-R has joined the game first time playing dropped crazymofo dropped - crazymofo has left the game sci* Forlorn-Au killed LuLu with bitegun SeaZ killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun crazymofo has joined the game crazymofo has joined the game }v{ichigan }v{afia dropped pandas | Jojoshua killd E.T. with machinegun -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed SeaZ with bitegun first time playing has joined the game first time playing has joined the game -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed LuLu with bitegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun pandas | Jojoshua killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun pandas | Jojoshua killed <PNK> Loresh with machinegun E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun SeaZ killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun E.T. killed darkdragon with bitegun crazymofo killed SeaZ ith bitegun LuLu killed crazymofo with machinegun NSPlayer killed first time playing with machinegun E.T. killed NSPlayer with bitegun }v{ichigan }v{afia has joined the game }v{ichigan }v{afia has joined the game <PNK> Loresh killed Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun pandas | Jojoshua killed <PNK> Loresh with machinegun LuLu killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun }v{ichigan }v{afia dropped darkdragon killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun NSPlayer killed crazymofo with machinegun AnhyeuEm dropped -|eX|-Cephiros |nG|: lol sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun - }v{ichigan }v{afia has left the game Welcome to the Elite X Operations Clanserver -- <a href='http://exo.elementsys.com' target='_blank'>http://exo.elementsys.com</a> sci* Forlorn-Au killed SeaZ with bitegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed LuLu with bitegun Shadowfax|no sound killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with pistol pandas | Jojoshua killed E.T. with machinegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed NSPlayer with bitegun }v{ichigan }v{afia has joined the game }v{ichigan }v{afia has joined the game sci* Forlor-Au killed LuLu with bitegun NSPlayer killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun pandas | Jojoshua killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun E.T. killed darkdragon with bitegun E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun AnhyeuEm has joined the game AnhyeuEm has joined the game Shadowfax|no sound killed first time playing with machinegun meb has joined the game meb has joined the game E.T. killed Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun eXo Elite X Operations sci* Forlorn-Au killed NSPlayer with swipe -|eXo|-Cephiros|nG| killed }v{ichigan }v{afia with bitegun sci* Forlorn-Au killed SeaZ with swipe pandas | Jojoshua killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun pandas | Jojoshua killed E.T. with shotgun <PNK> Loresh killed AnhyeuEm with bitegun SeaZ killed crazymofo with item_mine The server operator has added you to banned list Added to banned list You have been banned from this server.
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I bolded the part where I started up a conversation
This happens to me all the time, I get banned for getting too many kills or something, no I was not deliberately spawn camping I was killing the chair in the process
Please point to me where I was talking trash
Also please point to me why a PT on that server (Jojoshua and NSGuide leader) did nothing to educate anyone
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Not that that's a bannable offense, especially since no one said anything to you prior to that "you're gonna get banned" thing.
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Necro, stop pretending that pub admins KNOW what scripts are/do, THEY DONT, AND WE HAVE PROOF. Open your eyes and stop using that argument over and over.
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As for griefing, who said we are trying to convince people by griefing? As I remember, it was you who brought up griefing out of the blue, then continued to try to hammer that point home when no one was talking about it. You keep thinking that for some reason we like to grief on servers or something, what evidence do you have that we try to grief on servers? The evidence we brought to light earlier shows what happens when we try to play on public servers when we don't initiate anything. The ones who initiate stuff are usually the ones on the servers. We don't go "Hey look at me! I can aim so much better than you! Ooh ooh, look at me!" So Necrosis, please stop making things up. I've been told by a few regular members of the community you support that you don't even play NS in their community! So actually, it seems like the griefer is <b>you</b>. You keep making up situations of griefing when you weren't even present! If you did not see what happened, you therefore have no justification to make stuff up just to stir up trouble in this thread.
Bad players will complain, joining servers and deliberately ignoring the rules.
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That's a pretty big generalization. I mean, your saying is if you don't agree with someone about a very debatable topic then your a bad player? I mean wether blockscripts should be allowed/disallowed isn't very striaght foward and that's why there are topics like this to discuss it. Just people like nada are expressing their feelings/ideas dosen't make them "bad players" or "deliberately ignore rules" does it?
Who exactly are you to make these kinda statements anyways? do you run any public servers?
Yes, scripts are an issue but only one of the issues. It's just communication and mutual respect between the two in general, and this is on both ends, both the public community as well as the competitive community. It seems like resentment and disrespect has been fueled on both sides that more often than not, you see the bad blooded interaction between the public community and the competitive one. Scripts are just one of the issues that is fueling the bad blood. And as JFC said, this thread isn't a holy crusade to get all servers to revert back to mp_blockscript 0. We're not trying to force server admins or server owners to change anything on their servers. We are just trying to reach out to them and others in the public community that for the good of the game that we all enjoy and want to see to continue to be successful and fun, we need to work together on this repairable issue.
Now for my personal definition of airplay. Just as a side note, I believe that if you had the NS team create a set of rules and definitions, perhaps even a vote of sorts from the community to create them, then we would all be happy and live in peace, right Miss Universe? Seriously though, I believe that would be an excellent way to begin. There really needs to be a sort of loose governance for the entire NS community to follow as a guideline. Of course there is no way of enforcement, at least then when people came to complain we could just say: "Please observe voted/adopted policy 196A". We could then guide them to the vote which occurred and they could proceed to halt communications on the topic. I'm not going to lay out a bunch of rules so I am going to stop here.
I believe airplay in a videogame to be using the tools on which the game was designed for and nothing more. NS was designed with a set of coded instructions, not to be altered or have that set of instructions manipulated in any way to the advantage of either side.
I will turn to the example of the commonly known pistol "hack", hardly a hack but beside the point. +attack;-attack;+attack; No problem right. Well no, unless you take into consideration the fact that the NS designers (hopefully) tested a great deal on learning what would be a fair battle between a skulk lvl 0 and a marine lvl 0, let's say in 1v1. Obviously in one foul swoop the skulk would be toast. Will you then tell me that it's fair because the skulk is allowed to do the same thing? Well, sure, but my opinion is simple. It isn't part of the game, it wasn't part of the design (as far as I know), therefore I will not allow it to be a part of my game. (<---Note the period)
-=IF=- the NS team said lets allow for this flaw in our coding structure then, by all means it was meant to be a part of the game. -=IF=- they said let's put preventative measures in then it is quite apparent. Unfortunately they didn't so we don't know their opinions on the matter. And of course some mods make the game better. Of course this is opionative. I believe it is NS Armslab which has their own redesigned spawnning system. This affects both teams and I definitely feel through much experience and observation that this has improved the game. I'm certain that the NS team will probably fix the spawn system.
Unfortunately you've opened a broad topic which can't be solved overnight, or in a post in the same broad fashion, hence the reason most people key the scripting side of things. In all, I am pretty open minded to hear what you have to say. If you feel you can show me that someone who receives a great number of complaints, either via scripts or rambo style antics deserves to take up the slot of a mediocre, yet deserving player then please carry on and do so...
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More suggestions like this and less fingerpointing and hopefully we'll have another 30 pages of decent discussion.
An invitation: Let's play some 1v1 Combat and see who the bad player is ok? I really did not want it to degenerate to this point but it seems you're offering horribly inefficient solutions to the problem, which can be solved by just talking, at the same time claiming that anyone who supports me is arrogant/****/elitest/etc. I find it highly hypocritical...
Making 1 server that has bs off won't do anything to affect the general population's views (ex: bs off servers already exist, they don't make players rethink their views). Talking to them and figuring out the problem will (or at least will be a lot more effective).
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If blockscripts is off, nada wins 60-0.
If blockscripts is on, well then there's about a gig of useless .cfgs on nada's HD.
Now, onto the pistol script which is usually at the forefront of the abusive scripts debate. I posted earlier about the pistol script that I don't think a lot of script-haters realize.
The pistol script activates the attack command when you click, and when you unclick. That by itself makes it look like a badly abusive script, I agree. However, when you add in the stuff that devs coded into the game, it turns out that it isn't abusive at all, it's used because people enjoy longevity in their mice as I do. In the past before I joined the competitive scene, I also was without scripts, not that I hate them, just that I didn't understand them or know how to implement them (plus I was too lazy to find out myself). I used regular mouse1 attack and people often ask me if I script, I say no because I don't, some didn't believe me but too bad for them. The developers capped the Rate of Fire of the pistol to a certain degree, so no matter what kind of scripts you use, the pistol can only fire at a certain maximum speed, like skulks bunny hopping. Now, at that time I was able to click super fast much to my mouse and finger's dismay, and shoot the pistol pretty damn fast. When I switched to the script, I found out... nothing changed I didn't get any extra shots in. That is because when I fired the pistol regularly, I was clicking fast enough that the pistol fired when I clicked, but it DIDN'T fire when I unclicked. That is because I was +attacking over the rate of fire for the pistol, therefore the pistol was like 'No, you can't shoot, I am reloading a bullet into the chamber.' Since that time, I've enjoyed a lesser strained game and my mouse loves me for it because I click slower. Also, using the pistol script hasn't made my aim better, I still miss skulks with a full pistol script because I know I'm not the best marine in the world, I'm only above average compared to others like Mustang. So as you can see, after researching about the pistol script, it's not abusive at all, just an option for someone to use, just like hud_fastswitch 1, it makes it so you can game at your convenience.
Now this leads to the topic, doesn't a fast pistol Rate of Fire unbalance the game? Well I'm not sure, playing against good aliens, I don't feel that it's unbalanced. That's up to the developers and playtesters to decide and test out, not the scriptors or anti-scriptors.
On the issue of soloing rambos, I've seen plenty of those in public play as well, I do it myself sometimes. But there is a difference, usually a competitive player solos because either he enjoys the challenge or sometimes, maybe arrogantly, feels that a partner might slow him down or get him killed. There are smart rambos, who can hold a crucial position for the commander till backup arrives, who knows what he's doing, not just wasting the commander's time. Then there are dumb rambos, who just run around blindly without a purpose, there is a difference.
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If blockscripts is off, nada wins 60-0.
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I really don't see the revelence or need to challenge each other to mortal e-combat though. Necrosis doesn't play NS or rarely does so just ignore his jibes at trying to derail the topic.
If you sit down every admin in the world and explain scripts to them, and they understand their function, then decide to keep bs_1 on, would you be happy?
Effectively thats whats happening in for the bulk of the community. Yet still people feel the need to "educate" them about how scripts work. They probably already know. They made their decision knowing that. There are people who realise how scripts work and at the same time just don't care, because keeping blockscripts on stops a lot of hassle.
Good players will cope with this and not complain.
Bad players will complain, joining servers and deliberately ignoring the rules.
This is what the intolerance is about. Accept that a server with blockscripts (or other rules) is run that way for a reason, and if the server is always full then there is obviously a community that prefers that. Hating on them won't help. I don't see how anyone can justify griefing a server. Griefing it because you don't like the rules.. won't help anyone. You wouldn't join a specific game forum just to grief the game, would you? Lets say that I didn't like FF games, I thought they were all dumb and 2D. Do I grief the FF forums? Do I buy an online FF game and proceed to annoy other players (and then claim that I am educating them that their game is dumb)?
No, I stick to the games I like, and if I meet someone in IRC/etc. then I tell them about the games I play. Free flow of information.
What needs to happen is that players respect how people will want different things and instead encourage integration by being decent members on forums, irc, servers, etc so that people will be interested in what they do.
Barging into people's houses and roughing them up with the alleged aim of "showing them how dumb their rules are" would get you arrested IRL and online would make people suspect you were the new myg0t.
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The problem is you assume that average players KNOW what a script does, and they don't.
Now for my personal definition of airplay. Just as a side note, I believe that if you had the NS team create a set of rules and definitions, perhaps even a vote of sorts from the community to create them, then we would all be happy and live in peace, right Miss Universe? Seriously though, I believe that would be an excellent way to begin. There really needs to be a sort of loose governance for the entire NS community to follow as a guideline. Of course there is no way of enforcement, at least then when people came to complain we could just say: "Please observe voted/adopted policy 196A". We could then guide them to the vote which occurred and they could proceed to halt communications on the topic. I'm not going to lay out a bunch of rules so I am going to stop here.
I believe airplay in a videogame to be using the tools on which the game was designed for and nothing more. NS was designed with a set of coded instructions, not to be altered or have that set of instructions manipulated in any way to the advantage of either side.
I will turn to the example of the commonly known pistol "hack", hardly a hack but beside the point. +attack;-attack;+attack; No problem right. Well no, unless you take into consideration the fact that the NS designers (hopefully) tested a great deal on learning what would be a fair battle between a skulk lvl 0 and a marine lvl 0, let's say in 1v1. Obviously in one foul swoop the skulk would be toast. Will you then tell me that it's fair because the skulk is allowed to do the same thing? Well, sure, but my opinion is simple. It isn't part of the game, it wasn't part of the design (as far as I know), therefore I will not allow it to be a part of my game. (<---Note the period)
-=IF=- the NS team said lets allow for this flaw in our coding structure then, by all means it was meant to be a part of the game. -=IF=- they said let's put preventative measures in then it is quite apparent. Unfortunately they didn't so we don't know their opinions on the matter. And of course some mods make the game better. Of course this is opionative. I believe it is NS Armslab which has their own redesigned spawnning system. This affects both teams and I definitely feel through much experience and observation that this has improved the game. I'm certain that the NS team will probably fix the spawn system.
Unfortunately you've opened a broad topic which can't be solved overnight, or in a post in the same broad fashion, hence the reason most people key the scripting side of things. In all, I am pretty open minded to hear what you have to say. If you feel you can show me that someone who receives a great number of complaints, either via scripts or rambo style antics deserves to take up the slot of a mediocre, yet deserving player then please carry on and do so... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You should understand that scripts are for convience.
Scripts are also built into the HL engine. They are optional to use. Scripts do not make you insanely more skilled. They are there for convience to allow for different sets of controls.
For example, that pistol "hack" script you mentioned.
Did you realize that I could make the exact same thing in macro format? You can block scripts, but you can't actually stop people from replicating commands as long as they are on a computer.
For example, I could use a _special +jump script which spams jump non-stop. I can't do this on a bs_1 server, but I could use <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84922&view=findpost&p=1326167' target='_blank'>this macro</a> instead on a bs_1 server which does the exact same thing.
Blocking scripts does nothing to prevent what you'd consider cheat yet it prevents geniunely useful aspects of scripting which are harmless or for fun, such as a script which allows me to climb up walls and stops all sounds being made by players.
I've actually talked to Flayra about why he wanted blockscripts put into the game, he did it to get people to stop complaining about scripts. I educated him about scripts and what they could do, but he said it'd still be easier to allow people to block scripts over education alone. This way, no matter what argument comes up, people always have the choice of blocking them.
Of course this really is ignorance, as people choose to ignore what is true over what they want to believe.
Blockscripts does nothing. Blocking scripts is like making drugs illegal; it doesn't actually stop the drugs from being used or aquired, yet it somehow makes the person feel morally right. In this sense there is no rationality for keeping blockscripts.
Blocking scripts, no matter who you are puts you on the level of these ignorant <a href='http://exo.elementsys.com/forum/showthread.php?p=403&posted=1#post403' target='_blank'>kids</a> over here.
For example, I could use a _special +jump script which spams jump non-stop. I can't do this on a bs_1 server, but I could use this macro instead on a bs_1 server which does the exact same thing.
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Yea, you could use a macro. But using external programs to help you are officially considered as cheating.
Can we agree on that?
For example, I could use a _special +jump script which spams jump non-stop. I can't do this on a bs_1 server, but I could use this macro instead on a bs_1 server which does the exact same thing.
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you are already considered cheating if you use a 3jump/pistol/leeeep-script. so, what's the difference? (not that i would ever need a macro)
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Yes as long as you don't blatantly ignore evidence (like you guys did at the G4B2S forums).
You might as well drop everything you think you know about scripts and start fresh.
Just FYI, I don't support _special scripts so ignore what forlorn said about macros... besides it will be gone next patch anyway. 3jump is fair.
This is exactly what I mean by the arrogance. We looked at the evidence but decided otherwise. So you're saying, until we come to the conclusion that you espouse, we cannot be truly enlightened?
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gah. no he is not saying that.
It doesn't matter what you consider, the point is you can't block harmless functions such as scripts. They are built into your computer.
Macro's are not "external programs" as in the same sense as cheats.
A macro never touches the memory of hl.exe, so that allusion is moot.
1)the community for scripting
2)the community agaisnt scripting
3)the neutral community
Now, the purpose of this thread was to have each community come to a resolution, not to debate wether or not scripting should or shouldn't be illegal. However, I'm going to attempt to open a little ground. So, the community for scripting is made up of those who are knowledable of scripting and know the fuctions and boundaires. The community agaisnt scripting is a) knowledgeable about scripting, knows how they function, etc. but choses not to script because they feel it gives them an unfair advantage. or b) has been mis-informed about scripting and believes they have functions that make them unfair. Now, the neutral community is those players who really have no clue what scripts are or have vague idea about them but don't care to side with one or another.
What the problem is now, is that each community beleives that they are right. But how do you prove that?
evidence.
Which is exactly what Nadagast was trying to get whoever it may be to prove to him that scripts are in fact maliscious.
This is where there is conflict. When everyone thinks they are right, and aren't willing to listen to each other. I don't think that this, as a whole can of course fix anything, but I think it open a few peoples minds to certain aspects of the game & community that before was un-thought of. I think the only way things will ever get better and there will be unitiy is if people take the time to listen and learn from one'an other...that and there needs to be a release of an really extensive manual attached with the final release that explains everything concerning the game.
So few pubbers actually understand the limitations of scripts, and many have even compared to hacks..if I ever here that Id have to strangle someone..im sorry
The difference scripts actually make to a player is negligible, and I guarantee you without scripts preety much all of us will kill you just the same
As has already been said..the only reason for scripting is conveinence...why would I want to hit f2 and then type exec alienconfig2.cfg everytime i go onto aliens when I can comebine the two in a script?
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As for griefing, who said we are trying to convince people by griefing
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Breaking rules on a server, then telling the admin the rules are dumb = griefing.
Seen several people do it, people who should really know better.
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The evidence we brought to light earlier shows what happens when we try to play on public servers when we don't initiate anything
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No, the evidence brought to light shows several forums belonging to server communities where they got griefed for daring have their own opinion of how to run the server they pay for. And they're still being "named and shamed" for it.
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I've been told by a few regular members of the community you support that you don't even play NS in their community!
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Meaning? I can't get into the server when its full? I live in a different timezone and don't feel like gaming at 3am because I have to get up for work at 7? Your point is?
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If you did not see what happened, you therefore have no justification to make stuff up just to stir up trouble in this thread.
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I find it laughable that someone would try to support a "I didn't see it so it never happened" viewpoint. That sort of sheer denial of reality is the way to end up disrespected by most other people.
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We are just trying to reach out to them and others in the public community that for the good of the game that we all enjoy and want to see to continue to be successful and fun, we need to work together on this repairable issue.
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Ramraiding their forums and continually making derogatory comments about their playerbase is not going to help you in this endeavour.
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Necrosis: You just called me a bad player
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I believe I said
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Bad players will complain, joining servers and deliberately ignoring the rules.
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Now, if you think that you are a person who joins servers and deliberately ignores the rules, then yes I consider you to be a bad player. In fact, I believe most players would consider a flagrant and persistent rulebreaker to be a bad player.
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An invitation: Let's play some 1v1 Combat and see who the bad player is ok?
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A smacktard at the top of the scoreboard is still a smacktard, I think you'll agree. Please don't confuse "bad player" with "unable to play the game". A bad player is one who destroys the gaming experience for others. I have NOT stated that you are a bad player, so don't attempt to take that line. However, if you openly admit that you join servers just to grief their "dumb rules" then yes I would call you a bad player and again I think the bulk of the community would too.
This is the maturity that comes with age, the maturity that also tells me that when I beat you it'd still amount to nothing.
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However, if a discussion about scripts does arrive, it's best to discuss the subject in a meaningful manner
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I wholeheartedly agree, but I'm grounded in reality too much to believe that most admins really have the time to wade through a 34 page thread whenever the subject arises. Second, such arguments are going to end up circular, especially when an admin has made up his mind despite any additional evidence. Consider -
"Your rules are dumb"
My house my rules, if you don't like them then you're free to play else where
*locked*
Or a more polite version
"I disagree with your rules. Scripts are harmless"
Maybe, but on this server they're blocked.
"I disagree, they're harmless, here's what they do"
I know that but on this server they're blocked
"How can you say that? They're harmless, you should allow them"
I know but on my server they're blocked
"Your server sucks then, you obviously don't know how they work"
Kthxbai
*locked*
Most people can see where those threads go and just nip them in the bud. Most admins will leave them locked and not deleted, but still that won't satisfy some.
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Yes I assume but thats because the bulk of players I meet are aware of scripts, having came to NS from a variety of other games (JK, Quake, other HL mods) and have experience with that sort of thing. Rarely do you meet someone entirely new to games who happens to wander into a mod for an engine which is nearing its end. If we were playing a new release then I'd be inclined to suspect we have totally new players, but tbh a lot of us playing are old hands.
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I've actually talked to Flayra about why he wanted blockscripts put into the game, he did it to get people to stop complaining about scripts. I educated him about scripts and what they could do, but he said it'd still be easier to allow people to block scripts over education alone
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And thats the attitude most admins are going to take. So much easier to blockscripts and cut out a lot of unnecessary abuse. Likewise it'd be so much easier for people to make a few script servers as a good example to interested players. And again likewise that its easier to ban people than try and teach them that rules are good.
Nice link Forlorn, banned for disrespecting another player. Yes if you have the condump feel free to pm me it, tbh I can see enough in the little bit you posted to see the potential for an "attitude problem".
Also thanks for another example of "naming and shaming", I find it sad and depressing that a player feels the need to carry an e-grudge just because someone didn't like them.
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(john_sheu @ Nov 12 2004, 06:46 PM)
OK, this is a better discussion. The clanners wish to educate the public about the use of scripts, that's fine with me. But that also implies that after being educated, if these server admins wish to keep mp_bs on, then those "educators" must respect this decision.
Can we agree on that?
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Yes as long as you don't blatantly ignore evidence (like you guys did at the G4B2S forums).
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So how do we then clarify "blatantly ignoring evidence". Not taking time for a 30 page thread which will amount to "I am the admin, I disagree with you, you may respect that and play here or you may go away"? Having the admin change his server?
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The difference scripts actually make to a player is negligible, and I guarantee you without scripts preety much all of us will kill you just the same
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So whats the problem? Play like everyone else on the bs_1 servers, play like everyone else on the bs_0 servers. If there's not enough bs_0 servers, make some.
BTW its only making me laugh more and more that its got to the point where e-duels and "you don't live your life in an NS server" comments are starting to replace any attempt at debate.
So few pubbers actually understand the limitations of scripts, and many have even compared to hacks..if I ever here that Id have to strangle someone..im sorry
The difference scripts actually make to a player is negligible, and I guarantee you without scripts preety much all of us will kill you just the same
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See, that's my point. I'm for scripts, but so many people trying to "educate" use examples like that. Simply put, 3jump scripts do help you bunnyhop, and iwthout it or binding mousewheel to jump you wouldn't be able to do it as well, or would at least need to learn it.
I'm not saying that it's wrong, but at least admit that it really does help and isn't just for "convinience". Pistol script, same thing. Press mouse1 as fast as you can, and it will double the time for you.
Again, I have both of those scripts and I like using them, but I know that I'd do those things worse without them.
OH PLEASE back that up. Let's play some 1v1 Combat tonight. I'll record a demo and post it here when you beat me. Seriously. My clan has a private server I can play you on. PM me (here or on IRC) or reply here so that you can embarass me and beat me.
Your entire argument is based on something that I think we can both agree is wrong... If I want to educate a community I don't make 1 server out of 500 that will promote my idea, and that many people will dismiss outright (not play on) or not even care if mp_bs is on or off (many of the pubbers). I do it by making a thread and talking to the people. It's cheaper, faster, and more productive. Saying "go make 1 server out of 500+ to change everyone's mind" is like saying "if you don't like Bush, run for president yourself!" Seriously.
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Read the G4B2S link I posted. This is how I can tell they are ignoring evidence: I explained to them exactly what a 3jump did and they replied with the same old arguments that they used 3 pages before on the thread, which were invalidated by my post. It's not because they don't agree with me that I say they ignore the evidence, it's because they reply with the same old (wrong) excuses. If they had read my post, and come up with a real/valid objection to it that would be fine, but they didn't. They just kept spitting out "scripts do stuff for you."
Nice link Forlorn, banned for disrespecting another player. Yes if you have the condump feel free to pm me it, tbh I can see enough in the little bit you posted to see the potential for an "attitude problem".
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The place I was hosting stuff went down so here is the condump:
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"amx_nextmap" changed to "co_angst"
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Dayna with heavymachinegun
Lun4TiC: awww
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Dana is a Btt with heavymachinegun
Choosing finished. The nextmap will be co_angst
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Dayna with shotgun
Lun4TiC: 44444
Dana is a Butt killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Dana is a Butt with shotgun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: =P
Alouqua: aaahhhh
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Alouqua with shotgun
darkdragon has joined the game
darkdragon has joined the game
Lun4iC: i'm lagging bad'
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Dana is a Butt with shotgun
Dana is a Butt: so who is spawn camping
Lun4TiC: no me?
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: awhh don':t camp
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Dana is a Butt with shotgun
Lun4TiC dropped
Lun4TiC: bye guys
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun
Dana is a Butt killed sci* Forlorn-Au with bitegun
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG|: hey, imshootin at hive
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG|: thats not camping
- Lun4TiC has left the game
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with heavymachinegun
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Alouqua with heavymachinegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: sci not u
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with heavymachinegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: sci spawn camping
Alouqua killed darkdragon with bitegun
Alouqua: oh god
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Alouqua with heavymachinegun
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| kiled -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with heavymachinegun
Alouqua: lol
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with heavymachinegun
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Alouqua with heavymachinegun
Alouqua killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with bitegun
Welcome to the Elite X Operations Clanserver -- <a href='http://exo.elementsys.com' target='_blank'>http://exo.elementsys.com</a>
Dana is a Butt killed darkdragon with swipe
Terror - Judge dropped
Dana is a Butt killed sci* Forlorn-Au with swipe
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed SeaZ with bitegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed dardragon with bitegun
Dana is a Butt: gg
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: <LOL
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Hello sci* Forlorn-Au, welcome to -|eXo|- | NationGaming.com
Players on server: 0/19
Current map: co_angst, Next map: ns_hera
Time Left: 19:57 of 20 minutes
Server mods:
o AMX Mod 0.9.7 (1 module)
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For newest AMX Mod and many plugins visit <a href='http://amxmod.net' target='_blank'>http://amxmod.net</a>
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* Privileges set
* Simple Slots Activated
BUILD 2738 SERVER (0 CRC)
Server # 80
sci* Forlorn-Au has joined the game
sci* Forlorn-Au has joined the game
Dayna has joined the game
Dayna has joined the game
Dana is a Butt has joined the game
Dana is a Butt has joined the game
darkdragon has joined the game
darkdragon has joined the game
Terror - Judge has joined the game
Terror - Judge has joined the game
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| has joined the game
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| has joied the game
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| has joined the game
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| has joined the game
SeaZ has joined the game
SeaZ has joined the game
Type 'amx_help' in the console to see available commands
Time Left: 19:38 min. Next Map: ns_hera
[AMX] Lerk Lift is enabled on this server. To disable Lerks from picking you up say /lloff ( /llon to enable )
darkdragon killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
* Dayna changed name to SaturnRedlineION
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
-|Xo|-Cephiros |nG| killed SaturnRedlineION with machinegun
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
crazymofo dropped
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed SaturnRedlineION with machinegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with bitegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Dana is a utt with machinegun
darkdragon killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with bitegun
(TEAM) Dana is a Butt: wait for them to come to you they are jsut lvlng up on us
darkdragon killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG|: lol
crazymofo has joined the game
crazymofo has joined the game
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed SaturnRedlineION with machinegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed Danais a Butt with machinegun
SaturnRedlineION dropped
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with bitegun
- SaturnRedlineION has left the game
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun
crazymofo killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
Terror - Judge killed crazymofo with bitegun
Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun
darkdragon killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
eXo Elite X Operations
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon wit swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
Dana is a Butt: welldone
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe
crazymofo killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
Dana is a Butt killed darkdragon with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
Dana is a Butt killed crazymofo with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-A killed crazymofo with swipe
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with bitegun
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed sci* Forlorn-Au with shotgun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed Dana is a Butt with shotgun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed Terror - Judge with shotgun
Dana is a Butt killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun
crazymofo killed Dana is a Butt with machinegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipeDana is a Butt killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
Visit our home at www.clanexo.net
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with swipe
crazymofo killed Terror - Judge with shotgun
sci* Forlorn-A killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
Dana is a Butt killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with bite2gun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au kille darkdragon with swipe
Terror - Judge killed crazymofo with claws
Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Dana is a Butt with machinegun
Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with claws
Dana is a Butt dropped
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed Terror - Judge with shotgun
- Dana is a Butt has left the game
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
E.T. has joined the game
E.T. has joined the game
sci* Folorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
Terror - Judge killed crazymofo with claws
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws
Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws
Terror -Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws
Terror - Judge killed crazymofo with claws
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed E.T. with shotgun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
crazymofo killed Terror - Judge with shotgun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
eXo Elite X Operations
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killeddarkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
<PNK> Loresh dropped
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun
E.T. killed crazymofo with bitegun
Shadowfax|no sound dropped
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws
pandas | Jojoshua dropped
Shadowfax|no sound has joined the game
Shadowfax|no sound has joined the game
crazymofo killed Terror - Judge with heavymachinegun
sci* Forlorn-u killed crazymofo with swipe
Welcome to the Elite X Operations Clanserver -- <a href='http://exo.elementsys.com' target='_blank'>http://exo.elementsys.com</a>
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
E.T. killed darkdragon with parasite
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun
Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws
sci* Forlorn-Au killd crazymofo with swipe
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| dropped
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws
- -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| has left the game
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
pandas | Jojoshua has joined the game
pandas | Jojoshua has joined the game
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-A killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
Terror - Judge killed pandas | Jojoshua with claws
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au kiled Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed E.T. with heavymachinegun
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws
Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws
Terror - Judge killed pandas | Jojoshua with claws
Terror - Judge killed Shadowfax|no sound with claws
sci* Forlorn-Au: btw
Terror - Judge killed crazymofo with claws
Visit our home t www.clanexo.net
Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws
E.T.: sh!t
<b>sci* Forlorn-Au: that buddy of yours who took a demo of me
sci* Forlorn-Au: am I gonna get banned now?
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: yeah
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: prolly[</b>
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au: why I'm not hacking thou?
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
Terror - Judge killed Shadowfax|no sound with claws
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: he sed soemthing with yer energy was
ci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| has joined the game
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| has joined the game
Terror - Judge killed darkdragon with claws
Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws
Terror - Judge killed Shadowfax|no sound with claws
sci* Forlorn-Au: no it wasn't
sci* Forlorn-Au: it was good energy managment
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
-|eXo|-Cphiros |nG|: lol
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: i watch u
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: u have never run outa energy
E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun
E.T. killed crazymofo with bitegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: yer always blinking
sci* Forlorn-Au: yeah so what?
Terror - Judge killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with claws
sci* Forlorn-Au: it's easy to do
Terror - Judge killed Shadowfax|no sound with claws
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed craymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au: i can teach anyone
sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with swipe
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: -_-
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au: it's not an energy hack
** Stop flooding the server!
(TEAM) sci* Forlorn-Au: Move out of my way please!
pandas | Jojoshua killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
(TEAM) sci* Forlorn-Au: Move out of my way pease!
darkdragon killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed darkdragon with bitegun
pandas | Jojoshua killed crazymofo with machinegun
eXo Elite X Operations
pandas | Jojoshua killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
E.T. killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with machinegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed darkdragon with bitegun
E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun
<PNK> Loresh has joined the game
<PNK> Loresh has joined the game
-|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| killed Shadowfax|no sound wth bitegun
E.T. killed crazymofo with machinegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun
E.T. killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
Shadowfax|no sound killed -|eXo|-Omega Miroku|nG| with machinegun
NSPlayer dropped
sci* Forlorn-Au killed E.T. with bitegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG|: thats pretty obvious
Gekko}101{ dropped
E.T.: sh!t
E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed E.T. with bitegun
E.T. killed crazymofo with machinegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed E.T. with bitegn
pandas | Jojoshua killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun
<PNK> Loresh killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
NSPlayer has joined the game
NSPlayer has joined the game
<PNK> Loresh killed sci* Forlorn-Au with pistol
pandas | Jojoshua killed Terror - Judge with shotgun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun
darkdragon killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun
crazymofo killed darkdragon with bitegun
pandas | Jojoshua kiled sci* Forlorn-Au with shotgun
<PNK> Loresh killed crazymofo with machinegun
E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with pistol
Terror - Judge killed <PNK> Loresh with bitegun
LuLu has joined the game
LuLu has joined the game
Gekko}101{ has joined the game
Gekko}101{ has joined the game
E.T. killed sci* Forlorn-Au with pistol
pandas | Jojoshua killed LuLu with shotgun
E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with pistol
crazymofo killed <PNK> Loresh with bitegun
E.T. killed crazymofo with pistol
sci* Forlorn-Au kiled Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun
pandas | Jojoshua killed sci* Forlorn-Au with shotgun
pandas | Jojoshua killed Gekko}101{ with shotgun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun
NSPlayer killed Terror - Judge with machinegun
E.T. killed crazymofo with pistol
darkdragon killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun
darkdragon killed Gekko}101{ with shotgun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
<PNK> Loresh killed LuLu with shotgun
crazymofo killed NSPlayer with bitegun
Gekko}101{ dropped
sc* Forlorn-Au killed <PNK> Loresh with swipe
- Gekko}101{ has left the game
sci* Forlorn-Au killed E.T. with swipe
Terror - Judge killed NSPlayer with bitegun
NSPlayer killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with item_mine
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<PNK> Loresh killed LuLu with shotgun
Shadowfax|no sound killed sci* Forlorn-Au with shotgun
E.T. killed crazymofo with pistol
It's time to choose the nextmap...
E.T. killed Terror - Judge with pistol
Terror - Judge dropped
pandas | Jojoshua: gg
"amx_nextmap" change to "co_daimos"
- Terror - Judge has left the game
sci* Forlorn-Au: gg no gorge
E.T.: PISTOL WHIP!!!!!!!!!
Choosing finished. The nextmap will be co_daimos
-|eXo|-X-Zero|nG|-R has joined the game
-|eXo|-X-Zero|nG|-R has joined the game
first time playing dropped
crazymofo dropped
- crazymofo has left the game
sci* Forlorn-Au killed LuLu with bitegun
SeaZ killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
crazymofo has joined the game
crazymofo has joined the game
}v{ichigan }v{afia dropped
pandas | Jojoshua killd E.T. with machinegun
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed SeaZ with bitegun
first time playing has joined the game
first time playing has joined the game
-|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| killed LuLu with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun
pandas | Jojoshua killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
pandas | Jojoshua killed <PNK> Loresh with machinegun
E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun
SeaZ killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun
E.T. killed darkdragon with bitegun
crazymofo killed SeaZ ith bitegun
LuLu killed crazymofo with machinegun
NSPlayer killed first time playing with machinegun
E.T. killed NSPlayer with bitegun
}v{ichigan }v{afia has joined the game
}v{ichigan }v{afia has joined the game
<PNK> Loresh killed Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun
pandas | Jojoshua killed <PNK> Loresh with machinegun
LuLu killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with machinegun
}v{ichigan }v{afia dropped
darkdragon killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
NSPlayer killed crazymofo with machinegun
AnhyeuEm dropped
-|eX|-Cephiros |nG|: lol
sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun
- }v{ichigan }v{afia has left the game
Welcome to the Elite X Operations Clanserver -- <a href='http://exo.elementsys.com' target='_blank'>http://exo.elementsys.com</a>
sci* Forlorn-Au killed SeaZ with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed LuLu with bitegun
Shadowfax|no sound killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with pistol
pandas | Jojoshua killed E.T. with machinegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed NSPlayer with bitegun
}v{ichigan }v{afia has joined the game
}v{ichigan }v{afia has joined the game
sci* Forlor-Au killed LuLu with bitegun
NSPlayer killed sci* Forlorn-Au with machinegun
pandas | Jojoshua killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun
E.T. killed darkdragon with bitegun
E.T. killed pandas | Jojoshua with bitegun
AnhyeuEm has joined the game
AnhyeuEm has joined the game
Shadowfax|no sound killed first time playing with machinegun
meb has joined the game
meb has joined the game
E.T. killed Shadowfax|no sound with bitegun
eXo Elite X Operations
sci* Forlorn-Au killed NSPlayer with swipe
-|eXo|-Cephiros|nG| killed }v{ichigan }v{afia with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed SeaZ with swipe
pandas | Jojoshua killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with shotgun
pandas | Jojoshua killed E.T. with shotgun
<PNK> Loresh killed AnhyeuEm with bitegun
SeaZ killed crazymofo with item_mine
The server operator has added you to banned list
Added to banned list
You have been banned from this server.
You have been banned from this server.
You have been banned from this server.
You have been banned from this server.
You have been baned from this server.
] condump
I bolded the part where I started up a conversation
This happens to me all the time, I get banned for getting too many kills or something, no I was not deliberately spawn camping I was killing the chair in the process
Please point to me where I was talking trash
Also please point to me why a PT on that server (Jojoshua and NSGuide leader) did nothing to educate anyone
pandas | Jojoshua has joined the game
pandas | Jojoshua has joined the game
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
E.T. killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with bitegun
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-A killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
Terror - Judge killed pandas | Jojoshua with claws
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed -|eXo|-Cephiros |nG| with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed pandas | Jojoshua with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au kiled Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed darkdragon with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed crazymofo with swipe
sci* Forlorn-Au killed Shadowfax|no sound with swipe
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And you wonder why they didn't like you <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Not that that's a bannable offense, especially since no one said anything to you prior to that "you're gonna get banned" thing.
Actually, for a pub server, there's a surprising lack of conversation throughout the entire log.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->