<!--QuoteBegin-Nuketheplace+Nov 4 2004, 01:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nuketheplace @ Nov 4 2004, 01:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sadily, racism could be a decideing factor if Obama runs. If a large majority of people decided that Bush was better than Kerry on terms of "moral values" why can't a majority of people vote someone down because their black? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Someone being black is hardly a "moral issue" - the only members of the religious right that actually believe that like to wear bedsheets over their heads. They are in the minority.
<!--QuoteBegin-Marine01+Nov 3 2004, 10:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Nov 3 2004, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nuketheplace+Nov 4 2004, 01:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nuketheplace @ Nov 4 2004, 01:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sadily, racism could be a decideing factor if Obama runs. If a large majority of people decided that Bush was better than Kerry on terms of "moral values" why can't a majority of people vote someone down because their black? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Someone being black is hardly a "moral issue" - the only members of the religious right that actually believe that like to wear bedsheets over their heads. They are in the minority. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thankfully. However there is still a large portion of the population that, at least subconciously, carries a prejudice towards people of different races or religions.
Speaking of which, I don't know Obama's religion. If he is not Christian than that will also cost votes in the "I can only vote for a christian" crowd. Which is probably more numerous than I imagine. I mean, if Kenedy being catholic was a problem for so many...
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<!--QuoteBegin-Marine01+Nov 3 2004, 11:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Nov 3 2004, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Someone being black is hardly a "moral issue" - the only members of the religious right that actually believe that like to wear bedsheets over their heads. They are in the minority.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Outright hatred isn't the problem... prejudice is. It's not just the religious right, or conservatives, or white people... <i>black people</i> have a bias against black people*. It's absolutely ingrained in every fiber of our society; everyone is affected whether they realize it or own up to it or whatever. We can make conscious decisions against our preconceptions, but those preconceptions *do* exist.
Given two equivalent candidates - one black, one white - in America, the black candidate will lose. As will a woman, a non-Christian, a homosexual, or any other minority. Prejudice is very much alive and "well."
<i>* Scientists did a study in which subjects were shown a picture of a person carrying an object and asked to decide "dangerous" or "not dangerous" as quickly as possible. The person was either white or black, and the object was either dangerous (gun, knife, etc) or harmless (e.g. a cell phone). Regardless of the race of the test subject, he/she (1) was quicker to label a black person "dangerous," and (2) was more likely to incorrectly label a person holding a harmless object as "dangerous" if the person was black.</i>
Nothing really happened.. one call was about a "suspicious person" in eastern neighborhood, it turns out it was just becuase it was black man... there was a broken theft alarm button at a Fifth Third bank that kept going off... Oh and we help this one dude with a broken down truck on I-65S
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edited November 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Nov 3 2004, 11:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Nov 3 2004, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can look forward a less social government. Capitalism ftw! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> right . . . all the deficit spending, none of the government programs. That's certainly a win-win situation.
Edit: Though I liked my one liner better, I'll defile it anyways. I know you are going to feel compelled to reply to that little jab, so I'll preempt it. To discuss it we would have to get into the entire philosophical debate of the proper function of government. Feel free to start another thread if you want to discuss that. This thread exists entirely to cheer me up. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I was watching the election results wth my roomates, all of whom who were home were Dem's. It was interesting to watch us try to salvage something out of this, but we're pretty much out of ideas.
The one thing the poli-sci major came up with is a [Hillary] Clinton-Obama ticket. It's possible, but those people would be such targets for assasination that they'd need to live in bunkers the entire time they were in power should they win. With her husbad out there campaining with her and Obama, it'd be really difficult for the Republicans to fight at least on a rhetoric level.
I'm just glad that both where I live and where I go to school got their democrats into power. Feingold here in Wisconsin and John Dingel in Michigan. Plus, all of our electoral votes went the way that they should have. I guess I can't complain since I did all I could have.
You can look forward to a conscripted vacation in Tehran, moultano. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Given two equivalent candidates - one black, one white - in America, the black candidate will lose. As will a woman, a non-Christian, a homosexual, or any other minority. Prejudice is very much alive and "well."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know about that. If Colin Powell ran for president, many (including myself) think he would win.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Nov 3 2004, 04:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Nov 3 2004, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You forgot: Feingold. Feingold was reelected to the Senate. You also forgot: Bush can't be elected to a 3rd term.
Personally I think we should do our best to try and put together a crack team of impossible to beat democrats for 2008. Something like Feingold-Obama would rock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dont forget Mrs. Gun Control herself, Feinstein...
Personally, I'm glad that Bush one. I'm also glad Obama won. He is a good guy. Hes like...comparable to John McKain. He's just there to get things done, not to make fun of the other guys even if he doesn't agree.
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Nov 3 2004, 04:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Nov 3 2004, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You forgot: Feingold. Feingold was reelected to the Senate. You also forgot: Bush can't be elected to a 3rd term.
Personally I think we should do our best to try and put together a crack team of impossible to beat democrats for 2008. Something like Feingold-Obama would rock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't make us pull out our Giuliani-McCain boomstick.
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Nov 4 2004, 12:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Nov 4 2004, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Nov 3 2004, 04:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Nov 3 2004, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You forgot: Feingold. Feingold was reelected to the Senate. You also forgot: Bush can't be elected to a 3rd term.
Personally I think we should do our best to try and put together a crack team of impossible to beat democrats for 2008. Something like Feingold-Obama would rock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't make us pull out our Giuliani-McCain boomstick.
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That, sir, is going in my sig.
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edited November 2004
I'm with moultano. Give Barack until `12 to make his run. We know he's got a great attitude and platform, but even so I'd hesitate to vote for him without seeing a little more of what he can do in office. But I have no doubts he'd be an excellent candidate.
You could always remedy the race problem by putting him up against colin powell or alan keyes. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> It's unfortunate that race would be a factor, but I think if Obama continues to make impressions like he did at the DNC over the next few years, it'd be a very small group of people who would actually let race play a factor. At least, that's what I like to think. Powell vs. Obama would be really interesting - I actually wouldn't mind a close race there.
A Feingold/Obama or Obama/Feingold combination would be pretty cool, too. Even Guliani/McCain as mentioned above (or vice versa) probably wouldn't be too bad.
And, another thing to look forward to: the possibility Bush won't screw up. There's the potential for Bush to turn the rough spots around after the last four years (which, while not good, could have turned out much worse). If he can, more power to him (figuratively, not literally <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). I voted, I did my part, and I lost. At least I can hope that the faith people put into Bush this time is worth it.
I'm disappointed Bush won, but I don't think it spells the end for us all. I think other countries before the election were hoping they could get out of dealing with him by waiting for him to get voted out, but if the international quotes hold up, it sounds like now they've accepted he's in and they might as well do what they can to help. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I think France even made some comments on offering more assistance where necessary/beneficial. That's the biggest thing we need, mainly in Iraq. It doesn't matter if you like the war or not, we're in there. Our duty now is to get out of there - and I don't mean in a "Bring the troops back now!" sense, but in the sense of doing everything in our power to stabilize the area and bring as many people as possible home safely in as little (reasonable) time as possible. If we can count on more international efforts to stabilize the area, then maybe a relatively good ending is something we can look forward to. I can only hope.
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Nov 4 2004, 12:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Nov 4 2004, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Nov 3 2004, 04:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Nov 3 2004, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You forgot: Feingold. Feingold was reelected to the Senate. You also forgot: Bush can't be elected to a 3rd term.
Personally I think we should do our best to try and put together a crack team of impossible to beat democrats for 2008. Something like Feingold-Obama would rock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't make us pull out our Giuliani-McCain boomstick.
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Very good point. I think the 2008 race will be 100x better than the 2004 race. We could get some really really unique candidates that test the social formalities of America.
You might not want to hope for an Obama, Clinton, or any other senator ticket. Nixon was the last senator who was elected to the office of President. Why do you suppose that is?
Senators have a problem when they run for other offices. They end up with a long track record of conflicting positions and votes. It is the nature of the job. So many bills and proposals come across their desks that even a junior senator will likely have supported/opposed every position imaginable.
Kerry had a 20 year senate record. Why do you think it was so easy to find things that he had voted on that seemed to contradict his current positions? Senators make the worst Presidential candidates.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And, another thing to look forward to: the possibility Bush won't screw up. There's the potential for Bush to turn the rough spots around after the last four years (which, while not good, could have turned out much worse). If he can, more power to him (figuratively, not literally ). I voted, I did my part, and I lost. At least I can hope that the faith people put into Bush this time is worth it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. Even though I voted for Bush, He screwed up on a few things and I hope he smooths up the rough spots. Mind you that Republicans better deliver, they have 2 houses of congress and the executive. If they dont, it will hurt them in the long run.
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Nov 4 2004, 12:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Nov 4 2004, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Don't make us pull out our Giuliani-McCain boomstick.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh god...I just pictured a political cartoon in 2008 with some guy in a British hunting outfit loading a sawed-off shotgun with stiff, tiny versions of Giuliani and McCain, as a small beaten donkey cowers in the corner.
Oh yes.....*drool*
Shame someone already took it, I need something to replace my Bush sig, wonder if they make victory versions. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Nov 4 2004, 02:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Nov 4 2004, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If it was Feingold-Obama and McCain-Guliani 2008 would restore my shattered faith in America. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> We can always dream.
Though I expect the next election to be pretty fun. Hopefully civil as well.
<!--QuoteBegin-wizard@psu+Nov 4 2004, 12:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Nov 4 2004, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You might not want to hope for an Obama, Clinton, or any other senator ticket. Nixon was the last senator who was elected to the office of President. Why do you suppose that is?
Senators have a problem when they run for other offices. They end up with a long track record of conflicting positions and votes. It is the nature of the job. So many bills and proposals come across their desks that even a junior senator will likely have supported/opposed every position imaginable.
Kerry had a 20 year senate record. Why do you think it was so easy to find things that he had voted on that seemed to contradict his current positions? Senators make the worst Presidential candidates. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's sooo true.
example: the "Kerry is a flip-flop" BS.
Still, I hope Obama would be president or VP someday.
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edited November 2004
This isn't going to promote any intelligent discussion, but considering this is the consolation thread for all of us that lost, I figure I'll post it here. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='color:yellow'>Please do -NOT- relink to that chart. And never post like that again. Also remember that most southern states are, in fact, democratic. Why would democrats vote for Bush?</span>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This isn't going to promote any intelligent discussion, but considering this is the consolation thread for all of us that lost, I figure I'll post it here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not only does it not promote intelligent discussion, it takes a big step in the other direction.
Yeah, but come on. Do you really expect that the IQ in Massachusetts is going to be higher than Mississippi? I mean, come on, Mass. has MIT and many other fine world famous institutions and Mississippi has... uh... you might have to get back to me on that one.
<!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Nov 5 2004, 12:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Nov 5 2004, 12:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This isn't going to promote any intelligent discussion, but considering this is the consolation thread for all of us that lost, I figure I'll post it here. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='color:yellow'>Edited out</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Since when did high IQ and good choices corralate with each other?
Furthermore, I do not believe any of those IQ numbers.
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Someone being black is hardly a "moral issue" - the only members of the religious right that actually believe that like to wear bedsheets over their heads. They are in the minority.
Someone being black is hardly a "moral issue" - the only members of the religious right that actually believe that like to wear bedsheets over their heads. They are in the minority. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thankfully. However there is still a large portion of the population that, at least subconciously, carries a prejudice towards people of different races or religions.
Speaking of which, I don't know Obama's religion. If he is not Christian than that will also cost votes in the "I can only vote for a christian" crowd. Which is probably more numerous than I imagine. I mean, if Kenedy being catholic was a problem for so many...
Outright hatred isn't the problem... prejudice is. It's not just the religious right, or conservatives, or white people... <i>black people</i> have a bias against black people*. It's absolutely ingrained in every fiber of our society; everyone is affected whether they realize it or own up to it or whatever. We can make conscious decisions against our preconceptions, but those preconceptions *do* exist.
Given two equivalent candidates - one black, one white - in America, the black candidate will lose. As will a woman, a non-Christian, a homosexual, or any other minority. Prejudice is very much alive and "well."
<i>* Scientists did a study in which subjects were shown a picture of a person carrying an object and asked to decide "dangerous" or "not dangerous" as quickly as possible. The person was either white or black, and the object was either dangerous (gun, knife, etc) or harmless (e.g. a cell phone). Regardless of the race of the test subject, he/she (1) was quicker to label a black person "dangerous," and (2) was more likely to incorrectly label a person holding a harmless object as "dangerous" if the person was black.</i>
Nothing really happened.. one call was about a "suspicious person" in eastern neighborhood, it turns out it was just becuase it was black man... there was a broken theft alarm button at a Fifth Third bank that kept going off... Oh and we help this one dude with a broken down truck on I-65S
right . . . all the deficit spending, none of the government programs. That's certainly a win-win situation.
Edit: Though I liked my one liner better, I'll defile it anyways. I know you are going to feel compelled to reply to that little jab, so I'll preempt it. To discuss it we would have to get into the entire philosophical debate of the proper function of government. Feel free to start another thread if you want to discuss that. This thread exists entirely to cheer me up. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The one thing the poli-sci major came up with is a [Hillary] Clinton-Obama ticket. It's possible, but those people would be such targets for assasination that they'd need to live in bunkers the entire time they were in power should they win. With her husbad out there campaining with her and Obama, it'd be really difficult for the Republicans to fight at least on a rhetoric level.
I'm just glad that both where I live and where I go to school got their democrats into power. Feingold here in Wisconsin and John Dingel in Michigan. Plus, all of our electoral votes went the way that they should have. I guess I can't complain since I did all I could have.
I don't know about that. If Colin Powell ran for president, many (including myself) think he would win.
You also forgot: Bush can't be elected to a 3rd term.
Personally I think we should do our best to try and put together a crack team of impossible to beat democrats for 2008. Something like Feingold-Obama would rock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dont forget Mrs. Gun Control herself, Feinstein...
Personally, I'm glad that Bush one. I'm also glad Obama won. He is a good guy. Hes like...comparable to John McKain. He's just there to get things done, not to make fun of the other guys even if he doesn't agree.
EDIT: And jamil...
THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT.
You also forgot: Bush can't be elected to a 3rd term.
Personally I think we should do our best to try and put together a crack team of impossible to beat democrats for 2008. Something like Feingold-Obama would rock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't make us pull out our Giuliani-McCain boomstick.
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You also forgot: Bush can't be elected to a 3rd term.
Personally I think we should do our best to try and put together a crack team of impossible to beat democrats for 2008. Something like Feingold-Obama would rock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't make us pull out our Giuliani-McCain boomstick.
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That, sir, is going in my sig.
You could always remedy the race problem by putting him up against colin powell or alan keyes. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> It's unfortunate that race would be a factor, but I think if Obama continues to make impressions like he did at the DNC over the next few years, it'd be a very small group of people who would actually let race play a factor. At least, that's what I like to think. Powell vs. Obama would be really interesting - I actually wouldn't mind a close race there.
A Feingold/Obama or Obama/Feingold combination would be pretty cool, too. Even Guliani/McCain as mentioned above (or vice versa) probably wouldn't be too bad.
And, another thing to look forward to: the possibility Bush won't screw up. There's the potential for Bush to turn the rough spots around after the last four years (which, while not good, could have turned out much worse). If he can, more power to him (figuratively, not literally <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). I voted, I did my part, and I lost. At least I can hope that the faith people put into Bush this time is worth it.
I'm disappointed Bush won, but I don't think it spells the end for us all. I think other countries before the election were hoping they could get out of dealing with him by waiting for him to get voted out, but if the international quotes hold up, it sounds like now they've accepted he's in and they might as well do what they can to help. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I think France even made some comments on offering more assistance where necessary/beneficial. That's the biggest thing we need, mainly in Iraq. It doesn't matter if you like the war or not, we're in there. Our duty now is to get out of there - and I don't mean in a "Bring the troops back now!" sense, but in the sense of doing everything in our power to stabilize the area and bring as many people as possible home safely in as little (reasonable) time as possible. If we can count on more international efforts to stabilize the area, then maybe a relatively good ending is something we can look forward to. I can only hope.
You also forgot: Bush can't be elected to a 3rd term.
Personally I think we should do our best to try and put together a crack team of impossible to beat democrats for 2008. Something like Feingold-Obama would rock. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't make us pull out our Giuliani-McCain boomstick.
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very good point. I think the 2008 race will be 100x better than the 2004 race. We could get some really really unique candidates that test the social formalities of America.
There is already talk that Ashcroft will not continue in his role of AG. That at least should make some of you happy.
Senators have a problem when they run for other offices. They end up with a long track record of conflicting positions and votes. It is the nature of the job. So many bills and proposals come across their desks that even a junior senator will likely have supported/opposed every position imaginable.
Kerry had a 20 year senate record. Why do you think it was so easy to find things that he had voted on that seemed to contradict his current positions? Senators make the worst Presidential candidates.
Agreed. Even though I voted for Bush, He screwed up on a few things and I hope he smooths up the rough spots. Mind you that Republicans better deliver, they have 2 houses of congress and the executive. If they dont, it will hurt them in the long run.
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Oh god...I just pictured a political cartoon in 2008 with some guy in a British hunting outfit loading a sawed-off shotgun with stiff, tiny versions of Giuliani and McCain, as a small beaten donkey cowers in the corner.
Oh yes.....*drool*
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We can always dream.
Though I expect the next election to be pretty fun. Hopefully civil as well.
Senators have a problem when they run for other offices. They end up with a long track record of conflicting positions and votes. It is the nature of the job. So many bills and proposals come across their desks that even a junior senator will likely have supported/opposed every position imaginable.
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That's sooo true.
example: the "Kerry is a flip-flop" BS.
Still, I hope Obama would be president or VP someday.
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Not only does it not promote intelligent discussion, it takes a big step in the other direction.
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Since when did high IQ and good choices corralate with each other?
Furthermore, I do not believe any of those IQ numbers.
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Let's be nice. -Rob
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Man, tough crowd tonight.