What Do We Have To Look Forward To?
moultano
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Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
<div class="IPBDescription">(for those of us who didn't want Bush)</div> As a disclaimer, I don't want the endless Bush debate going on in this thread. There are a ton of places to do that. Don't make this one of them.
For the people who think Bush's reelection is a disaster, what came out of this election that is positive?
The list as I see it at the moment. Feel free to add to it.<ul><li>Barack Obama.</li><li>4 more years of hilarious daily show episodes as Bush slips further and further from realty.</li><li>The school levy passed in my home town. (Cincinnati)</li></ul>All in all, I'd say this was a pretty awful day for America, and I need some cheering up. All you glass half full people here, start filling up this thread. I'm going to go the the park and stumble about in dazed saddened disbelief, and when I get back I want there to be enough here to make me happy.
For the people who think Bush's reelection is a disaster, what came out of this election that is positive?
The list as I see it at the moment. Feel free to add to it.<ul><li>Barack Obama.</li><li>4 more years of hilarious daily show episodes as Bush slips further and further from realty.</li><li>The school levy passed in my home town. (Cincinnati)</li></ul>All in all, I'd say this was a pretty awful day for America, and I need some cheering up. All you glass half full people here, start filling up this thread. I'm going to go the the park and stumble about in dazed saddened disbelief, and when I get back I want there to be enough here to make me happy.
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<b>Don't jump! You have plenty to live for!</b>
You also forgot: Bush can't be elected to a 3rd term.
Personally I think we should do our best to try and put together a crack team of impossible to beat democrats for 2008. Something like Feingold-Obama would rock.
two adjustements that would make the US an actual <i>democracy</i> instead of a single party plutocracy:<ul><li>get rid of electoral college system</li><li>make all canidates get the same ammount of campaign funding, no more private investing</li></ul>
one statistic that makes me hate people who don't vote:
Youth voters made up only 10% of the voting population, but was 15% more for Kerry than the national average.
A improved (hopefully) public school system to do the No Child Left Behind act.
I'm depressed that Bush won, but at least he can't really screw things up any more. I mean we 've already stared drilling in ANWR and haven't singed the Kyoto protocal. Theres not a lot of bad stuff he can do now.
The only thing that I'm looking forward to is the response that Bush will have if America is attacked again.
Kerry's still in the senate, and intends to work closely with Bush for bi-partisenship. Even if Bush didn't want to (I think he does because he's a nice guy and Kerry and Bush get along pretty well), it would be pretty bad for him to just turn away from Kerry's aid. Especially in this time of need of our country.
Remember also that the President is hardly anything without the congress, which, incidentally is in control of the Republicans at this point. What I'm trying to say is that, you need to be more focused on what the Senate is doing, becuase that's where people get entrenched, and that's where the power is.
*edit* Follow up of what Marine posted below. Bush got the highest percentage of the popular vote ever, I believe. */edit*
Make that <b>less</b> than half. Bush won the popular vote this time around.
I'm not going to argue numbers with you. It <i>is</i> about half, not exactly but about.
I'm not going to have any further discussion with you on this.
two adjustements that would make the US an actual <i>democracy</i> instead of a single party plutocracy:<ul><li>get rid of electoral college system</li><li>make all canidates get the same ammount of campaign funding, no more private investing</li></ul>one statistic that makes me hate people who don't vote:
Youth voters made up only 10% of the voting population, but was 15% more for Kerry than the national average. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just thought you should know that the United States is a Republic and not a Democracy. Democracies have a "mob rule" system. The electoral college is a brilliant thing. I certainly thank the forefathers for their thinking on the issues at hand. Perhaps you should look them up?
Kerry's still in the senate, and intends to work closely with Bush for bi-partisenship. Even if Bush didn't want to (I think he does because he's a nice guy and Kerry and Bush get along pretty well), it would be pretty bad for him to just turn away from Kerry's aid. Especially in this time of need of our country.
Remember also that the President is hardly anything without the congress, which, incidentally is in control of the Republicans at this point. What I'm trying to say is that, you need to be more focused on what the Senate is doing, becuase that's where people get entrenched, and that's where the power is.
*edit* Follow up of what Marine posted below. Bush got the highest percentage of the popular vote ever, I believe. */edit* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't really agree with the thrust of Kerry's concession speech. Typically when people talk about bipartisan efforts they are making an attempt to remove the petty unnecessary conflicts from the debate.
The issues that mattered in this election were not petty unnecessary conflicts, and I don't think there is anything to be gained by glossing over them for the sake of unity.
Kerry's still in the senate, and intends to work closely with Bush for bi-partisenship. Even if Bush didn't want to (I think he does because he's a nice guy and Kerry and Bush get along pretty well), it would be pretty bad for him to just turn away from Kerry's aid. Especially in this time of need of our country.
Remember also that the President is hardly anything without the congress, which, incidentally is in control of the Republicans at this point. What I'm trying to say is that, you need to be more focused on what the Senate is doing, becuase that's where people get entrenched, and that's where the power is.
*edit* Follow up of what Marine posted below. Bush got the highest percentage of the popular vote ever, I believe. */edit* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't really agree with the thrust of Kerry's concession speech. Typically when people talk about bipartisan efforts they are making an attempt to remove the petty unnecessary conflicts from the debate.
The issues that mattered in this election were not petty unnecessary conflicts, and I don't think there is anything to be gained by glossing over them for the sake of unity. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What he was really getting at, I believe is this:
In the wake of this election (however it would have gone), people on the loosing side are going to be totally left out. Because, as you said, the views on either side were so radically different. Sort of like coming back to your old school when you've graduated college: you just feel misplaced. In this case, even scared, confused, and overly defensive.
For the loosing candidate to stand up and say "I'm throwing my weight behind the winner" is always a very good thing to do after the election, because in our system of government we change leaders every 4 years. This has the potential to totally tear our social system completely apart. Had Kerry said "Screw this, I call on my supports to boycott!" For example.
And in this particular case, it's even more important because of the implications of scale mentioned above. It helps when the leader of the party of the newly lost people to stand up and say "It's okay, we just have to work together." It gives everyone else a sense of direction.
Had Kerry won, I'd have expected Bush to make literally the same speach.
A feingold-McCain ticket would be sweet also, but that seems quite a bit less likely. Plus, how could Obama lose?
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War is never funny
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Come on man, its a joke, and one thats so far out of the realm of possibilty....
Also, it would be sweet because I wouldn't have to move to live in Canada.
I could go for it, I judge people not by who they are but by the content of their character.
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Funny even though very sad. I must admit it was the first time I've cracked a smile today, so thank you for sharing that.
A feingold-McCain ticket would be sweet also, but that seems quite a bit less likely. Plus, how could Obama lose? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't want to see Obama run for president until there is absolutely no chance he could lose. I'd say give him two terms in the senate first.
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Come on man, its a joke, and one thats so far out of the realm of possibilty....
Also, it would be sweet because I wouldn't have to move to live in Canada. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know it was a joke, but I learned from an early age that war, invasion, etc is something not to joke about
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A feingold-McCain ticket would be sweet also, but that seems quite a bit less likely. Plus, how could Obama lose? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't want to see Obama run for president until there is absolutely no chance he could lose. I'd say give him two terms in the senate first. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, and I suppose illinois deserves to keep him to themselves for a while...
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Whoa whoa whoa, let’s not jump to hasty conclusions.
After the race riots, civil war, inquisition, and internal crusades to force New England to see the light, anything could happen. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Simple, hes black
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In a similar vein . . .
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~sarcasm~ Oh cool now racism joins the fray! Infrikincredible! ~sarcasm~
Simple, hes black <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
~sarcasm~ Oh cool now racism joins the fray! Infrikincredible! ~sarcasm~ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He does have a point, many people in america won't vote for him because hes black, and many won't vote for Feingold because hes a jew. Despite how things are in my home state, I've come to realize that intollerance is still pretty rampant in the US. On the whole however, I give america more credit than that (even though I shouldn't, based on the outcome of this election).
I'm actually hoping that Bush replaces Ashcroft. There's been some scuttlebutt around the news that he might be on his way out, which I think would be fan-freaking-tastic.
I'm actually hoping that Bush replaces Ashcroft. There's been some scuttlebutt around the news that he might be on his way out, which I think would be fan-freaking-tastic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That would help alieviate some of my fears... unless of course hes only getting rid of him because he wants someone even more crazy...