Guild Wars

funbags · October 2004

GOOD BOY DEFIANCE <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

Align · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Oct 27 2004, 07:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> (stuff) </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
What I am saying is not that "OMG UR WRONG", I'm just asking for an explanation how it is anything like diablo. I don't get that feeling at all.

(oh and I did google, most results were saying that "the developers of <b>guild wars</b> blah blah developed <b>Diablo</b> etc", and the results that <i>weren't</i> like that, unfortunately didn't specify how it is like Diablo...)

Geminosity · October 2004

you sure you used " around guild wars? =3

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Guild War's PvP segments are, basically, what would happen if Diablo 2 and Quake 3 had a child together</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
<a href='http://articles.filefront.com/177' target='_blank'>http://articles.filefront.com/177</a>

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Description - Guild Wars will be a mixture of Diablo 2 and a MMORPG. The game will be massive in scope and online only like a MMORPG, but will be free to play like Diablo 2. In fact, you could say that Guild Wars represents Diablo 3 for many gamers.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
<a href='http://www.gameogre.com/guildwarspreview.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.gameogre.com/guildwarspreview.htm</a>

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>A Diablo-like clone</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The game was good if you like diablo 2.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Just because the angle of the camera is different and theres more than 8 people in a game doesnt NOT make it a diablo clone.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
<a href='http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,11593673~mode=flat' target='_blank'>http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/rema...93673~mode=flat</a>

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Guild Wars. What is it? Pretty MMO Style Diablo. I don't know how else to say this. Click on an enemy it autoattacks. You have 8 skills to use during battle. When you make a toon you get a primary and secondary class, MUCH like CoH where you get skills from both schools but your secondary school is slightly weakened. Loot is exactly like diablo. You even hold down Alt to see everything on screen. To cycle through enemies you hit delete. Did I mention it's Diablo?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Diablo with an even slower pace</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If you take Diablo and remove the need to click frequently in order to kill the stuff that's flying at you, you have Guild Wars.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>it plays and feels like Diablo.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
<a href='http://www.f13.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=494&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0' target='_blank'>Warning contains swearing</a>

Note in the forum linkies I gave you get some naysayers though there's more who seem to agree with it being 'diablo-esque' from my counts (Biased as they are ^~ ).
To be honest, though, I'm curious why you can't see it being pretty much the next diablo =/

Is it because diablo has some negative stigma attached to it's name? Is it because they changed a few things yet still left much of the core the same? (look at the UI... seriously XD ).

Fam · October 2004

I never played Diablo or Diablo 2. I couldn't care less about any resemblence. I thoroughly enjoyed the E3 preview event (Once you got a few good people playing), and I am looking forward to release, and to finding out what cool stuff we get to play with during the World Preview.

Kouji_San · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fam @ Oct 27 2004, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I never played Diablo or Diablo 2. I couldn't care less about any resemblence. I thoroughly enjoyed the E3 preview event (Once you got a few good people playing), and I am looking forward to release, and to finding out what cool stuff we get to play with during the World Preview.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
That and the fact that its free, two things which will make me play it this weekend <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Oh and no worries about zombie panic since it is released on the 31 of october, just had a look at the website and the concept of zombie panic is really interesting. Yup we're in for some franticly creepy moments playing as the last remaining human players <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Align · October 2004

Those were exactly the sites I meant, gem. Except for
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Guild Wars. What is it? Pretty MMO Style Diablo. I don't know how else to say this. Click on an enemy it autoattacks. You have 8 skills to use during battle. When you make a toon you get a primary and secondary class, MUCH like CoH where you get skills from both schools but your secondary school is slightly weakened. Loot is exactly like diablo. You even hold down Alt to see everything on screen. To cycle through enemies you hit delete. Did I mention it's Diablo?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>, which is the kind of thing I was looking for... though the only actual similarities mentioned is the loot, and which default buttons are used for what handy features.

Meh, whatever, opinions based on feelings don't share easily. I'm sure that however much fun it is(going to be) will have a larger impact than how diablo-like it is.

EDIT: oh, and yes, when you put it like that, it's most definitely because of "Diablos negative stigma", heh.
EDIT2: One of the first sites you get if you search for ["diablo" + "guild wars"] mentions that it is a CORPG, Competitive Online RPG. I've never heard that term before, but it does sound more fitting than MMORPG.

Geminosity · October 2004

heh, yeah... PSO and stuff were more CORPGs than MMO so it's a nice new one to use =3

I'm not trying to put GW down... I might not have got into it but I know there's lots who will enjoy it. When I compare it to diablo I'm purely looking at mechanics, I'm not meaning to attach the 'oh noes diablo!' to it along with them XD
While it has a lot of the things I think are 'core' to Diablo's system it improves a lot on many of the aspects which is why I often say it's as good as a nigh on being a sequel =D

Pepe_Muffassa · October 2004

AAAAAHHHAHHAHAHHAA

The World Preview Event has STARTED!!!!

Quit reading this and go PLAY!!

And I'm at work!!! sucks to be me <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Tonight, though, will be Guild Wars for the next 3 days <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

See you all there!

SkinnY · October 2004

Skinny s

ingame name <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

chao · October 2004

Chao Belgarum
Ranger - Monk (meh, give it a try <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />)

Cold_NiTe · October 2004

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

I may as well install it and give it a try.

Rellix · October 2004

Acording to Fileplanet its kicked off early and you should be able to play now.

Keep an eye out for Rellix.

Align · October 2004

Im downloading the ingame stuff. At 4 KB/s <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />
Oh and my monk looked really weird, he had warrior armor and stuff, and it looked like it was a transparent rainbow material or something(graphics error obviously)
from the e3 event that is
....I think I will make a new one after I see how this works.

chao · October 2004

Yeah, downloads are annoying.
Every time I get to a new area, I need to dl something =/

Rellix · October 2004

Yeh i stoped playing after the first area beause of the slow downloading, hopefully itl get faster.

Align · October 2004

I think everyone is downloading the pre-first-area content at once, meaning there is a huge load on the servers that wont ease up until everyone is done and at least half the people are standing in one place for a minute or so, so that the servers can catch up.
Sux <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Surge · October 2004

I'm "Bolt Vanderhuge", Warrior/Mesmer add me!

pardzh · October 2004

I would be "Blargle Fwoop", Monk/Ranger. Soon as it's downloaded, that is.

Gwahir · October 2004

Gwahir Windlord, Ranger elementalist

downloads are slow, I need food

DiscoZombie · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Oct 26 2004, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The greatest thing to happen to MMOs would be a decent combat system with real-time collisions... without grind... with decent char creation... interesting worlds, quests and items... lots of fun minigames and <b>interesting</b> non-combat activities... and stuff ^^

GW so isn't it but if it's what you enjoy then I hope you have fun with it =3 </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
except for the combat system, you just described Furcadia perfectly =P

but seriously, without a grind, what is there to do in an MMO? the grind is what makes it NOT a glorified chatroom. if everyone is auto-l33t without having to grind, there's nothing left to do but sit around and chat...

Geminosity · October 2004

quests? adventures? treasure? exploration?

I don't recall fantasy books turning into pages of chatroom just because they didn't 'level up' from killing 3000 slimes =3

Sinister · October 2004

After playing the intro level, I have decided not to buy this game.

Does anyone know if the way of controlling the character in WoW is anything similar to this? If that is the case, I'm not going to buy that either. Despite how awsome it is in all other ways.

Caboose · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sinister @ Oct 28 2004, 05:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Does anyone know if the way of controlling the character in WoW is anything similar to this? If that is the case, I'm not going to buy that either. Despite how awsome it is in all other ways.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Pretty similar, but what's wrong with WASD?

Sinister · October 2004

*shoots self* <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Nothing wrong with wasd.. but that's not really what I meant. It's just that with this kind of character control, I'm just not able to live myself into the character.. it's.. yuck!
This is also the reason I <i>hate</i> KotOR, which is similar. That, and the very long and boring conversations.

Fam · October 2004

My character seems overly obsessed with Greedo's... hip area. Hmm.

Quaunaut · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fam @ Oct 28 2004, 05:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My character seems overly obsessed with Greedo's... hip area. Hmm.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
...I knew I should have created a girl. Too bad you can't skip the tutorial area D:

...and what kind of BS world preview is this, limiting us to 15-20. This is almost as bad as the limiting before, where we were limited to 15, and only, 15. I want to be leveling from 1-20, darn you!

Gwahir · October 2004

I've had some fun

I was about to engage on the third mission (not including intro level)

Getting a party can take a while, so after running around and trying to make myself look like enough of a fool to gain attention, I threw together a team. I don't have much experience there so I just grabbed what I could.

We get in and I'm insulted beyond all measure for not having a primary monk (one guy had 2 monks in his team and they were utterly destroyed and this would be his 6th attempt at the mission)

So we try it out anyway and level the first monster without much difficulty, then about 6 scarabs level us...

okay drop that group, lets try this again.

3 monks 2 rangers and a warrior ought to do it.

Goes well, I get the group to follow, occasionally giving a helpful hint.
Then it happens, monsters flow in from all sides, all 3 monks and the warrior are dead. I and another ranger run for our lives but the monsters stop chasing us right at the choke point. So we draw one out, can't manage it (it's getting healed, a lot) and place it where it shouldn't be much trouble. We draw out a couple of scarabs and I play running target while the other ranger runs in and revives a monk (she had the signet to rez with, I'd already used mine).

She gets in and revives him!

Unfortunately, after a bit of partial success, he's killed. There goes our last shot.

So we commit seppuku and return to the outpost. One of the characters left and I picked up a warrior to replace her.

we enter the mission.

This time I use my experience to the fullest. I direct the fire of my men, order their movements and pretty much act like an experienced field commander.
It was great.

So we complete the very long mission and I tell them I must go. Soon after I receive a whisper, "We'd really rather play with you again."

Now that, is a good feeling.

edit: the whisper came from a member of the previous team

Geminosity · October 2004

It's kinda weird really... if you remember way back before the E3 event I was all 'omg this sounds amazing' but once I tried it kinda came away non-plussed.
Not to put anything down without a second chance I downloaded it to have a look-see again and though I've not played I gotta say... the character models are amazing o.O
All games should have models for their players of this calibre or higher... it's just a shame I suspect I still won't be a fan of the gameplay but we'll see...

<b>later on edit:</b> bleh... still don't like the UI, combat is pretty much the same and while pretty and large I still feel all that awed by it for some reason; it feels strangely hollow =o
Guess it's just not my cup of tea ^^;

Fam · November 2004

The Preorder/gamespot weekend reintroduced the E3 content, along with loads more explorable area. Heres a map of <b>some</b> of the area we wandered around on Sunday. For reference, Lions Arch is the very bottom left.

We met snow ettins, minotaurs, charr by the million, dwarves riding mammoths, and many other cool folk.

<img src='http://www.box7.co.uk/guildwarsmap_1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Guild Wars

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