X800 Xt Pe

NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
edited October 2004 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">... Where the hell do I get one?</div> Note: Anyone that even <b>thinks</b> about starting an ATI versus nVidia debate here will be violated with a broom.

That said, I'm looking to get one of these dandy little cards for the machine that I'll be building in two weeks. Problem is, I don't know what manufacturer to get, and, more importantly, I haven't a ****ing clue as to how I'm supposed to find the damn things. Newegg only lists X800 XT's (which I'm pretty sure are actually XT PE's - Lord knows why they don't actually say so), but doesn't have any in stock from the six manufacturers they list.

So, if any of you fine trol- *ahem*, <i>forum users</i> can find me an X800 XT PE that I can actually buy, I would be most grateful.

Note: I'm looking for an AGP board, not a PCI Express board.

Comments

  • TheFrostmourneTheFrostmourne Join Date: 2004-09-14 Member: 31708Members
    Rumor is they will be more widely available end of this month.

    *Ahem*May have somthing to do with Half-Life 2*Ahem*
  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    I didnt think they were availible yet, but check pricewatch a couple times a week and you'll see it when it is.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    edited October 2004
    you have too much money to blow on videogames.

    /apologies for being so non-helpful, but i dont see that the performance differences between that 500$ videocard and a 200$ videocard are very great.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zel+Oct 4 2004, 09:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Oct 4 2004, 09:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you have too much money to blow on videogames.

    /apologies for being so non-helpful, but i dont see that the performance differences between that 500$ videocard and a 200$ videocard are very great. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Check Tom's Hardware Guide. Their newest benchmarks show the X800 XT PE performing as much as twice as well as the 9800 Pro (my current card).

    And it's not my money. This new system is a "Getting Into College" present from my father that's intentionally six months late. He's the one with too much money - I'm just liberating it from him.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Narfwak+Oct 4 2004, 10:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Oct 4 2004, 10:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...9800 Pro (my current card).

    And it's not my money. This new system is a "Getting Into College" present from my father that's intentionally six months late. He's the one with too much money - I'm just liberating it from him. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wish my mommy/daddy had that kind of money to blow on me... But no, it's hard enough to pay for necesities, like food, bills etc...

    I'll be more than glad to take that old 9800 pro off your hands!
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    <a href='http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=x800%20xt%20pe&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wf' target='_blank'>http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=x800%2...off&sa=N&tab=wf</a>

    thats a lot of money liberation that could go to other causes. like a year of expensive dinners for random boyfriend/girlfriends, building the heck out of your reputation <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    Its a hard card to find.

    Back in early August I had been looking for like 3 weeks and I got a 6800GT instead cause DOOM 3 came out. You may have to be prepared to do the same (or go w/ the x800 pro)
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    edited October 2004
    Enough rich daddy cracks already. He's barely paying any tuition and bailed on my mother, brother and myself a week after I was born, so a fast computer is the least he can do.

    Anyway, Zel, thanks for the list, but I still need reviews. As far as I know, Sapphire makes the best ATI cards, but I'd like to confirm that. I found some nice deals on Sapphire XT's via pricewatch, so I'm hoping that I'm right.

    Edit: As cool as DOOM 3 is, I'm more of a Half-Life 2 guy; as such, I'm more of an ATI guy.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    The performance difference between the latest generation of cards is negligible, so really its personal choice + what you can get your hands on. Contrary to Valve's year and a half old remarks, you're gonna get great fps on whatever new card you get. My card never got a bad FPS. I think the worst it dropped to was like 40, and that was on a 60 person server and there was at least 15 people in my view.
  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    They sell them on <a href='http://www.ati.com' target='_blank'>ATi.com</a> for $499, but they're out of stock right now.

    <a href='http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2537962' target='_blank'>http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2537962</a>
  • SloppyKissesSloppyKisses omgawd a furreh&#33; Virginia Join Date: 2003-07-05 Member: 17942Members, Constellation
    try newegg.com, not sure if they have them in or not but they always have everthing in =o
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    Please don't post unless you've found a site that has them in stock, or have a useful review. And yes, I checked Newegg already. In fact, that was the first place I looked. Go figure. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SloppyKissesSloppyKisses omgawd a furreh&#33; Virginia Join Date: 2003-07-05 Member: 17942Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Narfwak+Oct 5 2004, 06:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Oct 5 2004, 06:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Please don't post unless you've found a site that has them in stock, or have a useful review. And yes, I checked Newegg already. In fact, that was the first place I looked. Go figure. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    well if you want a decent review try
    www.hardocp.com they are the best in the reviews
  • DrSuredeathDrSuredeath Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8217Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Narfwak+Oct 4 2004, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Oct 4 2004, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Note: Anyone that even <b>thinks</b> about starting an ATI versus nVidia debate here will be violated with a broom.
    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ATI r0x0rx, Nvidia T3h Sux0rs
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    I'd just wait a few days and go with the x800 XT on newegg. I don't think the PE part is really going to add THAT much
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited October 2004
    Though this is more of a self-contained review, I can't help but suggest that you go with a Built By ATi card, rather than a third-party.

    If you buy a BBA card, you know it's to spec, and will operate as intended. A third party could use cheap caps, too little thermal transfer compound on the heatsink, a bad PCB layout, cheap RAM, and so on. That and... hell, they believe in their chips enough to make their own cards, rather than foisting them off to third-party manufacturers, like a certain other video chipset manufacturer.

    (Edit: And go with the XTPE. A 10-20% performance boost is enough to let you kick 6800 Ultra EXTREEEEEEEEEEEM!!11!one!!eleven!!!!!1! owners in the face and laugh, playing HL2 at 1600x1200 at maximum settings.. rather than just sit a little bit up from them.)
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Oct 5 2004, 08:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Oct 5 2004, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Though this is more of a self-contained review, I can't help but suggest that you go with a Built By ATi card, rather than a third-party.

    If you buy a BBA card, you know it's to spec, and will operate as intended. A third party could use cheap caps, too little thermal transfer compound on the heatsink, a bad PCB layout, cheap RAM, and so on. That and... hell, they believe in their chips enough to make their own cards, rather than foisting them off to third-party manufacturers, like a certain other video chipset manufacturer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Quite possible, but sometimes its the opposite. I got an MSI 9800 pro, and when I took off the sink to check what Core and ram I got I was surprised. R360 core with Hynix 2.8ns DDR RAM. I can also OC quite far on stock cooling. (I did add a small spot of thermal paste simply because some is removed when you move around the sink) I was quite pleased.
  • BlobbyBlobby Join Date: 2004-06-11 Member: 29234Members
    There's lots on eBay. Try the dutch auctions and you can get em $100 cheaper than retail (I did). And if it doesn't come in the mail I promise you'll hear from me again. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Oct 5 2004, 06:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Oct 5 2004, 06:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They sell them on <a href='http://www.ati.com' target='_blank'>ATi.com</a> for $499, but they're out of stock right now.

    <a href='http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2537962' target='_blank'>http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2537962</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ordered mine yesterday. It better be here in time for HL2!
  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I wish my motherboard was agp8x, I lose so much potential with this 4x. Crappy Dell.

    Don't be hating though, when I got this computer I was very new to computer parts that building a custom computer at the time was an unrealistic and stupid option.
  • TheAdjTheAdj He demanded a cool forum title of some type. Join Date: 2004-05-03 Member: 28436Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Oct 5 2004, 02:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Oct 5 2004, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Oct 5 2004, 06:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Oct 5 2004, 06:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They sell them on <a href='http://www.ati.com' target='_blank'>ATi.com</a> for $499, but they're out of stock right now.

    <a href='http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2537962' target='_blank'>http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2537962</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ordered mine yesterday. It better be here in time for HL2! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What you should be saying is will hl2 be around when you have that card <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    Ebay has quite a few good deals (and more than a few bad ones) on BBA X800 XT PE's. I think I'm just going to stick with BBA given what Talesin said.

    In other news, I've got my case picked out, so now all I need is a sound card.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Narfwak+Oct 5 2004, 04:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Narfwak @ Oct 5 2004, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In other news, I've got my case picked out, so now all I need is a sound card. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=29-118-102&depa=1' target='_blank'>Clicky</a> <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    well, i might have to take back what i said about having too much money. today a doctor brought a bunch of parts in to the shop to have us set it up to run MS Flight Sim 2004.

    He needed help to figure out the video drivers for his <a href='http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=parhelia+128&btnG=Search+Froogle' target='_blank'>Matrox Parhelia 128</a> ($360) to do spanning.

    Spanning the desktop across three <a href='http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=samsung+192T&btnG=Search+Froogle' target='_blank'>Samsung 192T</a>'s ($750 each).

    Needless to say, we spent an hour playing with panoramic wallpapers and screensavers.
  • DartenDarten Join Date: 2003-09-03 Member: 20513Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Oct 5 2004, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Oct 5 2004, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wish my motherboard was agp8x, I lose so much potential with this 4x. Crappy Dell.

    Don't be hating though, when I got this computer I was very new to computer parts that building a custom computer at the time was an unrealistic and stupid option.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually I believe there have been benchmarks done which suggest, at this point in time, there is no real major difference in performance between AGP 4x and AGP 8x.
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I've cancelled my X800 XT PE order and I am now awaiting the delivery of my Sapphire X800 Pro VIVO for softmodding to XT PE speeds.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Darten+Oct 10 2004, 03:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Darten @ Oct 10 2004, 03:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Oct 5 2004, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Oct 5 2004, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wish my motherboard was agp8x, I lose so much potential with this 4x. Crappy Dell.

    Don't be hating though, when I got this computer I was very new to computer parts that building a custom computer at the time was an unrealistic and stupid option.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually I believe there have been benchmarks done which suggest, at this point in time, there is no real major difference in performance between AGP 4x and AGP 8x. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Right; AGP 4x is big enough that there's probably never a bottleneck. That's why PCI express isn't a MUST HAVE RIGHT NOW when you make a computer, because AGP is fine for now.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Oct 10 2004, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Oct 10 2004, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've cancelled my X800 XT PE order and I am now awaiting the delivery of my Sapphire X800 Pro VIVO for softmodding to XT PE speeds. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Are you sure you can softmod it? I've read bad reviews for that card, and I'm not sure if you can open up the four pipes it's missing.
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    A lot of folks on the HardOCP forums were doing it, and they recommended the Sapphire over others because of the huge heatsink it has which makes it more suitable for overclocking. Still, it's always a bit of a gamble as there's a one in sixty chance the card will either have defective pixel pipes (a total loss) or it will have been laser cut (which requires much more complicated physical modifications, not a total loss).
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