meh, in a way this is how world war one started, everyone taking little hits at each other, building up their armies in this case nucleur missles9 reading articles on right of page
bah this **** pisses a guy off <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Um, terrorists don't represent countries or governments, they represent independant organizations. That is why we should revert to comunism and illigalize interdependant thought. That way there would be no more terrorism.
Communism? Yeah, that's gonna work <i>heaps</i> well.
Can't we just go out and legalise BURNINATION of terrorists? I.e Counter-terrorist teams, instead of sitting around waiting to negotiate with the terrorists stupid enough to get in a hostage situation, figure out where the terrorists are camping, go in there with about 20 guys, and just massacre the lot of them?
And don't any of you try and spout this "humane" filth at me. Kill the scum <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Can't we just go out and legalise BURNINATION of terrorists? I.e Counter-terrorist teams, instead of sitting around waiting to negotiate with the terrorists stupid enough to get in a hostage situation, figure out where the terrorists are camping, go in there with about 20 guys, and just massacre the lot of them?
And don't any of you try and spout this "humane" filth at me. Kill the scum <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i'm sure his communism remark was sarcastic. it better be.
please tell me you're kidding. burnination? of what? random holes and caves like they're doing (did) in Iraq and Afghanistan? you can't attack an enemy when you can't see them.
also, there's a reason it's called a "hostage" situation. they have a hostage. they'll kill him/her/it. when you charge in stormtrooper style, hostages get killed. in one particular recent event, over 300 hostages were killed. and how do you suppose we'll know where they're camping? wall hacks?
We might be able to use something like 'intelligence', i hear they used that sort of thing once upon a time, and instead of sendingi n a bloody army, maybe a few teams of SAS or something. Why bomb it?
Also, why australia? DUHHH because we like, slaughter muslims all the time.. jeez
Off topic: eediot you are a CSer aren't you? because you act like one - or maybe that's juts you are 15, stop being a freaking **** towards people (not the terrorists I don't care what you think about them - I am talking about people in NS forums)
On Topic: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, why australia? DUHHH because we like, slaughter muslims all the time.. jeez<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We? Who slaughter muslims all the time? right now i don't think i am slaughtering anyone...
<!--QuoteBegin-eediot+Sep 9 2004, 09:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Sep 9 2004, 09:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We might be able to use something like 'intelligence', i hear they used that sort of thing once upon a time, and instead of sendingi n a bloody army, maybe a few teams of SAS or something. Why bomb it?
Also, why australia? DUHHH because we like, slaughter muslims all the time.. jeez <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How do you get this intelligence?
intelligence is knowing
where the terrorists are what weapons they have how many hostages they have
How do you find these out through closed doors/windows? As someone said... wall hack? lol <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
None of those killed were Australians, according to channel nine, and all they really did was dent our gates and shatter our windows.
Still, its highly probable someone was having a swipe at us, and I have to say I'm proud that my country is the target for these fanatic filth. Nothing like having evil people plotting to blow up your embassy/holiday destinations/trade buildings to convince you you're doing something right.
And yes, swiftspear is having a laugh - by poking fun at the way that socialists, no matter what problem the world is facing, only ever suggest one cure <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Wangler+Sep 9 2004, 07:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wangler @ Sep 9 2004, 07:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We? Who slaughter muslims all the time? right now i don't think i am slaughtering anyone... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 1. Yeah, it's called sarcasm. 2. Grow up. 3. Drop it.
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Yup. In short, the embassy was untouched [except for gates blown off, windows shattered and minor lacerations because of windows]. No Australians were seriously injured, but there were quite a few injuries/deaths on the civilian side outside the building.
I haven't heard of any groups claiming responsibility yet [unless I missed something]. It wasn't as bad as the Bali bombings.. but at least half of those guys got the death sentence.
australia is a target for several reasons (in indonesia)
first, our part in the war in iraq.
second, our recent attempt to pressure the indonesians into making a decision in their own courts
third, because Jemaah Islamiah, the group suspected of planning and orchestrating the terrorist act is the largest arm of Al-Qaeda in south east asia/pacific region (and al-Qaeda has said that australia will pay for supporting bush etc
fourth, there are federal election campaigns going on in Australia (and i think also in Indonesia, but I'm not sure)
fifth, possibly planned to coincide with (almost) sept 11.
and probably some things ive missed. it could be any or all of the above or even something fresh and new!
<!--QuoteBegin-eediot+Sep 9 2004, 06:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Sep 9 2004, 06:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What about East Timor? They don't like us for that whole thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah that too, you're right they weren't happy about that.
luckily no aussies hurt or injured.
its amusing; the press articles keep refering to the embassy as "fortress style"
I think the embassy was reinforced specifically to protect it against terrorist attacks like this. Notice how only the gates that it was right next to were damaged extensively, while everything around it got blown to Iraq and back?
its interesting how much coverage this is getting with american news agencies. It seems to be on all the major american news papers' web pages.
heheheh they have to point out who everyone is... and that canberra is the capital <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ah.. For the next few months, I don't think I'll notice any absences, strange behaviour or missing weapons attributed to you, Cpl Davis.. You know.. if you want to... Well, good luck.
Grr <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Where's rambo when you need him
I'll tell you what I'm worried about. Russia has declared all out war on terrorism. I'm guessing a few more like this one and you Aussie's will follow suit.
What happens when, say, America doesn't think a country is terrorist, but Russia does? Example: the chechans. Apparently, us Ameros have been having chats with their leaders. Not to say I, or we support any of this. What happens if Russia moves in for the kill and we say "no, they're our friends!!" ?
Scary. And that's before you think about a world torn apart by terrorism. The rest of us may get a taste of how it feels to be an Isreali or a Brit in the early 90's, what with cars exploding every other day.
Taking russia's previous success with 'terrorism', I'd think it's more of an excuse to terrorise the population [carpet bombing sweeps, tanks, etc] and give an excuse for their horrendous civilian losses due to terrorism.
I don't think Australia is going to commit 'war' as such, especially not in the sense Russia [probably] means it, maybe just step up security and actively go after terrorist groups.
Why are all these different groups that have been active for years suddenly lumped together? They aren't (or at least weren't..) fighting for the same causes, most of the time they aren't even communicating with eachother.
I think the US, nay, -western- media are giving an oversimplified, 2-dimensional view, and are not only doing injustice to the grave situation we are currently in but are also adding to the problem, because it's driving those organisations into eachothers hands (and driving allies apart..).
but noooo, brown = <s>COMMUNIST!!</s> TERRORIST!! Irak=terror=wmd=osama=afghanistan=iran=chechens!
That's what the Osama's out there do, scare people into compliance by portraying the enemy as 'the great evil', 1 organisation with 1 goal, Why should we stoop to their level? Do we really want people to think muslims want to kill all non-muslims? Because that's what's happening right now (especially in European countries.. long live the master race I guess.. and I used to think I lived in a rather tolerant country.) What wrong with the truth? Too complicated?
that is all =D
btw, my thoughts are with the poor people in Australia who have lost relatives, and any Indonesians that might have been killed / injured in the blast.
I don't think most people think of it that way, or even associate the things together. It's just a loud minority that would find something else to be ignorant, prejudiced, and pressuring about.
Iraq = "screwed up, unstable, economy weak, rebuilding after saddam hussein with a proper government" Terror = Terrorising civilians for political/religious purposes. WMD = Faked reasons to invade Iraq. Osama = head/influential member of the taliban [i may be wrong here]. At the very least, an important member of a terrorist organisation Afghanistan = where the russians and the guerillas have been fighting for a while [that may have ended 20 years ago, im not entirely sure <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->] Iran = near Iraq. has similar spelling. They don't like eachother. Chechen = home of the people who profess to "fight for freedom" against the russians, on behalf of the rest of the chechen people, who probably don't entirely approve of their methods.
Yikes... times like this I'm doubly glad that my country (Canada) didn't go to war in Iraq (okay so we couldn't have even if we wanted to, but still...)
<!--QuoteBegin-eediot+Sep 9 2004, 08:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Sep 9 2004, 08:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't think most people think of it that way, or even associate the things together. It's just a loud minority that would find something else to be ignorant, prejudiced, and pressuring about.
Iraq = "screwed up, unstable, economy weak, rebuilding after saddam hussein with a proper government" Terror = Terrorising civilians for political/religious purposes. WMD = Faked reasons to invade Iraq. Osama = head/influential member of the taliban [i may be wrong here]. At the very least, an important member of a terrorist organisation Afghanistan = where the russians and the guerillas have been fighting for a while [that may have ended 20 years ago, im not entirely sure <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->] Iran = near Iraq. has similar spelling. They don't like eachother. Chechen = home of the people who profess to "fight for freedom" against the russians, on behalf of the rest of the chechen people, who probably don't entirely approve of their methods. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Iraq doesn't really have a proper government yet, the leaders of the new, American installed govt are constantly having to dodge being assasinated.
Yeah, Osama wasn't the head of the Taliban, he was (is?) the head of Al-Qaeda.
The Chechens and issues facing Chechnya have been thoroughly covered in a thread in the discussion forums; and i mean Thoroughly.
The worst thing we can do is fall into the habit of supposing that one side is "good" and the other "evil" as is done too often by Bush (and others, im sure).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->btw, my thoughts are with the poor people in Australia who have lost relatives, and any Indonesians that might have been killed / injured in the blast.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> thanks, but no australians were killed or injured. they certainly managed to kill/injure a fair number of Indonesians though.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->JAKARTA, Indonesia - A Southeast Asian Islamic militant group claimed responsibility for Thursday's deadly car bomb attack outside the Australian Embassy in Jakarta, saying it was aimed at punishing Australia for supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and right in the middle of an election too. international security was never labor's forte, and now its going to be an even bigger issue... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm really hoping that this attack won't become the Tampa of 2004. Though it may have a reverse effect to what Howard might hope; he's been saying for ages that invading Iraq made Australia safer, whilst Latham has been claiming the opposite. An attack like this doesn't really give Howard's arguement much weight.
I hate to be cynical, but the first thing I thought when I saw this was - "That's awful, but at least it will help get Johnny 3 more years".
On a less serious note - you'll notice that opposite the Juice Bar, up on the UQ Union building, there is a sign saying "We Remember the Tampa - Appalling, Decietful, Unforgettable" yet there was no signs and whining in 2002 or 2003. What happened guys - did you forget the unforgettable, ur just trundle it back up because an election is looming?
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bah this **** pisses a guy off <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Can't we just go out and legalise BURNINATION of terrorists? I.e Counter-terrorist teams, instead of sitting around waiting to negotiate with the terrorists stupid enough to get in a hostage situation, figure out where the terrorists are camping, go in there with about 20 guys, and just massacre the lot of them?
And don't any of you try and spout this "humane" filth at me. Kill the scum <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Can't we just go out and legalise BURNINATION of terrorists? I.e Counter-terrorist teams, instead of sitting around waiting to negotiate with the terrorists stupid enough to get in a hostage situation, figure out where the terrorists are camping, go in there with about 20 guys, and just massacre the lot of them?
And don't any of you try and spout this "humane" filth at me. Kill the scum <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i'm sure his communism remark was sarcastic. it better be.
please tell me you're kidding. burnination? of what? random holes and caves like they're doing (did) in Iraq and Afghanistan? you can't attack an enemy when you can't see them.
also, there's a reason it's called a "hostage" situation. they have a hostage. they'll kill him/her/it. when you charge in stormtrooper style, hostages get killed. in one particular recent event, over 300 hostages were killed. and how do you suppose we'll know where they're camping? wall hacks?
EDIT: why australia? that's what i want to know.
Also, why australia? DUHHH because we like, slaughter muslims all the time.. jeez
It's 7 dead now. Jesus.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->EDIT: why australia? that's what i want to know.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We don't know, but guessing because we played a part in the Iraq war campaign. Osama said Australia would pay for supporting the U.S.
On Topic: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, why australia? DUHHH because we like, slaughter muslims all the time.. jeez<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We? Who slaughter muslims all the time? right now i don't think i am slaughtering anyone...
On topic even more so: Sucks that that happened
Also, why australia? DUHHH because we like, slaughter muslims all the time.. jeez <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How do you get this intelligence?
intelligence is knowing
where the terrorists are
what weapons they have
how many hostages they have
How do you find these out through closed doors/windows? As someone said... wall hack? lol <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Still, its highly probable someone was having a swipe at us, and I have to say I'm proud that my country is the target for these fanatic filth. Nothing like having evil people plotting to blow up your embassy/holiday destinations/trade buildings to convince you you're doing something right.
And yes, swiftspear is having a laugh - by poking fun at the way that socialists, no matter what problem the world is facing, only ever suggest one cure <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
1. Yeah, it's called sarcasm.
2. Grow up.
3. Drop it.
<back to important matters>
Yup. In short, the embassy was untouched [except for gates blown off, windows shattered and minor lacerations because of windows]. No Australians were seriously injured, but there were quite a few injuries/deaths on the civilian side outside the building.
I haven't heard of any groups claiming responsibility yet [unless I missed something]. It wasn't as bad as the Bali bombings.. but at least half of those guys got the death sentence.
first, our part in the war in iraq.
second, our recent attempt to pressure the indonesians into making a decision in their own courts
third, because Jemaah Islamiah, the group suspected of planning and orchestrating the terrorist act is the largest arm of Al-Qaeda in south east asia/pacific region (and al-Qaeda has said that australia will pay for supporting bush etc
fourth, there are federal election campaigns going on in Australia (and i think also in Indonesia, but I'm not sure)
fifth, possibly planned to coincide with (almost) sept 11.
and probably some things ive missed. it could be any or all of the above or even something fresh and new!
yeah that too, you're right they weren't happy about that.
luckily no aussies hurt or injured.
its amusing; the press articles keep refering to the embassy as "fortress style"
heheheh they have to point out who everyone is... and that canberra is the capital <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It's 7 dead now. Jesus. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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stupid terrorists, <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ah.. For the next few months, I don't think I'll notice any absences, strange behaviour or missing weapons attributed to you, Cpl Davis.. You know.. if you want to... Well, good luck.
Grr <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Where's rambo when you need him
It's 7 dead now. Jesus. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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stupid terrorists, <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
now its 11 and 160+ wounded
What happens when, say, America doesn't think a country is terrorist, but Russia does? Example: the chechans. Apparently, us Ameros have been having chats with their leaders. Not to say I, or we support any of this. What happens if Russia moves in for the kill and we say "no, they're our friends!!" ?
Scary. And that's before you think about a world torn apart by terrorism. The rest of us may get a taste of how it feels to be an Isreali or a Brit in the early 90's, what with cars exploding every other day.
I don't think Australia is going to commit 'war' as such, especially not in the sense Russia [probably] means it, maybe just step up security and actively go after terrorist groups.
Why are all these different groups that have been active for years suddenly lumped together?
They aren't (or at least weren't..) fighting for the same causes, most of the time they aren't even communicating with eachother.
I think the US, nay, -western- media are giving an oversimplified, 2-dimensional view,
and are not only doing injustice to the grave situation we are currently in but are also adding to the problem, because it's driving those organisations into eachothers hands (and driving allies apart..).
but noooo, brown = <s>COMMUNIST!!</s> TERRORIST!!
Irak=terror=wmd=osama=afghanistan=iran=chechens!
That's what the Osama's out there do, scare people into compliance by portraying the enemy as 'the great evil', 1 organisation with 1 goal,
Why should we stoop to their level?
Do we really want people to think muslims want to kill all non-muslims? Because that's what's happening right now (especially in European countries.. long live the master race I guess.. and I used to think I lived in a rather tolerant country.)
What wrong with the truth? Too complicated?
that is all =D
btw, my thoughts are with the poor people in Australia who have lost relatives, and any Indonesians that might have been killed / injured in the blast.
Iraq = "screwed up, unstable, economy weak, rebuilding after saddam hussein with a proper government"
Terror = Terrorising civilians for political/religious purposes.
WMD = Faked reasons to invade Iraq.
Osama = head/influential member of the taliban [i may be wrong here]. At the very least, an important member of a terrorist organisation
Afghanistan = where the russians and the guerillas have been fighting for a while [that may have ended 20 years ago, im not entirely sure <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->]
Iran = near Iraq. has similar spelling. They don't like eachother.
Chechen = home of the people who profess to "fight for freedom" against the russians, on behalf of the rest of the chechen people, who probably don't entirely approve of their methods.
Iraq = "screwed up, unstable, economy weak, rebuilding after saddam hussein with a proper government"
Terror = Terrorising civilians for political/religious purposes.
WMD = Faked reasons to invade Iraq.
Osama = head/influential member of the taliban [i may be wrong here]. At the very least, an important member of a terrorist organisation
Afghanistan = where the russians and the guerillas have been fighting for a while [that may have ended 20 years ago, im not entirely sure <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->]
Iran = near Iraq. has similar spelling. They don't like eachother.
Chechen = home of the people who profess to "fight for freedom" against the russians, on behalf of the rest of the chechen people, who probably don't entirely approve of their methods. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Iraq doesn't really have a proper government yet, the leaders of the new, American installed govt are constantly having to dodge being assasinated.
Yeah, Osama wasn't the head of the Taliban, he was (is?) the head of Al-Qaeda.
The Chechens and issues facing Chechnya have been thoroughly covered in a thread in the discussion forums; and i mean Thoroughly.
The worst thing we can do is fall into the habit of supposing that one side is "good" and the other "evil" as is done too often by Bush (and others, im sure).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->btw, my thoughts are with the poor people in Australia who have lost relatives, and any Indonesians that might have been killed / injured in the blast.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> thanks, but no australians were killed or injured. they certainly managed to kill/injure a fair number of Indonesians though.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->JAKARTA, Indonesia - A Southeast Asian Islamic militant group claimed responsibility for Thursday's deadly car bomb attack outside the Australian Embassy in Jakarta, saying it was aimed at punishing Australia for supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well now we know.
Oh no, wait...
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I'm really hoping that this attack won't become the Tampa of 2004. Though it may have a reverse effect to what Howard might hope; he's been saying for ages that invading Iraq made Australia safer, whilst Latham has been claiming the opposite. An attack like this doesn't really give Howard's arguement much weight.
On a less serious note - you'll notice that opposite the Juice Bar, up on the UQ Union building, there is a sign saying "We Remember the Tampa - Appalling, Decietful, Unforgettable" yet there was no signs and whining in 2002 or 2003. What happened guys - did you forget the unforgettable, ur just trundle it back up because an election is looming?