Co Related. Xenoside Is Not Newbish.

jammnojammno Join Date: 2004-01-31 Member: 25832Members Posts: 304
It's a valid strategy. Pro/Con post.
Too many times when I play CO I hear people complain about how xenoside takes no skill, is newbish, and isn't worth the three levels it takes to get.

Xenoside is an area of effect attack that is great for killing off wounded marines, or de-armoring marines in the area for your team to take out. Xenoside isn't too hard to pull off, but against that good aimer you're going to have to do somthing more than just run at him.

Leap and xenoside is your best friend in CO. When you play the marines, you know most marines travel in groups of at least three or more.

When using xenoside, the biggest benifit you get out of xenoside is denying the marines experience for your death. This will keep the marines weak and fragile while you rack in the kills.

A good xenosider will activate xenoside, leap, and get as many bites as he can before blowing up the rest of the group.

If you see a lone marine, don't xenoside him. Bite him as much as you can and if you realize that you aren't going to live (His buddies are coming, you're about to die, etc.) then activate xenoside and leap around like crazy to avoid fire.

Though you shouldn't stay an xenoside skulk the whole game. (Unless they jet pack and you aren't skilled enough to kill them as a lerk.) The best path to go from an xenoside skulk is either battlegorge or lerk.

Pros:
-Deny the enemies experience for your death. Keeping them low teir.
-Area of effect damage to weaken marines for comrades / kill stragglers.
-Constant harassment usually forces the team to go Heavy Armor. Keeping your hive safe while your team gets onos to counter.
-Motion tracking won't save them, making that upgrade useless.
-Your attacks do a small amount of damage to buildings. These add up and can make a difference.
-Very fast leveling to go primal lerk for support / comm chair destruction.
-A sense of fear to move out of base for the marines.
-Marines could split up and advance slower.

Cons:
-A team with resupply and welders won't die to you unless you get enough bites in.
-Servers without wavespawn will kill your leveling rate while causing others to wait.
-It's mainly for early/mid game.
-You won't be getting shared experience from ally kills (Much.)
-You actually have to "Work" to kill stuff.
-You're limited to battlegorge and lerk, or a sub-par fade.
-Client side you'll hear the xenoside shriek but serverside it never activated. Making you wonder why you haven't exploded yet.

Cloak xenoside = No.
Adrenaline celerity leap carapaced xenoside = Yes.
Stats: Kharaa: 24:10 (23:7) [8:2] Frontiersmen: 18:9 (6:18) [34:9]
Key: - NS wins/losses - (CO wins/losses) - [Perm Gorge/Commander wins/losses]
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  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members Posts: 3,669
    I used to love cloakwalking on top of the armory or the ceiling right above the armory, waiting for a whole bunch of armory humpers to gather round, and BOOOM!

    This was back when you could get xeno at lvl3.....and I still used cloaking....
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation Posts: 1,301
    QUOTE (jammno @ Sep 1 2004, 08:52 AM)
    Adrenaline celerity leap carapaced xenoside = Yes.

    Add regen(gorg) and sof(xeno must) there and you have the perfect webber/xenoer.


    With one good webber rines cant win without gl spam/welders. jp`s are also useless....
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  • VerthandiVerthandi Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10687Members, NS1 Playtester Posts: 1,061
    Just thought I'd point out that it's 'xenocide' with a 'c', not an 's'.
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation Posts: 3,203
    Sovereign rule of any competitive activity -

    If they win, its because they're cheating or because they're doing something lame. Whatever you are using involves "skills", whatever they are doing that is beating your "skills" does not involve "skills".

    Also known as:

    "Now remember, any time someone kills you in Counter Strike, it MUST be cheating."


    Example:

    Q: Marines have JP/Shotty combos. You take focus to take advantage of their lack of armour. You 1 hit kill them over and over. Lame, or not?

    A: You are lame! You should be a gorge and sit with your back to them so they can knife kill you. Focus needs no "skills", a one hit kill shotty does.

    Q: Its a small CO match, you've been lucky with your kills but the marines have weapon upgrades. You go Onos to counter this and hopefully act as a stompspamming meatshield so your team can get more res.

    A:You are lame! Stomp is lame because it needs no "skills". Because you're not moving, its almost like camping! You should be an SoF skulk and let the marines shoot you with their superior weaponry.

    Q: Marines are clustered up, they move in teams. You need a clearance weapon, so you rush for Xenocide. Your xenospam manages to break up the rines and disorganise them so that your team can exploit their weakness.

    A: Exploiting their weakness is an EXPLOIT!!11 You should be banned. Xeno needs no "skills", you just run into a room after triggering it.





    I hope thats cleared things up for your gaming experience. In short, as an Alien player you are expected to lose and lose badly to any marine team, because their long range weaponry, sieges, and turret farms all require "skills", whereas ambushing marines at short range with CC only weaponry require no "skills".
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation Posts: 3,175
    Xenocide is the bomb! wink-fix.gif

    (both literally and metaphorically)

    People just complain it's a lame strategy when you n00bize them with it. That's all. I wouldn't worry about them. Xenocide is, as i have said before, the Kharaa's ulitmate/end-game weapon. Xenocide rushing while onos is charging, fades give tactile close support and lerks and gorges give healing&buffing support.


    I like to go xenociding in small groups in a formation I like to call: "bombing runs"

    I'll ask: "Hey does anyone want to go on a bombing run with me and get a lot of frags?" The serious players will be like :-O <--> :-) and come with me. I lead the formation and have several tricks. (I'm used to 2.01 so I'm not sure how it works now)

    Anyways the formation is I'm leading and everyone else if flaning and trying to be on the ceiling or walls as much as possible. Depending of factors I usually run either a continous stream of xenocide (one after another) or a synchonized strike. For synchonized strikes I have my mates jump ahead of me right before I blow (they have a split delay) and when I blow you see the combined force of a blast-propelled leap. Usually allow ing the skulks to zip though the air at over 500 wcu/sec uaually landing behind the marin blockade in their spawn. It's really hard to coordinate so usualy I just have all of the skulks on a synchonized bomb run go at same time. The sudden death of all the marines from a synchonized strike allows the fades to blink in there and whack away at the IPs.

    One of the funniest things was when we were planning to do a synchonized strike but a fade and onos were already decimating their base. Then "bacon!" It was ammusing because all of the skulks were waiting arround bored for the map to end and we all went BOOM. And all the marines died again. It must have really sucked to me a marine that day. biggrin-fix.gif
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  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 6,781 Fully active user
    I agree - Xeno is in no way nubby. And don't bombing runs just kick @&#036;$? Just be sure you alternate who goes in first as the first person to xeno is unlikely to get many kills.

    Also, a few skulks with Xeno working in coordination with a spore lerk is a devastating combo. No armor = dead with 1 blast.
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  • MaximusMaximus Join Date: 2004-09-01 Member: 31175Members Posts: 22
    Funny my job in some co matches (when we still played in em) was to xeno! But of course after they got jps I would go web gorge.... works pretty well for teammates if armored rines come tounge.gif
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  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver Posts: 4,381 Advanced user
    necrosis.. you just said everything I wanted to say perfectly. smile-fix.gif
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  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation Posts: 3,175
    edited September 2004
    QUOTE (Dragon_Mech @ Sep 1 2004, 01:46 PM)
    I agree - Xeno is in no way nubby. And don't bombing runs just kick @&#036;$? Just be sure you alternate who goes in first as the first person to xeno is unlikely to get many kills.

    That's what I'm saying. Often time I will play the wagner song when we leave the hive in formation.

    much roflcopters

    Nah I don't care if I don't get the frags, it's all for the team with me. hive5.gif
    I get a thrill out of getting to lead the final assault and enjoy all of the laughs that come when I play the song.


    I'm also notorious for leading beginning of the game rushes. Ever seen a game end in 20sec? biggrin-fix.gif

    *starts playing some appropiate charge music*
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  • TheGlowTheGlow Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9650Members Posts: 325
    I know. Every game im alien, someones crying about something.
    Only valid cry I hear is when theres 4 fades in the MS and no ones hitting the chair and they just want kills.
    I know sometimes its fun, but i sures hell hate spawn campers with shotties so I do the rines a favor and eat the chair for em.

    Yea I get a lil upset sometimes as a celerity lerk flying like crazy and some guys shots never miss me.
    But unlike most people i know fps games existed before Cstrike and that there is that little known of thing called skill.

    I wish I had a list of all the servers i got banned in cstrike because a headshot with a deagle is totally impossible.
    Cstrike was fun before it went retail. odd how going retail also made the black vip become a white guy.
  • Rapier7Rapier7 Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26108Members Posts: 1,216 Fully active user
    Ride of the Valkyries?

    Because I agree, that song kicks **** when you have the feeling of a massive impending invasion.
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  • LofungLofung Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members Posts: 903
    xeno and sof rocks.
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  • ShadowSlayShadowSlay Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21009Members Posts: 86
    Xeno is great for breaking up groups of shotgun rushing marines.
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  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver Posts: 4,381 Advanced user
    its even simpler.

    rines are strong in groups. So strong they are near impossible to stop. Xeno is made to attack groups, which helps stopping them.
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation Posts: 1,301
    Obviously biggest con in xeno, is that if you have even two xenoer, your gonna sit much longer on spawnque. thou those end game 4/3kill xeno`s, often launch the final assault.
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  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members Posts: 2,246
    It's invaluable to have someone go leap->xeno->gorge w/web (with whatever upgrades you want mixed in, definately adren) in a combat scrim/match.

    That and have a lerk. Armor-stripped marines have no chance against xeno.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation Posts: 3,175
    QUOTE (taboofires @ Sep 2 2004, 12:16 PM)
    That and have a lerk. Armor-stripped marines have no chance against xeno.

    definitely true.

    When is xenocide not an instnat kill at close range? How much armor do you need to survive it?
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation Posts: 1,301
    I would also like to to know about xenos exact range on both x and y axis. But also how much it take armor off /or kills with x armor.

    Do they rine need to be completely non-armored? and does ha go down even with 100hp?

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  • NukeAJSNukeAJS Join Date: 2004-05-04 Member: 28443Members Posts: 187
    I know this is not the topic but xeno skulks in NS maps = the end.
  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation Posts: 1,301
    QUOTE (NukeAJS @ Sep 3 2004, 03:23 AM)
    I know this is not the topic but xeno skulks in NS maps = the end.

    It`s not because of the xeno unless its been epic-hour ha-train blockage war.....

    It`s because if you get 3 hive up, it Allmost always, means aliens have complete map diminance.....

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  • j3stj3st Join Date: 2004-06-28 Member: 29602Members Posts: 239
    xeno does 200 damage to my knowledge..

    does 1 marines armor = 2hp?
  • SinSpawnSinSpawn Harbinger of Suffering Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8359Members Posts: 1,684
    xeno spam is a good counter for GL spam, give them back what they deserve!
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  • pSyk0mAnpSyk0mAn Nerdish by Nature Germany Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer Posts: 1,722 Advanced user
    edited September 2004
    QUOTE (j3st @ Sep 3 2004, 03:51 AM)
    xeno does 200 damage to my knowledge..

    does 1 marines armor = 2hp?

    Think so, but that would mean fresh AU1 rines are killed by a xeno blast
    100hp + 2*45ap = 190 hp < 200 dmg
    and that isn't true!
    Damage must be lower, I guess 150 with small-medium radius and big falloff
    from my experiences.


  • wallerwaller Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28281Members Posts: 784
    It will onyl do 200hp dmg if you're right next to them
    The further away, the less damage i thinks.
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation Posts: 3,203
    Nope, its not because of three hives, because any nub can tell you that even three hive aliens have to sit through a looong endgame.

    Xeno really does put the shine on the game. Marines can't defend against it, and a caracelersof skulk is an armour plated guided missile. And with beta 5, you'll be able to do primal xenocide as well as have less knockback. Also, because there's NO alien knockback you can finally do seriously coordinated xenospam rushes. With two onos camping the MS exits, you only need one solid xeno rush to level a marine base, and the onos can march in and snafu the IPs/buildings while the skulks all respawn for the second wave.

    Xeno is an awesome weapon as the only way to avoid it is to crouch behind a building and hope the skulk isn't above you. And even if you don't die, it'll send you hurtling around base, making it that much easier for aliens to sweep you up.
  • tuutti2tuutti2 Join Date: 2004-02-11 Member: 26392Members Posts: 30
    In co, i will do much more damage to marine team with fade. Xeno costs same than fade.

    Usually this is trua. Sometimes it might be good idea to use xeno instead. And ofcourse, xeno is good if you are planning to gorge.
  • jammnojammno Join Date: 2004-01-31 Member: 25832Members Posts: 304
    Primal Xeno = Good game.
    Stats: Kharaa: 24:10 (23:7) [8:2] Frontiersmen: 18:9 (6:18) [34:9]
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  • XenixXenix Join Date: 2004-04-30 Member: 28340Members Posts: 90
    xeno in combat is restarded though. you cant rush because you have to gesate first to get ready. ne co spawn is not a good thingy.
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  • jammnojammno Join Date: 2004-01-31 Member: 25832Members Posts: 304
    I haven't played NS since the new patch because I've been busy with leagues in other games, but are you telling me every time you die, you have to re-gestate to learn xenocide every time you respawn?
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  • XenixXenix Join Date: 2004-04-30 Member: 28340Members Posts: 90
    yup, now that beta 5 is out.
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