The Final Straw -- Cc Blocking
Scolly_the_bush_ant
Join Date: 2004-08-29 Member: 30992Members
Join Date: 2004-08-29 Member: 30992Members
i know htere have been countless threads about this and the general consensus is that if rines have teh res to spam cc's everywhere then the aliens have more important things to think about.
in Australia on all optus (telecomunications provider, they are one of the 2 major server providers for ns) servers a new law has come into being - NO CC BLOCKING now this has resulted in bans coming fast and hard not only to nubs but well established players a vet frined of mine was banned today, now if there were an official word from the ns team that would settle it once and for all an OFFICIAL WORD then this could be avoided,
new and stupid rules are coming into being all over the place, another which ticked me off is NO MINE LADDERS and NO ATTACKING HIVE TO MC THERE, these are core parts of the game in my opinion i think that a ruleset should be developed solving ONCE AND FOR ALL these issues it should state WHAT IS PERMISSIBLE - for cc blocking my opinion is and always has been if the ns coders wanted to prevent cc blocking they would impose a limit on the nuber of command chairs in a map- say 3, or a limit to the number in one area or something. - but they havent
now the help of the ns team in this matter would be greatly appreciated by the whole community to prevent people making up rules who have no right to, as they are in no way responsible for the development of the game and their decisions are impacting the community, half these people dont even play or really suck at ns
what are your opinions
NOTE i am WELL aware on the NUMEROUS POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT so dont start a flaming war the opinions i seek is wether an official ruleset should be imposed by the ns team to decide once and for all these matters
in Australia on all optus (telecomunications provider, they are one of the 2 major server providers for ns) servers a new law has come into being - NO CC BLOCKING now this has resulted in bans coming fast and hard not only to nubs but well established players a vet frined of mine was banned today, now if there were an official word from the ns team that would settle it once and for all an OFFICIAL WORD then this could be avoided,
new and stupid rules are coming into being all over the place, another which ticked me off is NO MINE LADDERS and NO ATTACKING HIVE TO MC THERE, these are core parts of the game in my opinion i think that a ruleset should be developed solving ONCE AND FOR ALL these issues it should state WHAT IS PERMISSIBLE - for cc blocking my opinion is and always has been if the ns coders wanted to prevent cc blocking they would impose a limit on the nuber of command chairs in a map- say 3, or a limit to the number in one area or something. - but they havent
now the help of the ns team in this matter would be greatly appreciated by the whole community to prevent people making up rules who have no right to, as they are in no way responsible for the development of the game and their decisions are impacting the community, half these people dont even play or really suck at ns
what are your opinions
NOTE i am WELL aware on the NUMEROUS POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT so dont start a flaming war the opinions i seek is wether an official ruleset should be imposed by the ns team to decide once and for all these matters
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In conclusion if there was a cap to 2 CCs at a time in a game that is 9v9 or above, that would be nice.
By the way, it's a fact Flayra thinks CC blocking is legit. This has been known... since 2.01? Someone has the mIRC quote somewhere.
i personally have no need or want for pistol scripts i find i can shoot as well as a script if not better especially at moving targets when short 3 round bursts are required, i do however use a blink/leap/knife script in which my mouse 4 is set to fire one of the three and goes back to slot 1 when i release, it makes fingers less sore especially during repeated fading etc, anyway ..
Mines on ladders hasn't really bothered me yet. I know they block marines from climbing up ladders. However, it's only of minor annoyance. Most of the time, aliens kill themselves on the mines before anybody would complain about getting stuck.
Anyway, what do you mean about "No more attacking the hive to MC there"? Are the aliens doing it with FF, or is a marine just shooting it? Don't know why it would problem... yet...
And he hasn't removed it yet.
I'm not saying I agree with said rules, but I don't see your base of argument here.
and its not privately owned, its a multi million dollar corporation, they got dozens of servers for all the half life mods
If the Server Admins say that the CC blocking is not allowed on there server then that is the rule. Flayra and the other Dev have nothing to say about server rules (unless they own a server like voogru).
And whatever flayra says, anywhere or at anytime is "official word".
Let me try and explain this to you..
There are many servers who enforce a no swearing rule. Now say you want to swear...but these rules cause you to get kick banned. The natural selection team cannot say "all swearing is aloud and thats that!" It just can't be done. The people who run these servers decide these rules.
and pooh bears right , the devs team can't tell people how to run their servers
CC blocking is generally frowned upon (because it's "omg u keel me wit da stationary object!!!1") so some servers ban it. Hey, that's the way it is. Just gotta find a better server with better pings and your set.
what im saying is that there should be official rules for the game, now, listen, are you listening? ok? listen ok! i dont care aobut the servers what im saying is that there should be an official ruleset for the game its like any game computer or otherwise there are rules take cricket now there is backyard cricket and there is cricket, is what im saying
IF SERVERS WANT TO PLAY BACKYARD CRICKET THEN LET THEM but there should be OFFICIAL RULES FOR PROPLER GAMES WHERE THE RULES ARE UNIVERSAL not this piecewise **** that ppl make up their own rules, if someone wants to impose a no swearing ban or whatever LET THEM BUT MAKE SOME BASIC RULES AS A GUIDELINE - optus doesnt give a **** about the games they provide for, it is after noobs crying about how my onos got knifed because he cc blocked me and i cant get over a cc that they imposed this if it were an official rule optus would say shh its a rule live with it, you people are not understanding what im saying, if it were an official rule of the game that cc blockign is permitted (and im not JUST TALKING ABOUT CC BLOCKIGN ONCE AGAIN READ MY ORIGINAL THREAD) they would adhere as teh servers they are prividi9ng mainly serve as ads for their company oterwise they wouldnt call them optus servers etc it is teh principle ppl, if there were official rules people would adhere to them, there will always be backyard cricket and that is fine but these companys follow the rules of the game in order to allow the community to play since tehre are no rules some guy is making up his own - i give up you people are obvioulsy not understanding me
what im saying is that there should be official rules for the game, now, listen, are you listening? ok? listen ok! i dont care aobut the servers what im saying is that there should be an official ruleset for the game its like any game computer or otherwise there are rules take cricket now there is backyard cricket and there is cricket, is what im saying
IF SERVERS WANT TO PLAY BACKYARD CRICKET THEN LET THEM but there should be OFFICIAL RULES FOR PROPLER GAMES WHERE THE RULES ARE UNIVERSAL not this piecewise **** that ppl make up their own rules, if someone wants to impose a no swearing ban or whatever LET THEM BUT MAKE SOME BASIC RULES AS A GUIDELINE - optus doesnt give a **** about the games they provide for, it is after noobs crying about how my onos got knifed because he cc blocked me and i cant get over a cc that they imposed this if it were an official rule optus would say shh its a rule live with it, you people are not understanding what im saying, if it were an official rule of the game that cc blockign is permitted (and im not JUST TALKING ABOUT CC BLOCKIGN ONCE AGAIN READ MY ORIGINAL THREAD) they would adhere as teh servers they are prividi9ng mainly serve as ads for their company oterwise they wouldnt call them optus servers etc it is teh principle ppl, if there were official rules people would adhere to them, there will always be backyard cricket and that is fine but these companys follow the rules of the game in order to allow the community to play since tehre are no rules some guy is making up his own - i give up you people are obvioulsy not understanding me <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There *IS* a official rules set. Its what you can do in game and what you can't do in game. Bunnyhop as a marine? Sure. Crouchfade all the time? No prob.
IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE IDIOTS, DON'T COME HERE TO COMPLAIN.
There is no official statement because Natural Selection is customizable. What this means is however a server admin wants that server to be run, we attempt to accomodate them.
Generally if the NS team wants to set a "rule" as you have stated then they alter the code to make it impossible to do. For example, marine bunnyhopping has been removed because Flayra/the dev team decided it didn't fit with the game or was exploitable. CC blocking at this time is a legal and legit tactic by the fact it's still in, however I'll see if I can get a more "official statement" to that effect.
If you are interested in having a specific set of servers changing their rules then I'd petition the server owners/admins.
Ironically the same people who invent frivolous rules also suck at the game and cry all night long.
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Those words are so true commie, brings to mind that cs vid...OMG you F'ing hacker, leave now before the admin banns you! Heh
Let's take an example of TS. Barretts are in the game, and the dev team has announced that the weapon is fair game. However, some servers decide to set a "No Barrrets" rule.
So even if an official word was out, the servers can choose to deviate from it and make up their own rules, regardless of whatever is officially deemed lame or fine.
I will take an example of NS from here. As we all know, using /kill to escape dying by devour, and bypassing the timer for devour, is an exploit as stated by playtesters and devs. However, some servers will still allow that to slide (though I doubt many play in them)
Err...I think I'm spewing nonsense but here's the thing I wanted to say....
<b>Server admns can choose wether or not to follow the same set of rules laid down by the dev team</b>. I know it's not really possible to manipulate things like res flow for aliens, or whatever gameplay mechanics that are set in stone, but rules set by the server admins are the rules only on their servers, such as CC blocking.
For example, 'card x' may be agreed as legitimate in a private 'between friends' game, but that same card may be banned from all official M:tG Tournaments because it falls under a certain area (such as "too old to be ballanced properly" or something) and if you're found using it, you're thrown out of the tournament.
The same thing should be done with any highly-competative game; a set of rules dictating how each game in each possible gameplay type should be played with. For example: "No official tournament-match servers having more then 6 to 8 players per team for a total of 12 to 16 players" ... but i didn't just pull this rule out of thin air; NS's current resource system is seriously thrown out of whack when more then 'x' amount of players is reached.
As well, going back to the M:tG example, even if Wizards of the Coast doesn't host the tournament but is deemed official by them, then they still dictate what rules are to be set in place - another company may 'host the server' but the dev team's position is greater then all, and should be heeded accordingly.
[of course your average 'joe NS server' isn't official; it is once more a "private between friends game", even though actions may not be like that between friends...]
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He did so? Interesting. Lets have a look at the allmighty faq.
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Excess blood (gibs, gore)
Manned guns/gun emplacements
Sniper rifles
Anything not fitting NS' gritty feel (this means laser guns, plasma rifles, energy weapons, akimbo weapons, etc.)
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If you ask me this "legit tactics" Bull**** is an excuse for not fixing an exploit.
I think your problem lies in, there's absolutely no reason why OPTUS admins would need/want to listen to any 'Official' rulings. It's their server, welcome to the United Emirates of Them.
While an 'Official' ruling might sway a few, they simply don't have to listen/obey. And that's the end of the matter, whether you get one or not, I'm afraid.
@ Legat. Why would Flayra & Co. go to all the trouble of resolving all the various exploits they already have (Silent marine bhop, Armoury spam, clustered buildings, amongst the piles of others discovered in-house that are never made public) and then proceed to 'escape' fixing something like this. One thing you can't accuse the team of is laziness.
@ Maveric :
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The day NS takes on M:TG systems is the day I hunt down Nem 0 with a spoon. A rusty one.
@ PS_Mouse & Infinitum : I'm sure when I was there last the Aus NS community wasn't this irate. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
- Shockwave
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->@ Legat. Why would Flayra & Co. go to all the trouble of resolving all the various exploits they already have (Silent marine bhop, Armoury spam, clustered buildings, amongst the piles of others discovered in-house that are never made public) and then proceed to 'escape' fixing something like this. One thing you can't accuse the team of is laziness.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do not accuse them of laziness, but its one thing to fix an exploit that actually "imbalances" the game because it favors one side, like silent bunnyhopping compared to fix an exploit that is somehow balancing the game.
Let's take Marinebouncing, or whatever you like to call it. It is considered legit. I heard varous excuses why its still in game.
Some say, it resembles the marines evasive maneuvers that can't be displayed otherwhise, other say it adds "da skillz" to the game and many other reasons.
Regardless of what some people say, it is annoying and kills much of the games atmosphere. Besides, it flaws the games fundametal concept of different teams (Firepower vs. closecombat), because it gives marines a considerable amount of closequarter survivability.
Yet, its not fixed because it is actually nessesary to balance the game. Biting marines would be simply too easy otherwhise, and fixing it would require complete rebalancing.
Same goes for things like DMS. There is a solution for the problem which is existing as long as NS itself. It's unchaining the chambers. Its simple. Theres alread a plugin for it. Its fun. Yet, it is not going to be implemented (at least at this time) because it would require additional testing and rebalancing.
The devs are not lazy, but they tend to deny some of the really big issues and call them "legit".