<!--QuoteBegin-HanzGrub3r+Aug 23 2004, 03:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HanzGrub3r @ Aug 23 2004, 03:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>ssjyoda</b> - I don't know what has crawled up your **** but whatever it is - I didn't put it there, so don't take it out on me..
Funny that - I have never seen you round here before either..
<b>"Who in gods name gives you the right to come in here and preach what you think is so important."</b> - It's called free speech dude...I'm only offering my point of view. If you are so insecure that you think I am attacking you or your work - grow up and get over yourself..
<b>"You've been here since the beginning but don't know the names of the maps"</b> - I know them by sight not by name. lol. I've been playing DOD for a while as well but I don't know the maps by name in that either - big deal..
<b>"Maybe you should go back and do a lil HW before you start talking cause you really sound like someone who doesn't know what they are talkin about."</b> - Oh I don't do I? I've been mapping for this mod since the beginning. I was in these forums as the legendary first maps were made - saw the blood, the sweat and the tears that went into making them as great as they are. I talked with ken20banks on numerous occassion about this very issue that i've brought up - and he agrees!
<b>"again, its all a matter of preference, you said yourself your not a great mapper. Well, then, you should be the one taking advice from the ones who do know what they are doing. Cause, simply, most ppl are already doing what you oh so kindly suggested."</b> - It's called modesty dude - just cause I am not quick to blow my own trumpet doesn't mean I can't map. And if everyone was doing what I oh so kindly suggested - then why do most of the new maps look the same? why do we always seem to be helping reclaim a spaceship that has been infested... you're missing the point.. AT NO POINT DID I EVER BAG OUT ANY OF THE OFFICIAL MAPS! PERIOD! EVER! NOT ONCE! I LOVE THE OFFICIAL MAPS - they are all original - they are all fresh... My post was for the current crop of mappers eagerly trying to make the next Hera clone..
<b>"Most of us have been here from the beginning, and mapping very well since, includin myself. So, in that sense, you are the new guy. You can't walk in and expect everyone to take every word you say, you need to prove yourself not to be an idiot first."</b> - New guy huh? prior to the forum reset I had one of the highest post counts on this particular board - I lost the internet for 1 year and came back in february 04 - now I can't get my original nick back (HanzGruber - I have hanzgrub3r now) because my email has changed and Mons doesn't seem to be admin any more... The point is - I have nothing to prove to you... You can think I am the "new guy" all you like - doesn't make it so. If it makes you feel more secure - I'll agree with everything you say: fine you are right...happy now?
As for the rest of you: I'm only trying to get you guys to make the best maps you can... take my advice like a grain of salt... I just know what has worked for me and the team I'm in - and I'd like to share the wealth of that idea... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hanz, like many here, we don't really care about what you're saying, we're happy as things are. I think thats what one of the guys your referring to in your post was stating, then you blabbed on about the past and knowing official mappers. Bottom line, we don't care.
<!--QuoteBegin-HanzGrub3r+Aug 23 2004, 04:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HanzGrub3r @ Aug 23 2004, 04:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>Thursday</b> - THAT'S FINE - BE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE - OMG - why do people take things so personally.. BE HAPPY - but would you cut the personal attacks..
When were you elected official spokesman for the forums? All I did was put forward my thoughts. FINE! you don't care - that's great! I'm happy for you - can't say that I think randomly putting rooms together is a good methodology - but hey, each to their own... As I said to ssjyoda - all I am doing is offerring ideas that have worked for me and the team I am in - and passing them on... YOU DON'T LIKE THEM - FINE! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Its not really directed at mapping, but the extra the mapper whats to add on. No one is taking it personally, just trying to save you some time.
[edit] oh and there is no need to flame at a load of us putting forward our own thoughts, read the forum rules? or are you better than that aswell as being better than us? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->[/edit]
MasterGgmfbstJoin Date: 2003-08-24Member: 20169Members, Squad Five Blue
Ok, I've read the whole first post and agree/disagree, mostly disagree(I do things my way..) And yes, I do take this personally as you're saying this should in my map thread... (Well, that would be 2k off topic anyway so I'm glad you made a new one.)
But I just simply have to ask..
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yep, the blue glowing border strip thingy is really nice and there is nothing visually wrong with this map - but there is nothing (besides the blue strip glowy thingy) new either. There is this sameness that bothers me so much.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seriously, do I have a glowing border strip in my map?? Did you put it there or am i blind? You talking about wrong map with that border strip.. I think you mean the map Umbra, by Kalessin..
I mentioned, that I do things my way, not the way someone nearly commands me to do things.. Yes I said I would get a backstory for the map.. But that time is over. I'm plenty annoyed for me and all the others who disagree with you.
I give up guys - seriously...I love mapping for this mod..I love the community here ...I'm just trying to help - obviously unsuccessfully
<b>Kabelen</b> - I think what happened was I had two threads open and I got yours mixed up with the other one.. my bad dude...sorry...
(Edit)I'm editting all my posts - my intention was not to offend - I'll keep doing things my way - you guys keep going your way..and I just hope that the next lot of custom maps are not hera/veil/bast clones with no attempt to draw players into the fantasy world which is "Natural Selection"
<!--QuoteBegin-Kabelen+Aug 23 2004, 04:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kabelen @ Aug 23 2004, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, I've read the whole first post and agree/disagree, mostly disagree(I do things my way..) And yes, I do take this personally as you're saying this should in my map thread... (Well, that would be 2k off topic anyway so I'm glad you made a new one.)
But I just simply have to ask..
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yep, the blue glowing border strip thingy is really nice and there is nothing visually wrong with this map - but there is nothing (besides the blue strip glowy thingy) new either. There is this sameness that bothers me so much.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seriously, do I have a glowing border strip in my map?? Did you put it there or am i blind? You talking about wrong map with that border strip.. I think you mean the map Umbra, by Kalessin..
I mentioned, that I do things my way, not the way someone nearly commands me to do things.. Yes I said I would get a backstory for the map.. But that time is over. I'm plenty annoyed for me and all the others who disagree with you.
Also: GOOD ONE Mendasp, ssjyoda, and thursday- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Never noticed Mendasp' comment earlier. Although HanzGrub3r if you insist on knowing what my first comment of the thread meant, Mendasp' comment has the answer.
Oh and Hanz, please do not privately message me a page of flame, thanks.
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
then u can be helpful, and make it a suggestion, instead of comin out and sayin this is the way to do things....
have u ever thought that most custom maps only stay custom cause they dont have any depth, poor layout, or overall don't look nice. These are things that everyone has pointed out. You've said nothing new, at all, everyone knows, everyone helps out.
<b>Thursday</b> - That was a flame? I thought I'd talk to you 1 on 1..man to man if you will... I guess not: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> QUOTE - Hanzgrub3r Thanks for so quickly dismissing my opinion - just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to presume to think everyone will..
My intention behind the post was never to change anyones mind about how they do things or whatever - WHAT I DID WANT TO DO was make people think a bit more - think outside the box if you will..
thanks to your post and ssjyoda - you've destroyed any credibility of what I said - I'm not shattered by some guys on the internet thinking my thoughts suck - but when the next crop of custom maps get brought to the table - and they are all hera, bast and veil clones - you can thank yourself...
QUOTE - Thursday I'd rather you not message me a flame, rather you flame me in a forum thread to allow me less of my time wasting on contacting a mod. They will be notified of this message.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's really sad dude... My message was me trying to say - "come on, fair go" because you've dragged my name through the mud...
I'm trying to do the right thing here...and you are just becoming more and more childish..
<!--QuoteBegin-ssjyoda+Aug 23 2004, 11:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ Aug 23 2004, 11:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> then u can be helpful, and make it a suggestion, instead of comin out and sayin this is the way to do things....
have u ever thought that most custom maps only stay custom cause they dont have any depth, poor layout, or overall don't look nice. These are things that everyone has pointed out. You've said nothing new, at all, everyone knows, everyone helps out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I never said "this is the way to do things" - that's taking me out of context..I merely suggested a method that works for me..
<!--QuoteBegin-HanzGrub3r+Aug 23 2004, 04:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HanzGrub3r @ Aug 23 2004, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>Thursday</b> - That was a flame? I thought I'd talk to you 1 on 1..man to man if you will... I guess not: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> QUOTE - Hanzgrub3r Thanks for so quickly dismissing my opinion - just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to presume to think everyone will..
My intention behind the post was never to change anyones mind about how they do things or whatever - WHAT I DID WANT TO DO was make people think a bit more - think outside the box if you will..
thanks to your post and ssjyoda - you've destroyed any credibility of what I said - I'm not shattered by some guys on the internet thinking my thoughts suck - but when the next crop of custom maps get brought to the table - and they are all hera, bast and veil clones - you can thank yourself...
QUOTE - Thursday I'd rather you not message me a flame, rather you flame me in a forum thread to allow me less of my time wasting on contacting a mod. They will be notified of this message.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's really sad dude... My message was me trying to say - "come on, fair go" because you've dragged my name through the mud...
I'm trying to do the right thing here...and you are just becoming more and more childish.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Name through the mud? You mean your flaming has caused a certain amount credibility and reputation to be damaged?
Re-think the post, especially when you removed your flaming posts 30 seconds before hand. Copy of the private message is below if anyone is interested
Titled "Good Work" <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> good work, Aug 23 2004, 04:10 PM
Thanks for so quickly dismissing my opinion - just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to presume to think everyone will..
My intention behind the post was never to change anyones mind about how they do things or whatever - WHAT I DID WANT TO DO was make people think a bit more - think outside the box if you will..
thanks to your post and ssjyoda - you've destroyed any credibility of what I said - I'm not shattered by some guys on the internet thinking my thoughts suck - but when the next crop of custom maps get brought to the table - and they are all hera, bast and veil clones - you can thank yourself...<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
Thursday - I didn't know how to quote the actual pm - I'm sorry for not knowing how to do that - I already copied and pasted word for word what you and I wrote..
I don't get what you are trying to do?
I already said - my intention was not offend - so I'll delete the posts ... that was me admitting that I may have offended and that was not my intention....what are you trying to do? I can't apologise more than I have...
A good post destroyed by a bunch of idiots... I'm thinking about reporting this thread until a huge flamewar is released (which already happened, I guess).
<!--QuoteBegin-HanzGrub3r+Aug 23 2004, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HanzGrub3r @ Aug 23 2004, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thursday - I didn't know how to quote the actual pm - I'm sorry for not knowing how to do that - I already copied and pasted word for word what you and I wrote..
I don't get what you are trying to do?
I already said - my intention was not offend - so I'll delete the posts ... that was me admitting that I may have offended and that was not my intention....what are you trying to do? I can't apologise more than I have... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Trying to do? I succeeded, you keep going "I Don't mean to offend" although clearly that private message is intended to offend. Now please, be on with your way sir,
<!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Aug 23 2004, 04:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Aug 23 2004, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No one is taking it personally, just trying to save you some time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No need for an apology. Like I said before ... No one is taking it personally.
<!--QuoteBegin-Naigel+Aug 23 2004, 04:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Naigel @ Aug 23 2004, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ah, I see... well... reported. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Would have been better if you reported it with the flames that Hanz removed, oh well someone has to lock this thread soon though..
<!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Aug 23 2004, 03:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Aug 23 2004, 03:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Aug 23 2004, 02:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Aug 23 2004, 02:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One of the most important parts of making a unique map is having custom art assets, and they're pretty hard to come by. It's often not a case of mappers not wanting to be original, but rather they're hampered by the overused resources available. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Like the how the wall_lab set over-used in the same fashion as Eclipse way back at V1.x? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly. I'd really love it if I had the talent to creat kicking textures, but sadly I don't. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well, I think that people should at least have a purpose. There should be other possibilities taken into concideration. Why just research facilities and space stations? How about...a colony or some place where people could stay, say a luxury... ^_^ (ala the current map I am making... ns_cleveland... I'll post some screenies when its half done).
And on the map "clones" topic: how about we get some more textures? Right now, I'm doing a set for my map now, so that will be some new stuff to use. And think of new architextures to try! Watch some scifi movies or a Star Trek episode or two. Find new ideas! Creativity FTW!
Now that I've read this thread through I think many good points have been given. Yet I'm surprised by the negative response some people gave as I don't see anything offending in HanzGrub3rs posts.
It'd be good if all mappers thought how they could improve their work. I think that all mappers should put at least some effort on making maps realistic. By realistic I mean rooms with some kind of meaning (I'm sorry for repeating what has already been expressed).
This is essential to make maps 'never to be forgotten'. I myself think it's important to have impressive looking rooms that occasionally make players stop, look around and admire the work put into map. That is, if you want your map to stand out from the mass...
<!--QuoteBegin-TheDestroyer+Aug 23 2004, 05:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheDestroyer @ Aug 23 2004, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *Climbs out of the flames*
Well, I think that people should at least have a purpose. There should be other possibilities taken into concideration. Why just research facilities and space stations? How about...a colony or some place where people could stay, say a luxury... ^_^ (ala the current map I am making... ns_cleveland... I'll post some screenies when its half done).
And on the map "clones" topic: how about we get some more textures? Right now, I'm doing a set for my map now, so that will be some new stuff to use. And think of new architextures to try! Watch some scifi movies or a Star Trek episode or two. Find new ideas! Creativity FTW! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The mod designer makes the purpose, in which NS is a dark alien themed modification in which spaceships and space stations are the setting, like a movie.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now that I've read this thread through I think many good points have been given. Yet I'm surprised by the negative response some people gave as I don't see anything offending in HanzGrub3rs posts.
It'd be good if all mappers thought how they could improve their work. I think that all mappers should put at least some effort on making maps realistic. By realistic I mean rooms with some kind of meaning (I'm sorry for repeating what has already been expressed).
This is essential to make maps 'never to be forgotten'. I myself think it's important to have impressive looking rooms that occasionally make players stop, look around and admire the work put into map. That is, if you want your map to stand out from the mass...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Improve work? Thats the idea of posting teasers etc. to get community feedback, no matter how good anything is there is always something someone can criticise or try and suggest, I do that in many posts. The most recent big amount of suggestions I have given out in a thread are in Kabelen's "Ns_calamus" thread.
Realism is also not on the table or very easy, main fact that the modification is science-fiction. Which is self explanitory and is more of fantasy than realistic, I mean honestly, if we had realism NS wouldn't exist now would it? We have no living proof of AI on the moon or mars, let alone galaxies light years away. That and are space ships would be space rockets which could just about fit 3 men in them and are shoddily maintained and made by Nasa in the 1960's and 70's.
<!--QuoteBegin-Olmy+Aug 23 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Olmy @ Aug 23 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't see why naigel reported this thread...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Cause a bunch of idiots started flaming... I won't mention any names *COUGH THURSDAY COUGH*, sorry about that... and it ended up in Hanzgruber apologizing (for which I see no reason he should be) and people -who I won't mention- keep on flaming.
In other words: <span style='color:red'>Flame</span> <span style='color:orange'>war</span>.
<!--QuoteBegin-Naigel+Aug 23 2004, 08:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Naigel @ Aug 23 2004, 08:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Olmy+Aug 23 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Olmy @ Aug 23 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't see why naigel reported this thread...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Cause a bunch of idiots started flaming... I won't mention any names *COUGH THURSDAY COUGH*, sorry about that... and it ended up in Hanzgruber apologizing (for which I see no reason he should be) and people -who I won't mention- keep on flaming.
In other words: <span style='color:red'>Flame</span> <span style='color:orange'>war</span>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Please point out the flames I have made, as I've seen forum mods and admins pass over the mapping forums since the thread was reported and it is not locked. Obviously the mods and admins are happy I have not been flaming, if you do so think I have. To be honest, I've just been arrogant, it is my nature.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Aug 23 2004, 10:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Aug 23 2004, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Naigel+Aug 23 2004, 08:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Naigel @ Aug 23 2004, 08:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Olmy+Aug 23 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Olmy @ Aug 23 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't see why naigel reported this thread...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Cause a bunch of idiots started flaming... I won't mention any names *COUGH THURSDAY COUGH*, sorry about that... and it ended up in Hanzgruber apologizing (for which I see no reason he should be) and people -who I won't mention- keep on flaming.
In other words: <span style='color:red'>Flame</span> <span style='color:orange'>war</span>. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Please point out the flames I have made, as I've seen forum mods and admins pass over the mapping forums since the thread was reported and it is not locked. Obviously the mods and admins are happy I have not been flaming, if you do so think I have. To be honest, I've just been arrogant, it is my nature. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wait, you first point out the flames hanzgruber made.
-EDIT-
I'm not gonna reread this whole thread... I just think you destroyed this thread.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Aug 23 2004, 03:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Aug 23 2004, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-HanzGrub3r+Aug 23 2004, 03:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HanzGrub3r @ Aug 23 2004, 03:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>ssjyoda</b> - I don't know what has crawled up your **** but whatever it is - I didn't put it there, so don't take it out on me..
Funny that - I have never seen you round here before either..
<b>"Who in gods name gives you the right to come in here and preach what you think is so important."</b> - It's called free speech dude...I'm only offering my point of view. If you are so insecure that you think I am attacking you or your work - grow up and get over yourself..
<b>"You've been here since the beginning but don't know the names of the maps"</b> - I know them by sight not by name. lol. I've been playing DOD for a while as well but I don't know the maps by name in that either - big deal..
<b>"Maybe you should go back and do a lil HW before you start talking cause you really sound like someone who doesn't know what they are talkin about."</b> - Oh I don't do I? I've been mapping for this mod since the beginning. I was in these forums as the legendary first maps were made - saw the blood, the sweat and the tears that went into making them as great as they are. I talked with ken20banks on numerous occassion about this very issue that i've brought up - and he agrees!
<b>"again, its all a matter of preference, you said yourself your not a great mapper. Well, then, you should be the one taking advice from the ones who do know what they are doing. Cause, simply, most ppl are already doing what you oh so kindly suggested."</b> - It's called modesty dude - just cause I am not quick to blow my own trumpet doesn't mean I can't map. And if everyone was doing what I oh so kindly suggested - then why do most of the new maps look the same? why do we always seem to be helping reclaim a spaceship that has been infested... you're missing the point.. AT NO POINT DID I EVER BAG OUT ANY OF THE OFFICIAL MAPS! PERIOD! EVER! NOT ONCE! I LOVE THE OFFICIAL MAPS - they are all original - they are all fresh... My post was for the current crop of mappers eagerly trying to make the next Hera clone..
<b>"Most of us have been here from the beginning, and mapping very well since, includin myself. So, in that sense, you are the new guy. You can't walk in and expect everyone to take every word you say, you need to prove yourself not to be an idiot first."</b> - New guy huh? prior to the forum reset I had one of the highest post counts on this particular board - I lost the internet for 1 year and came back in february 04 - now I can't get my original nick back (HanzGruber - I have hanzgrub3r now) because my email has changed and Mons doesn't seem to be admin any more... The point is - I have nothing to prove to you... You can think I am the "new guy" all you like - doesn't make it so. If it makes you feel more secure - I'll agree with everything you say: fine you are right...happy now?
As for the rest of you: I'm only trying to get you guys to make the best maps you can... take my advice like a grain of salt... I just know what has worked for me and the team I'm in - and I'd like to share the wealth of that idea... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice BIG flame for you. He deleted the others though.
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Funny that - I have never seen you round here before either..
<b>"Who in gods name gives you the right to come in here and preach what you think is so important."</b> - It's called free speech dude...I'm only offering my point of view. If you are so insecure that you think I am attacking you or your work - grow up and get over yourself..
<b>"You've been here since the beginning but don't know the names of the maps"</b> - I know them by sight not by name. lol. I've been playing DOD for a while as well but I don't know the maps by name in that either - big deal..
<b>"Maybe you should go back and do a lil HW before you start talking cause you really sound like someone who doesn't know what they are talkin about."</b> - Oh I don't do I? I've been mapping for this mod since the beginning. I was in these forums as the legendary first maps were made - saw the blood, the sweat and the tears that went into making them as great as they are. I talked with ken20banks on numerous occassion about this very issue that i've brought up - and he agrees!
<b>"again, its all a matter of preference, you said yourself your not a great mapper. Well, then, you should be the one taking advice from the ones who do know what they are doing. Cause, simply, most ppl are already doing what you oh so kindly suggested."</b> - It's called modesty dude - just cause I am not quick to blow my own trumpet doesn't mean I can't map. And if everyone was doing what I oh so kindly suggested - then why do most of the new maps look the same? why do we always seem to be helping reclaim a spaceship that has been infested... you're missing the point.. AT NO POINT DID I EVER BAG OUT ANY OF THE OFFICIAL MAPS! PERIOD! EVER! NOT ONCE! I LOVE THE OFFICIAL MAPS - they are all original - they are all fresh... My post was for the current crop of mappers eagerly trying to make the next Hera clone..
<b>"Most of us have been here from the beginning, and mapping very well since, includin myself. So, in that sense, you are the new guy. You can't walk in and expect everyone to take every word you say, you need to prove yourself not to be an idiot first."</b> - New guy huh? prior to the forum reset I had one of the highest post counts on this particular board - I lost the internet for 1 year and came back in february 04 - now I can't get my original nick back (HanzGruber - I have hanzgrub3r now) because my email has changed and Mons doesn't seem to be admin any more... The point is - I have nothing to prove to you... You can think I am the "new guy" all you like - doesn't make it so. If it makes you feel more secure - I'll agree with everything you say: fine you are right...happy now?
As for the rest of you: I'm only trying to get you guys to make the best maps you can... take my advice like a grain of salt... I just know what has worked for me and the team I'm in - and I'd like to share the wealth of that idea... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hanz, like many here, we don't really care about what you're saying, we're happy as things are. I think thats what one of the guys your referring to in your post was stating, then you blabbed on about the past and knowing official mappers. Bottom line, we don't care.
When were you elected official spokesman for the forums? All I did was put forward my thoughts. FINE! you don't care - that's great! I'm happy for you - can't say that I think randomly putting rooms together is a good methodology - but hey, each to their own... As I said to ssjyoda - all I am doing is offerring ideas that have worked for me and the team I am in - and passing them on... YOU DON'T LIKE THEM - FINE! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its not really directed at mapping, but the extra the mapper whats to add on. No one is taking it personally, just trying to save you some time.
[edit] oh and there is no need to flame at a load of us putting forward our own thoughts, read the forum rules? or are you better than that aswell as being better than us? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->[/edit]
But I just simply have to ask..
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yep, the blue glowing border strip thingy is really nice and there is nothing visually wrong with this map - but there is nothing (besides the blue strip glowy thingy) new either. There is this sameness that bothers me so much.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seriously, do I have a glowing border strip in my map?? Did you put it there or am i blind? You talking about wrong map with that border strip.. I think you mean
the map Umbra, by Kalessin..
I mentioned, that I do things my way, not the way someone nearly commands me to do things.. Yes I said I would get a backstory for the map.. But that time is over. I'm plenty annoyed for me and all the others who disagree with you.
Also: GOOD ONE Mendasp, ssjyoda, and thursday-
<b>Kabelen</b> - I think what happened was I had two threads open and I got yours mixed up with the other one.. my bad dude...sorry...
(Edit)I'm editting all my posts - my intention was not to offend - I'll keep doing things my way - you guys keep going your way..and I just hope that the next lot of custom maps are not hera/veil/bast clones with no attempt to draw players into the fantasy world which is "Natural Selection"
But I just simply have to ask..
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yep, the blue glowing border strip thingy is really nice and there is nothing visually wrong with this map - but there is nothing (besides the blue strip glowy thingy) new either. There is this sameness that bothers me so much.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seriously, do I have a glowing border strip in my map?? Did you put it there or am i blind? You talking about wrong map with that border strip.. I think you mean
the map Umbra, by Kalessin..
I mentioned, that I do things my way, not the way someone nearly commands me to do things.. Yes I said I would get a backstory for the map.. But that time is over. I'm plenty annoyed for me and all the others who disagree with you.
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Never noticed Mendasp' comment earlier. Although HanzGrub3r if you insist on knowing what my first comment of the thread meant, Mendasp' comment has the answer.
Oh and Hanz, please do not privately message me a page of flame, thanks.
have u ever thought that most custom maps only stay custom cause they dont have any depth, poor layout, or overall don't look nice. These are things that everyone has pointed out. You've said nothing new, at all, everyone knows, everyone helps out.
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QUOTE - Hanzgrub3r
Thanks for so quickly dismissing my opinion - just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to presume to think everyone will..
My intention behind the post was never to change anyones mind about how they do things or whatever - WHAT I DID WANT TO DO was make people think a bit more - think outside the box if you will..
thanks to your post and ssjyoda - you've destroyed any credibility of what I said - I'm not shattered by some guys on the internet thinking my thoughts suck - but when the next crop of custom maps get brought to the table - and they are all hera, bast and veil clones - you can thank yourself...
QUOTE - Thursday
I'd rather you not message me a flame, rather you flame me in a forum thread to allow me less of my time wasting on contacting a mod. They will be notified of this message.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's really sad dude... My message was me trying to say - "come on, fair go" because you've dragged my name through the mud...
I'm trying to do the right thing here...and you are just becoming more and more childish..
have u ever thought that most custom maps only stay custom cause they dont have any depth, poor layout, or overall don't look nice. These are things that everyone has pointed out. You've said nothing new, at all, everyone knows, everyone helps out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never said "this is the way to do things" - that's taking me out of context..I merely suggested a method that works for me..
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QUOTE - Hanzgrub3r
Thanks for so quickly dismissing my opinion - just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to presume to think everyone will..
My intention behind the post was never to change anyones mind about how they do things or whatever - WHAT I DID WANT TO DO was make people think a bit more - think outside the box if you will..
thanks to your post and ssjyoda - you've destroyed any credibility of what I said - I'm not shattered by some guys on the internet thinking my thoughts suck - but when the next crop of custom maps get brought to the table - and they are all hera, bast and veil clones - you can thank yourself...
QUOTE - Thursday
I'd rather you not message me a flame, rather you flame me in a forum thread to allow me less of my time wasting on contacting a mod. They will be notified of this message.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's really sad dude... My message was me trying to say - "come on, fair go" because you've dragged my name through the mud...
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Name through the mud? You mean your flaming has caused a certain amount credibility and reputation to be damaged?
Re-think the post, especially when you removed your flaming posts 30 seconds before hand. Copy of the private message is below if anyone is interested
Titled "Good Work"
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good work, Aug 23 2004, 04:10 PM
Thanks for so quickly dismissing my opinion - just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to presume to think everyone will..
My intention behind the post was never to change anyones mind about how they do things or whatever - WHAT I DID WANT TO DO was make people think a bit more - think outside the box if you will..
thanks to your post and ssjyoda - you've destroyed any credibility of what I said - I'm not shattered by some guys on the internet thinking my thoughts suck - but when the next crop of custom maps get brought to the table - and they are all hera, bast and veil clones - you can thank yourself...<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
I don't get what you are trying to do?
I already said - my intention was not offend - so I'll delete the posts ... that was me admitting that I may have offended and that was not my intention....what are you trying to do? I can't apologise more than I have...
I don't get what you are trying to do?
I already said - my intention was not offend - so I'll delete the posts ... that was me admitting that I may have offended and that was not my intention....what are you trying to do? I can't apologise more than I have... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Trying to do? I succeeded, you keep going "I Don't mean to offend" although clearly that private message is intended to offend. Now please, be on with your way sir,
No need for an apology. Like I said before ... No one is taking it personally.
actions overshadow intentions.
Would have been better if you reported it with the flames that Hanz removed, oh well someone has to lock this thread soon though..
/me hands poor Hanz the cady bar.
<3
Like the how the wall_lab set over-used in the same fashion as Eclipse way back at V1.x? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. I'd really love it if I had the talent to creat kicking textures, but sadly I don't. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
A jack of all trades is a master of none.
Well, I think that people should at least have a purpose. There should be other possibilities taken into concideration. Why just research facilities and space stations? How about...a colony or some place where people could stay, say a luxury... ^_^ (ala the current map I am making... ns_cleveland... I'll post some screenies when its half done).
And on the map "clones" topic: how about we get some more textures? Right now, I'm doing a set for my map now, so that will be some new stuff to use. And think of new architextures to try! Watch some scifi movies or a Star Trek episode or two. Find new ideas! Creativity FTW!
It'd be good if all mappers thought how they could improve their work. I think that all mappers should put at least some effort on making maps realistic. By realistic I mean rooms with some kind of meaning (I'm sorry for repeating what has already been expressed).
This is essential to make maps 'never to be forgotten'. I myself think it's important to have impressive looking rooms that occasionally make players stop, look around and admire the work put into map. That is, if you want your map to stand out from the mass...
Well, I think that people should at least have a purpose. There should be other possibilities taken into concideration. Why just research facilities and space stations? How about...a colony or some place where people could stay, say a luxury... ^_^ (ala the current map I am making... ns_cleveland... I'll post some screenies when its half done).
And on the map "clones" topic: how about we get some more textures? Right now, I'm doing a set for my map now, so that will be some new stuff to use. And think of new architextures to try! Watch some scifi movies or a Star Trek episode or two. Find new ideas! Creativity FTW! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The mod designer makes the purpose, in which NS is a dark alien themed modification in which spaceships and space stations are the setting, like a movie.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now that I've read this thread through I think many good points have been given. Yet I'm surprised by the negative response some people gave as I don't see anything offending in HanzGrub3rs posts.
It'd be good if all mappers thought how they could improve their work. I think that all mappers should put at least some effort on making maps realistic. By realistic I mean rooms with some kind of meaning (I'm sorry for repeating what has already been expressed).
This is essential to make maps 'never to be forgotten'. I myself think it's important to have impressive looking rooms that occasionally make players stop, look around and admire the work put into map. That is, if you want your map to stand out from the mass...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Improve work? Thats the idea of posting teasers etc. to get community feedback, no matter how good anything is there is always something someone can criticise or try and suggest, I do that in many posts. The most recent big amount of suggestions I have given out in a thread are in Kabelen's "Ns_calamus" thread.
Realism is also not on the table or very easy, main fact that the modification is science-fiction. Which is self explanitory and is more of fantasy than realistic, I mean honestly, if we had realism NS wouldn't exist now would it? We have no living proof of AI on the moon or mars, let alone galaxies light years away. That and are space ships would be space rockets which could just about fit 3 men in them and are shoddily maintained and made by Nasa in the 1960's and 70's.
Cause a bunch of idiots started flaming... I won't mention any names *COUGH THURSDAY COUGH*, sorry about that... and it ended up in Hanzgruber apologizing (for which I see no reason he should be) and people -who I won't mention- keep on flaming.
In other words: <span style='color:red'>Flame</span> <span style='color:orange'>war</span>.
Cause a bunch of idiots started flaming... I won't mention any names *COUGH THURSDAY COUGH*, sorry about that... and it ended up in Hanzgruber apologizing (for which I see no reason he should be) and people -who I won't mention- keep on flaming.
In other words: <span style='color:red'>Flame</span> <span style='color:orange'>war</span>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please point out the flames I have made, as I've seen forum mods and admins pass over the mapping forums since the thread was reported and it is not locked. Obviously the mods and admins are happy I have not been flaming, if you do so think I have. To be honest, I've just been arrogant, it is my nature.
Cause a bunch of idiots started flaming... I won't mention any names *COUGH THURSDAY COUGH*, sorry about that... and it ended up in Hanzgruber apologizing (for which I see no reason he should be) and people -who I won't mention- keep on flaming.
In other words: <span style='color:red'>Flame</span> <span style='color:orange'>war</span>. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please point out the flames I have made, as I've seen forum mods and admins pass over the mapping forums since the thread was reported and it is not locked. Obviously the mods and admins are happy I have not been flaming, if you do so think I have. To be honest, I've just been arrogant, it is my nature. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wait, you first point out the flames hanzgruber made.
-EDIT-
I'm not gonna reread this whole thread... I just think you destroyed this thread.
Funny that - I have never seen you round here before either..
<b>"Who in gods name gives you the right to come in here and preach what you think is so important."</b> - It's called free speech dude...I'm only offering my point of view. If you are so insecure that you think I am attacking you or your work - grow up and get over yourself..
<b>"You've been here since the beginning but don't know the names of the maps"</b> - I know them by sight not by name. lol. I've been playing DOD for a while as well but I don't know the maps by name in that either - big deal..
<b>"Maybe you should go back and do a lil HW before you start talking cause you really sound like someone who doesn't know what they are talkin about."</b> - Oh I don't do I? I've been mapping for this mod since the beginning. I was in these forums as the legendary first maps were made - saw the blood, the sweat and the tears that went into making them as great as they are. I talked with ken20banks on numerous occassion about this very issue that i've brought up - and he agrees!
<b>"again, its all a matter of preference, you said yourself your not a great mapper. Well, then, you should be the one taking advice from the ones who do know what they are doing. Cause, simply, most ppl are already doing what you oh so kindly suggested."</b> - It's called modesty dude - just cause I am not quick to blow my own trumpet doesn't mean I can't map. And if everyone was doing what I oh so kindly suggested - then why do most of the new maps look the same? why do we always seem to be helping reclaim a spaceship that has been infested... you're missing the point.. AT NO POINT DID I EVER BAG OUT ANY OF THE OFFICIAL MAPS! PERIOD! EVER! NOT ONCE! I LOVE THE OFFICIAL MAPS - they are all original - they are all fresh... My post was for the current crop of mappers eagerly trying to make the next Hera clone..
<b>"Most of us have been here from the beginning, and mapping very well since, includin myself. So, in that sense, you are the new guy. You can't walk in and expect everyone to take every word you say, you need to prove yourself not to be an idiot first."</b> - New guy huh? prior to the forum reset I had one of the highest post counts on this particular board - I lost the internet for 1 year and came back in february 04 - now I can't get my original nick back (HanzGruber - I have hanzgrub3r now) because my email has changed and Mons doesn't seem to be admin any more... The point is - I have nothing to prove to you... You can think I am the "new guy" all you like - doesn't make it so. If it makes you feel more secure - I'll agree with everything you say: fine you are right...happy now?
As for the rest of you: I'm only trying to get you guys to make the best maps you can... take my advice like a grain of salt... I just know what has worked for me and the team I'm in - and I'd like to share the wealth of that idea... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nice BIG flame for you. He deleted the others though.