Marine Stackage

waller · August 2004

Ok, well i've just been pubbing today on Da jam hardcore server, and my clan server in my sig <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />
But it really **** me off to find i couldn't play as marine, because whenever i pressed f1 the team would be full and have about 3 extra players compared to alien.
so i was just thinking, hmm, what could be done to make aliens apeal more to people to stop this endless rine stackage, but i couldn't think of anything, anyone got any ideas on how to stop this? or what's the cause of it? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

<b><edits> i don't even think it's a balance issue, because aliens do win 40% - 50% of the time in pubs,</edits></b>

jumpingjoda · August 2004

New players usually stack marines, becouse it's what they are used to in other games.
Playing alien is completely different, i had a hard time learning all alien stuff at the beginning.

Marine shoots when he sees something crawling towards him, but an alien must use more tactics to actually kill something.

waller · August 2004

I normally love alien, and when i was new it was amazing to me, i'd never played anything like it before.
But it's becoming to repetative, and i want to give rines a try, but i just can't get the chance without stacking <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

/It's lamo.

Dogg · August 2004

Unchain the chambers!

And maybe more ppl will play alien =)

I know alot of newbies don't like alien because they get kicked/ridiculed if they do anything wrong (even worse than if they do something wrong on marines).

Charge · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dogg @ Aug 21 2004, 08:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Unchain the chambers!  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
No.

kltower4 · August 2004

I agree with jumpingjoda!!! Still remember when we first installed ns with the autohelp function on? It recommends us to start with marines. Oh well, hard time commanding noobs.

Unholymaker · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (waller @ Aug 21 2004, 08:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I normally love alien, and when i was new it was amazing to me, i'd never played anything like it before.
But it's becoming to repetative, and i want to give rines a try, but i just can't get the chance without stacking <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

/It's lamo.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
i remember when i first played ns i was like " OMG I CAN CLIMB ON WALLS AS ALIEN THIS GAME = AWESOME"

guess some people dont see it that way

ANdreW1 · August 2004

The first time I played was alien....got stuck inside Sewer hive with rines galore while cloaked. I had no clue why they wanted that area defended. I had no clue it was a hive....but I moved on accident and turrets killed me <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /> . I didn't go rine until I got used to aliens. But it is lame to see rines always having 2 more players then aliens....makes me mad too. So I just go and pwn them the best I can.

VampMaster · August 2004

I always said for my part that Pub should always, ALWAYS have some plug-in that auto-assign everyone in the RR at the second they hit the floor to a team randomly... With no regard if they press F1 or F2

NolSinkler · August 2004

And the plugin stops them from f4ing.

waller · August 2004

I'll try twist my CL's arm to install that mod <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Recoup · August 2004

Jesus, no F4 plug in. Its not like we DO F4. In fact we kick you if you F4 before loosing, but sometimes we gotta F4 for various reasons.

TOmekki · August 2004

if the teams are even (because of a plugin) why the hell would u want to f4?

u see just saying "various reasons" isnt enough. if u cant make a post with any arguments except the ones you just generated, dont post at all.

as for about the actual thread, i think the main reason rines are stacked is... they are more fun to play. sure u might like aliens better, but the person who just plays every once in a while propably wont join aliens just to get gunned down time after time. generally, playing aliens on pubs sucks.

waller · August 2004

Don't hijack thread into f4 rant.

Recoup · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> if the teams are even (because of a plugin) why the hell would u want to f4?

u see just saying "various reasons" isnt enough. if u cant make a post with any arguments except the ones you just generated, dont post at all.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Cut me some slack you jerk. Must I need to list various reasons?

1) Spectate other players if suspected of cheating/aimbot/hacking, which has happened before
2) Discuss things with other admins in the RR or Spectator. Sometimes the admins call players out of the games to talk to them privately

Other things we do on our server are our business, so here are just some examples.

TOmekki · August 2004

the anti-f4 plugin only works for the first few minutes (i think). but not sure. besides it is very rare to have an cheater in ns. its propably just a person with a good aim and a stupid name.

waller · August 2004

errrr. this topic isn't about cheating, it's about stacking marines.

Salvation · August 2004

marines are easy to play, with less thinking, just run around and lission to comm

i suppose on some server it may very, but for the most part, it is so

Bait_Boy · August 2004

I think its like this because the manual totes marines as the newbie team
so newb reads manual, starts NS up, joins server, then finds he cant be marines cause everyone else went there
So he goes alien, and while it confuses him for a little while, he has fun
Next round, he joins marine team, gets yelled at by alien team if theyre losing for "stacking teams", or gets called a total n00b for not being able to hit a skulk that is leaping about like its on steriods, crystal meth, and crack

BukakkeSake · August 2004

The **** thing about playing aliens is the chambers. ppl ALWAYS put up defense chambers first, i guess for the higher lifeforms. They never mix it up, and they ban anyone else who does. It just gets really boring. I want cloaking damnit, and celerity, celerity skulks are much harder to kill.

waller · August 2004

Silence ftw!

AvengerX · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dogg @ Aug 21 2004, 08:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Unchain the chambers!
 </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
play combat then you moron, if you want to do whatever you want whenever you want and rambo to your hearts content PLAY COMBAT

golly

TOmekki · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Avenger-X @ Aug 21 2004, 01:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dogg @ Aug 21 2004, 08:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Unchain the chambers!
</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
play combat then you moron, if you want to do whatever you want whenever you want and rambo to your hearts content PLAY COMBAT

golly  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
please explain why you hate unchaining so much. also please explain why it would make aliens "rambo". and also explain how the hell could it HURT teamwork.

and dont say "i went to an unchained server and aliens got their **** kicked cus everyone just built their own chamber". because that was bound to happen.

if implemented, the aliens would adapt to it. and so would the marines.

Lito · August 2004

For newer players, its an easier transition. If you're playing NS, you've probably played, and are into, other FPS games. Playing a marine is playing a first person shooter, and thus it is easy to play when you're new. It also means you're less important to your team. You can jerk around as a marine, and it probably wouldn't matter; not so for the aliens.

For more experienced players, you'll see the horrendeous advantage that marines have in the beginning.

If there are nublets on your servers, then go alien. Atleast then you can fade and do something about it.

Bluee · August 2004

Marines have been being stacked since the very first day of NS. I used to think it was mostly because Marines were the advantaged side, but that's not really the case. Marines are still stacked in Combat games the games tend to be Alien sided if the marines don't all get jetpacks.

Because of that and trying to play with friends, I've always been a big Alien supporter <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

Necrosis · August 2004

Why people stack rines?

Aliens dont have guns. And if you're a poor alien player then you're likely to get extremely annoyed that you keep dying (omgftw I run at him in a straight line and he shotzored me!!!). You go gorge, but you die just as fast. You go lerk, you die very fast indeed, if you're not camping the vent like 80% of lerk players.

You go fade, and you WALK around the map before dying to a 0/0 basic rine. Finally you hoard for onos every round and spend most of the time devour camping. OLOLOLOL. Till you get blocked by a skulk or dodgy terrain and get shot to little bits.

From then on you become a dedicated marine player.

Whereupon you commence whining at the comm for every upgrade under the sun, and if you lose the round, its the comms fault.

Nukem3000 · August 2004

**********Marine team always stack in NS maps because if you join the game late onece you join aliens, you start off with 0 res. But if you join marines you get everything they have from the commander************

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' /> FIX THIS FIRST <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' />

SinSpawn · August 2004

The thing is, aliens is harder to play requires teamwork and generally good players that can kill.

As for marines long range firing, same as what they are used to.

Also I once read some where before that marines were designed to be a new beginners first choice and on the autohelp it said something like 'if you are new join marines'.

Zaggy · August 2004

Myeh, stackage is very frustrating, perhaps someone can make a plugin that makes going in whatever team you go, you WILL go random.

At least you have a bigger chance to play both teams alot.

waller · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zaggy @ Aug 22 2004, 03:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Myeh, stackage is very frustrating, perhaps someone can make a plugin that makes going in whatever team you go, you WILL go random.

At least you have a bigger chance to play both teams alot.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
This has already been done, but my CL wont install it for whatever reason =/
Ahh well, i'm sure there's some AMX_ command to swap people around teams aint there?

Also, in the manual, doesn't it say that aliens require less teamwork?

Draakon · August 2004

That guide is incredibly old. And for the most part aliens require much teamwork to succeed, the reason the guide says they need less teamwork than marines is because they were considered more skill based and flexible than marines.

Marine Stackage

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