You folks can not imagine who satisfying it is to watch the community tear another game's balance apart for a change... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-"Nemesis Zero"+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ("Nemesis Zero")</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You folks can not imagine who satisfying it is to watch the community tear another game's balance apart for a change... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...NS needs more Dreadnoughts. It'd sort out the balance problems.
Dreadnoughts rock my face, as do Assault Terminators. Nothing like watching troops go flying 50 feet over walls. Assault Terminators can tear vehicles to shreds when they get in range (Assault termies are terminators that forgo ranged weaponry in lieu of a big damn hammer and a shield. They're melee guys, they <i>destroy</i> morale.) Assault troops also can come in handy for routing troops attempting to fall back and regroup when their morale is broken.
The Heavy Bolter and Flamethrower eat up morale as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You can do things like expand squads and equip them with heavy weapons but in the end it doesn't matter. The time and money you spent making your squad special and better could be spent simply making 3x as many squads and just pulverize them<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes Eek, until that person realizes that he has just run into the squad cap and cannot make Terminators or more builders.
X_StickmanNot good enough for a custom title.Join Date: 2003-04-15Member: 15533Members, Constellation
3 squads of Space Marines equiped with 4 Heavy Bolters can defend incredibly well against any infantry attack. It's surprising how well they do, seriously. You just see lines and lines of infantry falling dead long before they reach your marines.
<!--QuoteBegin-X_Stickman+Aug 8 2004, 04:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Aug 8 2004, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3 squads of Space Marines equiped with 4 Heavy Bolters can defend incredibly well against any infantry attack. It's surprising how well they do, seriously. You just see lines and lines of infantry falling dead long before they reach your marines. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If I'm going anti inf with my marines, I prefer 2 heavy bolters and 2 plasma guns to take out any heavy infantry.
Thats one of the problem with this game, that basic Space Marines are too hard because they're too flexible. They're quick to get out, and still useful late game. Although their weakness is that they have no effective way of taking down an Avatar/Bloodthirster/Squiggoth.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You folks can not imagine <u>who</u> satisfying it is to watch the community tear another game's balance apart for a change... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think NemO needs beating with another certain heavy book...
the problem with Heavy Bolters is that they cant be fired while on the move and it takes like 30 seconds for them to get set up when you are still, so if you ambush the marines while their in transit their pwned.
Use Heavy bolters to take out orks and lots of eldar units (and Chaos Cultists)
Otherwise use plasma guns.
Against vehicles, get two squads with rocket launchers
Against everyone: Get at least one squad with flamers, they OWN morale.
Eldar vehicles plus that lightning storm thingie is crazy. The vehicles blow up your vehicles, and if you try to hit them with rocket launchers you just get zapped into oblivion.
<!--QuoteBegin-TheSavior+Aug 8 2004, 03:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheSavior @ Aug 8 2004, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Orbital Bombardment > Eldrich Storm <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I can never get it to work. What am I doing wrong?
First you have to have the Orbital Relay building to use it, then your commander dude from the Chapel Barracks is the guy who triggers it. Get him in range, clicky, wait for the charge, and...
*boom*
Giant beams of explosive doom and destruction rain from the sky.
MonkfishSonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed!Join Date: 2003-06-03Member: 16972Members
I was playing through the tutorial until <a href='http://www.ahavell.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/screwed.jpg' target='_blank'>this</a> happened <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I never did like RTS games as Player vs Player - I really much prefer a good Co-op game with a friend. Usually an impossibly hard one in which we *ALMOST* get beat into oblivion, but turn it around and slowly push back and win. Fun times.
<!--QuoteBegin-TheSavior+Aug 8 2004, 01:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheSavior @ Aug 8 2004, 01:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never did like RTS games as Player vs Player - I really much prefer a good Co-op game with a friend. Usually an impossibly hard one in which we *ALMOST* get beat into oblivion, but turn it around and slowly push back and win. Fun times. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> then you will definitly like the RTS game called empire earth go pick that up and play with a couple friends me and my bro played a lan game against 1 easy computer it took us 8 hours just to beat him the AI in empire earth is impressive you should realy pick it up and try it
<!--QuoteBegin-cshank4+Aug 8 2004, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Aug 8 2004, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the problem with Heavy Bolters is that they cant be fired while on the move and it takes like 30 seconds for them to get set up when you are still, so if you ambush the marines while their in transit their pwned.
Use Heavy bolters to take out orks and lots of eldar units (and Chaos Cultists)
Otherwise use plasma guns.
Against vehicles, get two squads with rocket launchers
Against everyone: Get at least one squad with flamers, they OWN morale. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ok, 30 seconds is a bit of an overstatement <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> They don't take so long to deploy that your gonna get pwned. Likewise, Missle Launchers can't fire on move and take even longer then HBs to deploy. Plasma guns are inaccurate as hell when moving. All 3 have their weaknesses when moving, so its not just the HBs that your gonna get "pwned" if you get ambushed.
Heavy bolters still do large damage to other Marines for instance, and if you wait for Plasma guns, your gonna be without heavy weapon support for awhile.
MLs for anti-vehicle....depends on how the game goes and who I'm playing. Against orcs I wouldn't bother. Too slow firing, and orc vehicles are weak, so HBs and Plasma can take them down. Against SM, if they mass Land Speeders then I don't have a choice. Overall I'd rather have Predators with all las cannons then Missle Launchers when its comes to anti-vehicle damage.
Flamers vs everyone? Sniper rifles and Whirlwinds are better for breaking morale and they do more damage.
I love getting loads of Whirlwinds. Everyone is broken, on their arses all the time, and I can deny avenues of attack all from the safety of my base <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Anyone having trouble trying to play online? I am using my Gamespy account but it keeps saying that it isn't a valid name...
Chrono: It isn't that the AI in EE is hard to beat, it's just that the game cheats. I mean, unlimited resources and map hacks. I have seen allied AI players build barracks, tank factories, and docks off the bat.
and they keep friggin relocating ... edit: ... in EE that is
i like rise of nations, you can have good long games with it, played a long game last night with me and a friend vs 2 teams of easy/moderate comps, was pretty sweet
nukes totally own the game tho and i dont like them
i like how in DoW you can make your own badges, i made a pentagram for my chaos marines, they look pretty kewl
<!--QuoteBegin-Fr05t+Aug 8 2004, 03:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fr05t @ Aug 8 2004, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyone having trouble trying to play online? I am using my Gamespy account but it keeps saying that it isn't a valid name...
Chrono: It isn't that the AI in EE is hard to beat, it's just that the game cheats. I mean, unlimited resources and map hacks. I have seen allied AI players build barracks, tank factories, and docks off the bat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> its still a good challenge <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Fr05t+Aug 8 2004, 10:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fr05t @ Aug 8 2004, 10:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyone having trouble trying to play online? I am using my Gamespy account but it keeps saying that it isn't a valid name...
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You'd get more joy looking on the beta forums. You can't currently log in with any gamespy accounts that weern't created in game, hence why my name is Ph03n1x1 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If anyone sees me and wants schooling, give me a shout <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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...NS needs more Dreadnoughts. It'd sort out the balance problems.
The Heavy Bolter and Flamethrower eat up morale as well.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You can do things like expand squads and equip them with heavy weapons but in the end it doesn't matter. The time and money you spent making your squad special and better could be spent simply making 3x as many squads and just pulverize them<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes Eek, until that person realizes that he has just run into the squad cap and cannot make Terminators or more builders.
If I'm going anti inf with my marines, I prefer 2 heavy bolters and 2 plasma guns to take out any heavy infantry.
Thats one of the problem with this game, that basic Space Marines are too hard because they're too flexible. They're quick to get out, and still useful late game. Although their weakness is that they have no effective way of taking down an Avatar/Bloodthirster/Squiggoth.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You folks can not imagine <u>who</u> satisfying it is to watch the community tear another game's balance apart for a change... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think NemO needs beating with another certain heavy book...
Use Heavy bolters to take out orks and lots of eldar units (and Chaos Cultists)
Otherwise use plasma guns.
Against vehicles, get two squads with rocket launchers
Against everyone: Get at least one squad with flamers, they OWN morale.
I can never get it to work. What am I doing wrong?
*boom*
Giant beams of explosive doom and destruction rain from the sky.
(Yes, that's a challenge) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
then you will definitly like the RTS game called empire earth go pick that up and play with a couple friends me and my bro played a lan game against 1 easy computer it took us 8 hours just to beat him the AI in empire earth is impressive you should realy pick it up and try it
Use Heavy bolters to take out orks and lots of eldar units (and Chaos Cultists)
Otherwise use plasma guns.
Against vehicles, get two squads with rocket launchers
Against everyone: Get at least one squad with flamers, they OWN morale. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok, 30 seconds is a bit of an overstatement <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> They don't take so long to deploy that your gonna get pwned. Likewise, Missle Launchers can't fire on move and take even longer then HBs to deploy. Plasma guns are inaccurate as hell when moving. All 3 have their weaknesses when moving, so its not just the HBs that your gonna get "pwned" if you get ambushed.
Heavy bolters still do large damage to other Marines for instance, and if you wait for Plasma guns, your gonna be without heavy weapon support for awhile.
MLs for anti-vehicle....depends on how the game goes and who I'm playing. Against orcs I wouldn't bother. Too slow firing, and orc vehicles are weak, so HBs and Plasma can take them down. Against SM, if they mass Land Speeders then I don't have a choice. Overall I'd rather have Predators with all las cannons then Missle Launchers when its comes to anti-vehicle damage.
Flamers vs everyone? Sniper rifles and Whirlwinds are better for breaking morale and they do more damage.
I love getting loads of Whirlwinds. Everyone is broken, on their arses all the time, and I can deny avenues of attack all from the safety of my base <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Chrono: It isn't that the AI in EE is hard to beat, it's just that the game cheats. I mean, unlimited resources and map hacks. I have seen allied AI players build barracks, tank factories, and docks off the bat.
i like rise of nations, you can have good long games with it, played a long game last night with me and a friend vs 2 teams of easy/moderate comps, was pretty sweet
nukes totally own the game tho and i dont like them
i like how in DoW you can make your own badges, i made a pentagram for my chaos marines, they look pretty kewl
Chrono: It isn't that the AI in EE is hard to beat, it's just that the game cheats. I mean, unlimited resources and map hacks. I have seen allied AI players build barracks, tank factories, and docks off the bat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
its still a good challenge <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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You'd get more joy looking on the beta forums. You can't currently log in with any gamespy accounts that weern't created in game, hence why my name is Ph03n1x1 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If anyone sees me and wants schooling, give me a shout <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->