My Computer Is Running Too Hot...

SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
edited June 2004 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Help Please!</div> Right now, about 90% of the time, my computer is running way to hot for my liking. After about 10 minutes of running time, the system temperature idles at about 42 degrees celcuis, and the CPU temperature at just over 69. My CPU fan sounds like a turbocharged honda as it trys to keep the temperature reasonable. I already have as many 4pin fans blowing air into the machine as possible, the main problem is that the temperature in my room is on the verge of 30 degrees all day long, dispite a ceiling fan on max and a desk fan blowing air in through the window as fast as possible. I'm on a pretty limited budget and I can't afford something like air conditioning for the room or liquid cooling for the comp.

Any suggestions/stopgap solutions? I don't really like the idea of turning the computer on and off all summer, I know from experiance that the heat flex can damage the hardware pretty fast. Any cost effective ideas would be extreamly apreciated.
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  • EEKEEK Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Banned
    edited June 2004
    You consider 60 degrees © hot? For a computer that's not that bad...
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited June 2004
    That statisic was from memory, its probably wrong...

    I consider a 42 degree system temp hot...

    One sec, I'm gonna check the temp and get a more accurate stat.

    [edit]CPU running 70 degrees, system 42 degrees, CPU fan at > 5000 RPM

    first post editied to prevent further confusion.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    The idea isn't to get as much cool air in to the case as possible. Arrange your fans so that the the ones closest to the CPU blow cool air in and the ones furthest blow warm out.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jun 22 2004, 02:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jun 22 2004, 02:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The idea isn't to get as much cool air in to the case as possible. Arrange your fans so that the the ones closest to the CPU blow cool air in and the ones furthest blow warm out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That is what is happening, I have cool air (as cool as it gets in this room anyways) blowing in the front and hot air blowing out the back right below the power sourse (and right above the CPU). The power sourse can't get rid of the heat it produces fast enough, even though it's fan is working perfectly.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    tried leaving the case open? whats the room temp?
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Jun 22 2004, 02:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Jun 22 2004, 02:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> tried leaving the case open? whats the room temp? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    wouldn't that screw up the airflow from the fans?

    Room temperature varys from about 25 degrees to just over 30.
  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    Cheapest way would be too take the case sides off and point your desk fan at the insides of the computer...

    Also what fans do you have inside, you may have a lot but if your CPU heatsink and the fans aren't that high quality they won't cool as effectively <a href='http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=55539' target='_blank'>this Thermaltake fan</a> is cheap and comes with a universal fitting (works on P4 and AMD) and from personal experience I know it keeps things nice and cool. (Overclocked Celeron running at 29 degrees anyone?)
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Necrotic+Jun 22 2004, 02:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrotic @ Jun 22 2004, 02:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cheapest way would be too take the case sides off and point your desk fan at the insides of the computer... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You just dropped my system temp to 37, CPU temp to 67, CPU fan running 3500 RPM, Thanx alot! Still a bit hot for my liking, but no longer scary hot.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also what fans do you have inside, you may have a lot but if your CPU heatsink and the fans aren't that high quality they won't cool as effectively this Thermaltake fan is cheap and comes with a universal fitting (works on P4 and AMD) and from personal experience I know it keeps things nice and cool. (Overclocked Celeron running at 29 degrees anyone?)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I need to find a canadian seller, I unfortunately don't have any pounds, and I don't really want to pay the shipping anyways. Thanks though, sounds like a pretty good system. BTW, I'm running a P4 3 gig
  • napinapi Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14172Members, Constellation
    go to a market and get a cheap second hand mini-fridge - take the door off, and stick it against the open side of your PC - chills all the air inside if you get a nice current going through


    cheap, effective, silent <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RuByRuBy Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10732Members
    If you change your heat sink be sure to get some good thermal compound.
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[edit]CPU running 70 degrees, system 42 degrees, CPU fan at > 5000 RPM<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    5000 RPM?!?!? Ouch.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-shanks+Jun 22 2004, 02:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (shanks @ Jun 22 2004, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> go to a market and get a cheap second hand mini-fridge - take the door off, and stick it against the open side of your PC - chills all the air inside if you get a nice current going through


    cheap, effective, silent <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    mini fridges cost like 150 bucks, I can spend maby 30.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    If you change your heat sink be sure to get some good thermal compound.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    and thermal compound is what? (sorry for newbness)
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->5000 RPM?!?!? Ouch.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    that was pretty much my thought on the matter too. You should have heard the thing.
  • PetcoPetco Join Date: 2003-07-27 Member: 18478Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Jun 22 2004, 12:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Jun 22 2004, 12:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> tried leaving the case open? whats the room temp? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah that worked for me before. *Also if your room is cold or so (Maybe not too warm) buy like some small fan (Talking about those fans that you put in your living room not those window fans) maybe $10-20 and point it at your comp when you leave cover off. It works great. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cheapest way would be too take the case sides off and point your desk fan at the insides of the computer...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ahh didn't read that part until posted.
  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    Thermal compound is that white creamy (hehe) stuff you smear on the CPU to form a better heat transference from the processor to the heatsink. Most important with that stuff is to make sure you have the right thickness, too thinly spread and it doesn't work, too thickly spread and it doesn't work. Plus its sticky and horrible. I hate it, but its essential these days.

    For $30 even Canadian you should be able to buy a pretty sweet heatsink o;
  • RuByRuBy Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10732Members
    Yeah thermal compound can lower the CPU temp by 2 to 8C but if you have some bad or old compound (also called thermal grease/paste) already installed its a good thing to change. I hear Arctic Silver is pretty good, <a href='http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm' target='_blank'>here</a> are the instructions on how to apply it. You'll see how it works <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
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  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    The cheapest "fixes" are:

    -Check if nothing is blocking your cpu fan.
    -Open you case, and point a fan at it at maximum speed.
    -Change the speed at which you CPU runs and lower it.
  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    how do you check these statistics?

    My PC upstairs sounds like an F-16 taking off ferchristsake, but the one down here is less so.
  • BeowulfGrendelBeowulfGrendel Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13775Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-raz0r+Jun 22 2004, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (raz0r @ Jun 22 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->how do you check these statistics?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://mbm.livewiredev.com/' target='_blank'>http://mbm.livewiredev.com/</a>
  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    Although it seems you've already resolved the issue, I still have to ask... Have you been, by any chance taking off the CPU's cooling sinks for whatever reason and then putting them back into place? Because a lot of people doing that make a mistake and leave air pockets in the paste, that's between the CPU and the cooling sinks.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    i have a room fan that's basically a fscking turbine... all steel, huge, runs at up to a bajillion RPM, nearly blows my case over.

    <3 open case + fan technology
  • raz0rraz0r Join Date: 2003-07-24 Member: 18395Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-BeowulfGrendel+Jun 22 2004, 04:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BeowulfGrendel @ Jun 22 2004, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-raz0r+Jun 22 2004, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (raz0r @ Jun 22 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->how do you check these statistics?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <a href='http://mbm.livewiredev.com/' target='_blank'>http://mbm.livewiredev.com/</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thanks

    [EDIT:] argh, it asks for my mobo model, and i don't know it. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    any help?

    [EDIT2:] i found my mobo model(dimension 8200, dell, ugh.)at least i think i did.
    But it isnt supported by this program, any others i could use?
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    Get an Zalman cooler for the processor, it keeps my overclocked (from 2600+ to 3200+) cpu down to a reasonably level and very noise-less. Also get two case fans, one for intake and one for out-take <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BeowulfGrendelBeowulfGrendel Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13775Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-raz0r+Jun 22 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (raz0r @ Jun 22 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i found my mobo model(dimension 8200, dell, ugh.)at least i think i did.
    But it isnt supported by this program, any others i could use?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Just means that you'll have to manually setup the fans and temp sensors - the wizard at the start just tries to do that for you.
  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    edited June 2004
    If the heat problem really is as bad as you suggest, perhaps its time to look at other options?

    As suggested cheap fans for the case which you allready have.
    Take you CPU fan off variable settings, at the moment from what you have said it varies depending on how hard the CPU has to work, set it yourself in the bios to what you want.
    Water cooling pipes, yes they are expensive and not really an option but they do the job well.

    A P4 has a safe operating temp of 90C, at 110C it shuts itself down to prevent damage, at around those temps an Athlon melts taking alot with it.

    If you live in a hot country thier anit alot you can do with little amounts of money.

    I would also try changing the way your case fans are running, try a few combnations, have so many blowing so many pushing air out, try changing them round till you get a setup you like.
  • WagzWagz Join Date: 2004-06-21 Member: 29443Members
    edited June 2004
    One thing that may help is, if your computer has been around for a while, theres a likely chance that dust is collecting between your cpu heatsink and fan, unscrew the fan off your heatsink and suck all the dust off your heatsink with a vacuum. You just need a screw driver, you dont have to take the heatsink off the cpu, just unscrew and take the fan off. Anyways, you should probably turn off your computer before doing this. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Wagz+Jun 22 2004, 02:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wagz @ Jun 22 2004, 02:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One thing that may help is, if your computer has been around for a while,  theres a likely chance that dust is collecting between your cpu heatsink and fan,  unscrew the fan off your heatsink and suck all the dust off your heatsink with a vacuum.  You just need a screw driver, you dont have to take the heatsink off the cpu, just unscrew and take the fan off.  Anyways, you should probably turn off your computer before doing this.  <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I dusted with a shop vac like 2 weeks ago, put the thing on blow and just went at it, couldn't stop coughing for like a week. I'm 99 percent sure dust isn't/wasn't my problem.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If the heat problem really is as bad as you suggest, perhaps its time to look at other options?

    As suggested cheap fans for the case which you allready have.
    Take you CPU fan off variable settings, at the moment from what you have said it varies depending on how hard the CPU has to work, set it yourself in the bios to what you want.
    Water cooling pipes, yes they are expensive and not really an option but they do the job well.

    A P4 has a safe operating temp of 90C, at 110C it shuts itself down to prevent damage, at around those temps an Athlon melts taking alot with it.

    If you live in a hot country thier anit alot you can do with little amounts of money.

    I would also try changing the way your case fans are running, try a few combnations, have so many blowing so many pushing air out, try changing them round till you get a setup you like.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I live in canada, during the winter I take off all my case fans and use them to blow snow away from the entrance to my iglue...


    J/K, but canada shouldn't be THAT hot. I have never really had to worry about overheating before.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->  Although it seems you've already resolved the issue, I still have to ask... Have you been, by any chance taking off the CPU's cooling sinks for whatever reason and then putting them back into place? Because a lot of people doing that make a mistake and leave air pockets in the paste, that's between the CPU and the cooling sinks.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm not a moron. I generaly don't take parts off the CPU for any reason short of replacement and explosion, niether of which have happend since I got my CPU.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> how do you check these statistics?

    My PC upstairs sounds like an F-16 taking off ferchristsake, but the one down here is less so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I have system health diagnostic settings available in my bios. I might check that if I were you before you go trying to set up a 3rd party diagonstics system. If it is just a matter of curiosity you shouldn't need to worry about it more than once. The desk fan blowing in the open case worked pretty good for me, you might also want to turn off the variable settings for your CPU fan (although the sound could just be a 4pin or your powersourse fan on the fritze too)
  • WagzWagz Join Date: 2004-06-21 Member: 29443Members
    Well, it isnt your problem, but cleaning out the heatsink helps a bit, and you need all the help you can get <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Wagz+Jun 22 2004, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wagz @ Jun 22 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, it isnt your problem, but cleaning out the heatsink helps a bit, and you need all the help you can get <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    is 67 that hot a running temperature?
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