Os Woes

SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
edited June 2004 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Damn MS (and Eidos)</div> So, Thief III only works on XP. (Thanks, Eidos.) So it looks like we'll have to upgrade to XP. I've put it off for this long due to time and expense. Also, I hate messing around with OSs. Bleh.

I have a few questions:

1) I know with some MS stuff, you get one-use-per-CD. Is that the case with XP? I need it for both my mother's PC (Win 98) and mine (Win ME). We need to thief, badly! But two XPs are going to be expensive.

2) What's it like with backwards compatability nowadays for games?

3) Is it better to format first, or will it be OK with its own install procedure?

Thanks in advance.

Comments

  • redeemed_darknessredeemed_darkness Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12565Members
    edited June 2004
    hmmm whats your cpu speed and ram

    1) In the agreement you are suppose to have it installed on one computer per copy
    but there is really nothing stop you <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    2) supports all old windows games and progs but old dos well is a pretty much a hit and miss on what will run

    3) yes format is recommended in general NTFS > FAT32
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited June 2004
    Thanks for the speedy response!

    On my mum's Office XP, it makes you register when you install it on a new computer, and if you try to, it tells you it's already authorised. It gives you 25 uses (or so) before it shuts down. I was wondering if the same thing applied to XP OS.

    System requirements should be ok.

    Mum's PC:
    Win 98 (for now)
    512 MB RAM
    Athlon AMD 2.2 GHz
    80 gig HD
    Radeon 9800 PRO

    My PC:
    Win ME (for now, good riddance)
    512 MB RAM (might get another 512 soon for good measure)
    Athlon AMD 3.0 GHz
    80 gig HD
    NVidia GeForce 4800 Ti

    Gonna set me up a LAN between them, too. Serious Sam co-op, here we come. (:
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    XP is a very solid program, but it uses lots of memory. Tons of it. My current idle system processes when I'm not doing anything at all, in addition to norton, uses about 150mb. Of course, XP also has stellar memory management. No longer will you need to restart window because a memory hole has stolen all your memories. XP automatically detects and kills memory leaks as programs are run. In addition, the XP operating system itself uses less memory if the system needs more memory for other tasks - it can run on about 1/3 of it's standard memory while in the background with no ill effects. Also, you have the amazing task manager that makes alt+ctrl+delete your one stop shop for fixing any program-related issues on your computer and allowing you to see instantly exactly how many rescources your system is using. You can even switch back to the old windows interface in case you don't like the new start menu.

    The downs? It uses lots of memory. If installed incorrectly it can be severly unstable, and can eventually require reformats. It seems to be senstivie to your computer's hardware and that may affect it's performance. It has a built in firewall that does absolutly nothing. Turn it off if you want to use bittorrent, for example. It's defintly more complex then 98 or ME.


    However, compaired to the comedy of errors that ME is, XP should be no problem for you at all.
  • redeemed_darknessredeemed_darkness Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12565Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thanks for the speedy response! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well your just lucky that i am browsing at the time <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I registered this copy so many times same comp for it is the only XP worthy machine granted it is XP pro not to sure the same with XP home


    i don't think you would miss WINME to much <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    But could you install it on your machine and someone else's? Sorry to be persistant, but this is the main barrier to buying it.

    Redford - that was a very helpful synopsis you gave me. Thanks. (: My mum's computer has a hideous time with memory leaks - after an hour or so, there's only around 42MB free. This is when everything else has been shut off, too.

    I'll be happy to wave goodbye to Mistake Edition, too.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    OK Then...

    1.) Yes you can only have one copy of Win XP for each PC, however Microsoft will also make sure you are only using one version through some online doo-dah so I'd watch out as far as that goes. And anyway as long as you have all the old installation CD's for your old OS's why don't you just by the XP Home/Pro Upgrade That should allow you to get 2 legal copys of XP for about the same as 1 "full" copy.

    2.) Backwards compatibility is fine, Although DOS games are a little iffy as a general rule of thumb if it was meant to play in a Windows environment it'll play on XP.

    3.) Formatting first would probably be better although you can just do a straight-forward upgrade over your old OS.
  • redeemed_darknessredeemed_darkness Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12565Members
    There is no physical barrier but the mental picture Microsoft painted in your mind

    Venmoch I find windows upgrades are very dodgy in my opinion
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    Meh worked for me......
  • CobyCoby Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8210Members
    I can't really say anything else except that yes you can have one copy installed on two or more computers. I've experienced that at home when I installed the copy on my computer, then updated it (sp1 and so on), then installed it to the other computer hooked up to this, and updated just fine. Both are running perfectly without any problems. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Jun 17 2004, 06:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Jun 17 2004, 06:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1.) Yes you can only have one copy of Win XP for each PC, however Microsoft will also make sure you are only using one version through some online doo-dah so I'd watch out as far as that goes. And anyway as long as you have all the old installation CD's for your old OS's why don't you just by the XP Home/Pro Upgrade That should allow you to get 2 legal copys of XP for about the same as 1 "full" copy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin-Coby+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Coby)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can't really say anything else except that yes you can have one copy installed on two or more computers. I've experienced that at home when I installed the copy on my computer, then updated it (sp1 and so on), then installed it to the other computer hooked up to this, and updated just fine. Both are running perfectly without any problems. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Now I don't know what to believe. ): Some people can, some people can't. Anyone got an authorative answer?

    The trouble is that I didn't get a Win ME installation disc for my PC. It just came pre-installed. I'm still annoyed by that. I've got the CD-Key, but I assume I'd need the physical CD...or would I?
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Jun 17 2004, 06:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Jun 17 2004, 06:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->XP is a very solid program, but it uses lots of memory.  Tons of it.  My current idle system processes when I'm not doing anything at all, in addition to norton, uses about 150mb.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Obligatory OS-tan reference:
    <img src='http://mywebpage.netscape.com/twtranslations/en/tw-95_XP_memory-en.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    As far as I know, there will be no problems with installing XP on either of those computers. It'll actually be BETTER for them, all things considered.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 17 2004, 11:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 17 2004, 11:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now I don't know what to believe. ): Some people can, some people can't. Anyone got an authorative answer?

    The trouble is that I didn't get a Win ME installation disc for my PC. It just came pre-installed. I'm still annoyed by that. I've got the CD-Key, but I assume I'd need the physical CD...or would I? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well its all a case of Microsoft getting XP to call home which it should do to prevent two copys of the same thing being used.

    And you probably will need the CD rather than the CD Key as thats what it asked when we attempted to upgrade.
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And you probably will need the CD rather than the CD Key as thats what it asked when we attempted to upgrade.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Goddamn money-grabbing monkeys.
  • CobyCoby Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8210Members
    If it was pre-installed (like ME was on this computer three years ago.. damn compaq..) then you should have something like system restore or such CD's.. if not then you could get them from the phone support.. mine was imported all the way from Canada to my mailbox woot woot.. So yeah, that's the way how compaq works it out; can't re-install ME unless I want to revert the system back to factory settings <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Then, I remember a year back I had trouble with this compaq keyboard of mine, couldn't find XP drivers for it (which are now some 3rd party ones that work perfectly) so I went through some registrations and authentications to get into a live chat with this guy from tech support! Yay! And when I said

    "I can't find XP drivers.."
    he replied "XP drivers? You mean you don't have ME installed on your computer? Reinstall WinME immediatly if you want your computer to stay functional!"
    "Uhm, what? You're saying that I should install some old crappy OS indtead of XP which supposedly is hundred times better than ME... so your compaq software will work"
    "That's what I mean, yes."
    "Then f___ compaq man, i'll trust 3rd party in this case"
    *technical support has been ended by supporter*

    ... go compaq go <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> Sorry for offtopic rambling but I just got angry >_<
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Jun 17 2004, 12:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Jun 17 2004, 12:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OK Then...

    1.) Yes you can only have one copy of Win XP for each PC, however Microsoft will also make sure you are only using one version through some online doo-dah so I'd watch out as far as that goes. And anyway as long as you have all the old installation CD's for your old OS's why don't you just by the XP Home/Pro Upgrade That should allow you to get 2 legal copys of XP for about the same as 1 "full" copy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That is completely unbreakable, yes sir, you watch those EEEVVVIL hackers get through that, oh yes siree... [/microsoft]

    It takes a good thirty or forty seconds in some cases.

    N.B Yes, I have a legitimate reason for needing to, too. GG Dell pre-installs.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    Yeah but I'm one of these weird people that likes to make sure as much of what he owns is legal.

    Yes I'm weird....
  • 0003900039 Join Date: 2003-03-18 Member: 14653Members
    you could always use win2k since it lacks the BSed activation crap and eats alot less ram also is more stable than XP
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    There are fixes.. hehe <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> You sure you can use the cd for 2 inter-familiar cpus?
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Jun 17 2004, 04:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Jun 17 2004, 04:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> XP is a very solid program, but it uses lots of memory. Tons of it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually it only uses about 25MB more than Win2000.

    And its compatibility w/ software and hardware is a LOT better than Win2k. Unless you have a really really old system that can't handle Thief3 anyway I think you'll like WinXP. I love it, best MS operating system since DOS 6.22.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    As I understand it, WinXP Home can only be installed on one system at a time (Microsoft has ways of verifying this), however Microsoft realized that this would probably cause issues in corporate environments, so they created WinXP Pro without such BS. Of course, since WinXP Pro doesn't have a complicated activation scheme, its the one that gets pirated so MS only screws the legit users, go figure. Anyway, if you are a student (or know a student) you can probably purchase XP Pro at a resonable* price.

    *In comparison to their normal prices.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 17 2004, 03:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 17 2004, 03:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2) What's it like with backwards compatability nowadays for games?
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i tried to install might and magic: the clouds of xeen, made in 1992. for more of an idea, it was on 5 floppy disks. it installed fine but when i tried to run the game it said i didnt have enough memory.
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-SkulkBait+Jun 17 2004, 07:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkulkBait @ Jun 17 2004, 07:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As I understand it, WinXP Home can only be installed on one system at a time (Microsoft has ways of verifying this), however Microsoft realized that this would probably cause issues in corporate environments, so they created WinXP Pro without such BS. Of course, since WinXP Pro doesn't have a complicated activation scheme, its the one that gets pirated so MS only screws the legit users, go figure. Anyway, if you are a student (or know a student) you can probably purchase XP Pro at a resonable* price.

    *In comparison to their normal prices. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Nope. Not true. Pro just has more features for corporate settings, but the same activation BS. Corporations buy volume licensed copies, which do not have the activation, and can be installed on infinite computers. That's what my copy is, got it from my dad's work (it's 99.9% legal too). XP Pro is INFINTELY better than Home, as in home many of the advanced features are unavailable.

    Anyways, the activation is keyed to your hardware. Therefore nope, you can't install it on more than one comp AFAIK. It won't activate, then it won't work after 30 days or some ridiculously short amount of time. You can't even reinstall it a bajillion times either. I had to call M$ to use my old copy of Home after my comp kept getting screwed up by a crappy defective video card (it would kill power too early on shutdown and not finish writing the registry, hence it got all screwed up).

    You can use the upgrade version to upgrade from any physical Win98 and above disc. You only need one and can use it forever to do a fresh install with the upgrade. And yes, do a fresh install. XP over 98/ME tends to create major problems (I couldn't even upgrade, it would shut down randomly during the upgrade installation).
  • RionRion Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7752Members
    edited June 2004
    I've got a pretty new system and I run Thief 3 at low specs with only 10 FPS when I look at lights, I call the water arrows Anti-lag Arrows for a reason. I believe I get slowdown like that cause of my video card. Which is a Geforce 5200, I also have a pent 4 2.8 gig proc with 512 ram.
  • SillyGooseSillyGoose Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14572Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-redeemed darkness+Jun 17 2004, 06:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (redeemed darkness @ Jun 17 2004, 06:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There is no physical barrier but the mental picture Microsoft painted in your mind

    Venmoch I find windows upgrades are very dodgy in my opinion <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You dont need to install ME again to use an upgrade disk.

    Basically you go into your BIOS, select boot from CD, then when you restart have the WinXP upgrade disk in the computer. Somewhere in the install it will ask for your Win98 /ME disk for verification that you are upgrading, and everything else is fine from there. If you dont have a regular 98 disk or ME go to a flee market or something and get one cheap.
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