So I'm Considering Switching To Firefox...
DOOManiac
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<div class="IPBDescription">Dunno, some things are bugging me...</div>So I'm trying out Firefox again, considering making the switch. 24 hours ago I was preaching my dislike of tabbed browsing, but now I think I want to invent a time machine to go and shake myself yelling "Quaid, start the reactor!!!" to teach myself a lesson...
I also got a theme that makes it look just like IE6. Not that I like IE6, its just that it isn't ugly, and well,all the other skins are fuguly...
But right now there's 2 really big annoyances that keep me from throwing away IE...
1) Autocomplete. Firefox doesn't have inline autocomplete. This makes me very, very sad. There's no extension for this, I looked. :(
2) Can't turn off XP's visual styles for web pages. Bah. There's no plug-in to do this either. :/
After a fresh install though, Firefox sucks. A lot. You gotta spend like 4 hours tweaking it and downloading extensions and editing your freakin config files by hand to tweak it to not be utter **** and start to be a half decent package. Hope I don't have to reinstall anytime soon.
Also there's a few other hassles, such as not being able to ever remove an extension once you install it (WTH were they smoking?) and raging instability (Firefox has crashed on me about 12 times since installing it, whereas IE never ever crashes unless its a page that was designed to make IE crash). And I miss my Google Toolbar. The Firefox one looks incredibly stupid...
So, those of you in the crowd who are diciples of the Firefox church, what say you as to ways to solve my current delimas and thus gain another wacko to your fanclub?
I also got a theme that makes it look just like IE6. Not that I like IE6, its just that it isn't ugly, and well,all the other skins are fuguly...
But right now there's 2 really big annoyances that keep me from throwing away IE...
1) Autocomplete. Firefox doesn't have inline autocomplete. This makes me very, very sad. There's no extension for this, I looked. :(
2) Can't turn off XP's visual styles for web pages. Bah. There's no plug-in to do this either. :/
After a fresh install though, Firefox sucks. A lot. You gotta spend like 4 hours tweaking it and downloading extensions and editing your freakin config files by hand to tweak it to not be utter **** and start to be a half decent package. Hope I don't have to reinstall anytime soon.
Also there's a few other hassles, such as not being able to ever remove an extension once you install it (WTH were they smoking?) and raging instability (Firefox has crashed on me about 12 times since installing it, whereas IE never ever crashes unless its a page that was designed to make IE crash). And I miss my Google Toolbar. The Firefox one looks incredibly stupid...
So, those of you in the crowd who are diciples of the Firefox church, what say you as to ways to solve my current delimas and thus gain another wacko to your fanclub?
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I also got a theme that makes it look just like IE6. Not that I like IE6, its just that it isn't ugly, and well,all the other skins are fuguly...
But right now there's 2 really big annoyances that keep me from throwing away IE...
1) Autocomplete. Firefox doesn't have inline autocomplete. This makes me very, very sad. There's no extension for this, I looked. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
2) Can't turn off XP's visual styles for web pages. Bah. There's no plug-in to do this either. :/
After a fresh install though, Firefox sucks. A lot. You gotta spend like 4 hours tweaking it and downloading extensions and editing your freakin config files by hand to tweak it to not be utter **** and start to be a half decent package. Hope I don't have to reinstall anytime soon.
Also there's a few other hassles, such as not being able to ever remove an extension once you install it (WTH were they smoking?) and raging instability (Firefox has crashed on me about 12 times since installing it, whereas IE never ever crashes unless its a page that was designed to make IE crash). And I miss my Google Toolbar. The Firefox one looks incredibly stupid...
So, those of you in the crowd who are diciples of the Firefox church, what say you as to ways to solve my current delimas and thus gain another wacko to your fanclub? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
WTH are you doing with it? I've only had it crash because I didn't have adobe, opened a pdf, and it started replicating hundreds of windows for some reason. And theres this button that says 'uninstall' for the extensions. Either that or usually (good) extensions have the ability to uninstall within the configs,
Nope. Skins can be uninstalled, but not extensions. The best you can do is enable/disable them, but even if they are disabled they are still cluttering things up.
[edit]Here's another one I highly recommend and still use. It took me awhile to get used to the idea that closing the window may close more websites than I intended to, so I found <a href='http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#tabwarning' target='_blank'>this</a>. Just pops up a simple ok/cancel dialog when you want to close, but have >1 website tab (and therefore have at least one website you may not really want to close quite yet)
And yeah the tabwarning thing is good.
Still wish I could disable these blasted visual styles. Man they suck for web sites.
This isn't the browser you're looking for.
*waves his hand in front of DOOManiac again*
IE6 has a great IE6 skin.
<a href='http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firefox/uninstaller/uninstaller.xpi' target='_blank'>http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firef...uninstaller.xpi</a>
requires:
<a href='http://downloads.mozdev.org/jslib/xpi/jslib_current.xpi' target='_blank'>http://downloads.mozdev.org/jslib/xpi/jslib_current.xpi</a>
I don't know why uninstallation wasn't designed into the damned thing though.
What do you mean by "XP's visual styles for web pages"? I'm not an XP user so this one doesn't make sense to me.
As for inline autocomplete.. no idea...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The only reason you should use a different browser type is if you browse those infested porn sites with all the adware and viruses they have stuck on them. Other then that, IE will work just fine. Not to mention you don't have to spend hours configuring it. Firefox is for the Linux fans out there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are other reasons, they may or may not be reasons that would make <b>you</b> consider switching, but they do exist. For instance, I can't live without mouse gestures , and IE gives me that "doing bad things behind your back" feel...
it wouldnt maximise properly
so now im on firefox 0.8
WIN!
took me a while to get the bookmarks working again ,but now its working, its fine <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->:D
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not to mention you don't have to spend hours configuring it. Firefox is for the Linux fans out there<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
L.O.L.
As opposed to not having the opportunity to customize anything other than your home page and cache? This 'customization period' you speak of is the same as any other browser, and you can go from IE to firefox without <u>any</u> customization (0 seconds is hardly "hours"). However once you find that you have less spyware, popups etc, you like this new browser, you give it a name and hug it regurarly. Eventyally you right click on the toolbar and click customize providing a user friendly way to make browsing easier. Then your happyness is reflected on the forums where you express your love for your pet, and then others who hate you for loving it so criticize it for being too warm and fuzzy.
Also if you are that into browsers why not buy one, say like Opera? it has alot of the bugs ironed out and is very cool.
Personally, I use the full Mozilla. It has a lot more configuration options than Firefox, though it's a bit bloatier with the e-mail client, web page composer, and Chatzilla (which can be deselected at install-time).
It also allows you to select a search engine of preference, type your search in the URL bar, hit the down arrow, and searches your engine rather than defaulting to the crappy MSN-Search.
As for the crashes, have you looked at the optimized builds of Firefox? They're compiled specifically for given processors/OSen off the nightly CVS builds (meaning: they're up to absolute-latest every night). If you still crash with an optimized build, it isn't the program... it's your machine, or OS install.
The new Opera 7.50 is looking sweet.
I have never had an actualy virus/spyware/adware/anything attack
then again I am behind a hardware firewall (Linksys that I have never had problems with so *pbbbtttt*), use the google toolbar (and I love it dearly), and run virus proc/otherware proc regularly.
I have just never seen a reason to switch to a new browser (I also never got the problems with these boards <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
The only other browser I have ever realy used was phoenix (when doing coding asignments in linux in the CS labs), I know it was an old version, and that was probably why it sucked, but meh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Random note:
why am I jeuker.no-ip.com asking for my user/pass when ever I look at this page....
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oh, its factors avatar ....
<!--QuoteBegin-factor+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (factor)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I used firefox for about a week.. before I went back to MSN Explorer. I couldn't locate any of these "plugins" for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Factor, if you cant locate the plugins, look harder, and call it extension instead of plugin <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
hint: In firefox, type "firefox extensions" in the address bar. It will do a "Im feeling lucky" search on google for it. Yup...it the first result in a google search. That was hard, aint it?
edit: yea, most of the skins for Firefox are really fugly. However, there are a few gems amongst the sea of ****.
Why on earth would you want to use the IE rendering engine? It's incompetently written. Microsoft blatantly ignores standards left and right.
This isn't the browser you're looking for.
*waves his hand in front of DOOManiac again*
IE6 has a great IE6 skin. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ROFL
comdey gold
Why on earth would you want to use the IE rendering engine? It's incompetently written. Microsoft blatantly ignores standards left and right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because it gets the job done and it gets the job done well for me. Despite Microsoft ignoring standards left and right, pages still display perfectly fine. Things <b>work</b>, and that is the reason I'm sticking with the IE rendering engine.
If things work fine with the IE rendering engine, there's no reason to change.
They don't so much ignore standards as interpret them differently (ie wrongly).
So, getting Microsoft to follow the standards would, in their eyes, be 'breaking' Internet Explorer, at least when compared with previous versions of IE.
I've noticed that a very risky thing in computing is to have a single implementation of something which is then regarded as the 'standard'. A lot of the Win32 API, for instance, has various non-documented quirks and bugs in, which <i>many programs rely on</i>. With HTML renderers, if you code to the standards and have browser-specific workarounds for browser-specific bugs, then you have a good chance of supporting everything - but if you code for one particular browser (usually IE), all the other browsers have to emulate that browser's bugs and misfeatures.
Anyway, Firefox is nice. It's my browser of choice on Windows - after Konqueror on Linux and Safari on the Mac. It's not perfect, but it's still only a 0.8 release. Anyone remember Internet Explorer 1.0? I do.
It was <b>rubbish</b> <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Enter the reason why I made the switch...
Factor, if you cant locate the plugins, look harder, and call it extension instead of plugin <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
hint: In firefox, type "firefox extensions" in the address bar. It will do a "Im feeling lucky" search on google for it. Yup...it the first result in a google search. That was hard, aint it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bah, thats the hard way: Tools->Options->Extentions->Get New Extentions
Drop to your knees and pray to the great linux god!
At least, I <b><i>think</i></b> I installed stock Firefox...
<i>Dun dun dun...</i>
Why on earth would you want to use the IE rendering engine? It's incompetently written. Microsoft blatantly ignores standards left and right. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because it gets the job done and it gets the job done well for me. Despite Microsoft ignoring standards left and right, pages still display perfectly fine. Things <b>work</b>, and that is the reason I'm sticking with the IE rendering engine.
If things work fine with the IE rendering engine, there's no reason to change. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<psst> That's because of its prevalence, morons code for it, and vacuum-skulled marketing managers force intelligent people to code for it if they want to keep their jobs. IE would be *incredibly* useless if people coded to the standards. It's that mode of thinking (why change if it works) that put George Dubya Bush in the white house, and why a marketing monopoly is allowed to IGNORE federal standards.
Much as I adore the standards and make damn sure every site I make has good solid code, the fact that the vast majority of home users dont' care about standards and just want to hop on the net using the first available browser suggests to me that even if IE is bad, it should still be accepted as the most-used browser and worked with.
Also, IE (actually IE2 for the tabbed browsing) is my browser of choice for just about everything. If I need something it can't do then I make a switch for a couple of specific sites, but I always go back to IE.
Wow, I post my opinoin of what I see of it and I get flamed for it. Nice, oh, and the no capitilization thing, that's a nice touch. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Here's the reason you won't see a lot of people use any other internet browser. They are used to IE. Done, over with. That's why you don't see stores selling LINUX boxes. It takes some people years to get over their fear of screwing up Windows. They don't want to put the time or effort into another OS, much less one that requires some tinkering in a CUI rather than a GUI. Same goes for browsers, spouting out how crappy one is over the other and what not won't get the majority of people to change. The only way would be to make an exact copy of the one they're used to but provide reasons they would want it. Such as less pop-ups, less chances of viruses. But remember, it HAS to be a clone, they have to be able to start it up and not notice any difference in them. That is your average user, and if you're getting into the IT and Networking world, you WILL have to adapt to that train of thought or otherwise, you will go insane.
As for customization, I'm the type of person that just wants it to work, that's it. I don't want to be able to make it look like this or something, if it works good for me with little problems, then I'm happy. That's why I use IE, because it does that. It has bugs, LIKE EVERY OTHER PIECE OF SOFTWARE OUT THERE (there are software companies that make products as buggy and flawed as MS, but you only hear the MS bitching because they're big,) and you will have to run Virus Scanners and adware scanners, but you should be doing that anyways to make sure you're still safe, regardless of what OS or even browser you're using. If someone wants onto your computer, they will get on it. But if you make it almost not worth the effort, then they will probably ignore yours and move onto someone elses.
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