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NecroNecro <insert non-birthday-related title here> Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
<div class="IPBDescription">And how does a clan find out whos good</div>since you cant look at personal score, you can't just try out EVERYONE who wants in, so how will u check how good they are?
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  • XHydraliskXHydralisk Join Date: 2002-07-14 Member: 945Members
    just try out EVERYONE who wants in
  • EpochEpoch Join Date: 2002-10-10 Member: 1474Members
    How about, who works well with their teammates? Or, who is a skilled commander? I'm sure there are many things that can be used for qualification criteria when recruiting for a clan, not just numbers and stats.
  • JasperJasper Join Date: 2002-04-08 Member: 390Members
    Take them into cs and see how they do .....
  • DunsbyDunsby Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1042Awaiting Authorization
    Play svencoop so you work as a team and hope you get along well, also try not to get annoying people, they tend to get kicked from the clan in future and take others along with them.
  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
    svencoop? cs? why when ns is out, just cause ur ownage at ns does NOT mean you'll be good in sven or cs.
  • GreedoGreedo Bounty Hunter Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 37Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Necro-+Oct. 23 2002,14:29--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Necro- @ Oct. 23 2002,14:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->svencoop? cs? why when ns is out, just cause ur ownage at ns does NOT mean you'll be good in sven or cs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yah, like MonsE for example.  He's awful at CS, and yet in NS he's.. also... awful.  Okay!  Bad example!

    Umm...

    <!--me&Greedo386--><span id='ME'><center>Greedo386 runs.</center></span><!--e-me-->
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    There are lots of ways, thats what spectator mode is for. You can have duels with people.
    I mean, how do you think people do it in TFC? In that game you cant rely on scores alone. If im playing as a scout I expect to get -1/60+ (the -1 is the suicide in prematch) as I dont try and cap, I just get the flag through the base (otherwise Id have to save a conc for getting to the cap point).
    A defender sometimes dies lots of times and their job is to weaken and warn. An HW in the well hardly moves and hardly seen any action but is vital to winning. These things are tested out in trial but observing and dueling. NS would be the same.
  • EatsEats Join Date: 2002-10-24 Member: 1582Members
    Bah, I used to be in a top 10 tfc clan two years ago(pre-weakend concs and new lag system) and you better believe we tried people out by duels/runs/recruit status.

    Essentially whenever you try someone out you expect them to be below peak ability.  All you are trying to figure out is if they have the potential to be good.  Let them run a few times as a scout(assuming they play light o) against you as an engineer/soldier on 2fort and see how they do.
    If you like how they're doing then make them a recruit, give them scripts(assuming they lack them), and teach them some tactics.  Make them play engineer against your scout and they'll watch what you do to them to get by.  They should learn from what you do, keep teaching and then when they're ready put em in a scrim and see how they do.

    By the end of recruiting period if they've learned enough to make them good and haven't had problems with the team, make them members.
  • 10RoUNdTOmMYgUN10RoUNdTOmMYgUN Join Date: 2002-05-03 Member: 572Members
    For ns , I would suggest getting a core of ppl together and develop your tactics and get a base going for the clan. Then bring ppl in who are neither disruptive or just plain jack-##### into the fold as recruits. If they pass a probation period and are receptive to the rules of the clan and the ppl in it enjoy playing with them , let em in.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
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    Greedo386  runs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've been waiting for that longer then you think

    /Tycho usurps Greedo through a cunning mixture of brute force and something to dip food in.

    I myself was in a clan that looked for personality first, skill second. So you can recruit nice people, then kick them out if NS comes out and they suck  <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
  • Res1Res1 Join Date: 2002-08-18 Member: 1187Members
    In TFC many clans recruit differently.  But the way that works the best as I see it is this:  Get someone that wants to join (or a few) and get some of your members together.  Then seperate the offensive/defensive ppl.  Play a map that is well known like 2fort.  Play 5(4) defense vs offense and have your members watch them.  Pick who you like out of that, then have them play in a couple scrims and if they do well then you have a new member (Things to look for - Communication, attitude, teamwork, skill) <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->.

    Some of this could be applied to NS for finding a recruit.

    P.S.  Eats what tfc clan were you in?  I'm quite well versed in the TFC community <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> past clans in tfc = [CLAW] - pre-1.5, [5150*]- pre-1.5, [*E*] -top10 clan, [13] currently.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Not sure exactly how clan play is on various mods, but I can tell you that in private play (i.e. the playtests), NS is a completely different beast.  The amount of conversation between teammates is *staggering* - even playing with EC in practices (TFC and CS), we seldom discussed tactics any more complex than "ok, you two, come with me through the water entrance."  Natural Selection has *constant* strategy on the marine side, true teamwork, and LOTS of communication.  I imagine marine recruits will be accepted based on ability to follow orders, communication skills, and performing various functions in a squad (e.g. point, shotgunner, building demolitions, heavy support, welding/building).  Aliens can be assessed a bit by their scores, while individual classes can test for things like:

    Skulk - ambushing, navigation using leap, running defenses to attack the CC, parasiting.
    Gorge - intelligent building placement, capable frontline support, traps, and resource management.
    Lerk - Movement (especially dodging) skills, energy management, and teamwork with Umbra.
    Fade - effective weapon-switching and blink proficiency (it's tricky to get good at&#33<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->.
    Onos - There's actually a bit more strategy to Onos than you might think, especially (I'd imagine) in clan play.  Knowing when to retreat, knowing how to deal with unorthodox threats (e.g. jetpacks, elevated marines), and attacking as part of a group (primal scream).

    Just my thoughts.  (:
  • RadiocageRadiocage Join Date: 2002-09-30 Member: 1381Members
    Coil is always so informative!

    As you know, there will always be differences in the way clans recruit. I suggest just doing things that would test the teamwork aspect of both teams, and deciding if they would be a helpful asset to your clan.
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    If Eats is <i>THE</i> Eats then he was in one of the top 3 in the UK.
    Dont play against him unless you like losing <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • EatsEats Join Date: 2002-10-24 Member: 1582Members
    I think you're too recent for me since I'm pre-concs being nerfed.  I'm more around the time of ce(best clan ever, went undefeated for over a year) and kin(I wasn't in these just trying to give a timeframe)(these were #1 and #2 respectively.) But no matter.

    I spent most of my clan life in Blacksun.  I left along with all the other key members who kept it alive and held main positions, when we decided it was time for the clan to fold.  After we left the clan was reformed, largely by people we kicked out for not meshing/sucking as a bronze league clan that wasn't good(what bronze league clan is?).  I don't know if that clan is still around but it doesn't represent the real blacksun.

    I also had a short stint with Null and......another top 10 clan, the name escapes me right now tho, but those were around the time I was getting out.

    Also I used to run pickup games(if they still do that)  If you know any old timers to tfc they might remember me.
  • EatsEats Join Date: 2002-10-24 Member: 1582Members
    well...I'm probably gonna be in a clan(assuming I like the game) and I plan to pull from the fps and rts community.  I run a site www.shambler.net(don't mean to drop ads or anything, sorry) that used to be owned by Zileas(if you know anything bout RTS you know him) however, when he went to work for Blizzard as a designer I was given the site, so I'm hoping some of the RTS players from that forum will try their hands at commander and the other various positions(if you're good at rts it is 99.9% likely that you're good at fps, but not the other way around.)  For the rest I suppose I'll draw from other places.  I think drawing from the rts community for a clan *might* be very important for this game tho(I'm still a bit skeptical about this as it seems like there is no class system and hard counters appear to be lacking, so we may end up with a wc3 wannabe RTS kinda thing.)  

    On another note:
    Trying to draw a clan from personality can get you a stable clan....but all the members have to be ok with losing often, which was ok with no clan i've ever been in or seen really.....  Drawing a clan from skill can give you a very unstable clan though.  However, drawing a clan from skill and making sure the members are mature, thats what makes a good clan.  That's my observation from watching clans for about 2 years.
  • Res1Res1 Join Date: 2002-08-18 Member: 1187Members
    Actually I'm not too recent for you Eats <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> I was around in the CE - KiN eras, I just wasn't in a top clan then <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->  I played against almost all of those old clans.  Seems like it was so long ago.

    EDIT:  Oh yeah and I do remember blacksun quite well.  Good clan, but after they died and reformed with different members they weren't good :/  And no they aren't around anymore.
  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
    most of you didn't seemingly get the question, this was aimed at WHEN ns is out.  since u can't judgde most of them by pure ego (score) like u can in every other game.
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Pretty much the top recruitment factor I go by is attitude and personality.   I don't care how amazingly baddass and skilled you are, if your a total jerk and no-one can stand you, well, whats the point?
  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Daxx22+Oct. 24 2002,12:32--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Daxx22 @ Oct. 24 2002,12:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pretty much the top recruitment factor I go by is attitude and personality.   I don't care how amazingly baddass and skilled you are, if your a total jerk and no-one can stand you, well, whats the point?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Evolutionarily Challenged goes by attitude, personality and dedication. I agree, any other basis for a clan means that 99% of the time they will not last.
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    I dont think you can concentrate on only a few of the points that makes a good clanner. You have to recruit by everything thats needed, not just a few and then hope they will have the rest.

    I guess there must be 2 kickass Eats <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->. Ive been in TFC since the original patch and Ive heard of KiN and CE of course but Ive always been more interested in the UK scene really and so I dont know any of the top US players. The UK Eats has been around for ages... not actually sure if he still plays as I dont have much time for TFC lately (:().
  • JasperJasper Join Date: 2002-04-08 Member: 390Members
    when I was a clan leader I would like to get newbes then, after 6 months they would get better and they would stay with the clan. Our clan was like 1st or 2nd in star lancer......I still play with some of them, and that was like 3 years back.
  • EatsEats Join Date: 2002-10-24 Member: 1582Members
    I vaguely recall claw, were they in top 20?

    Is that communist clan still around?  I forget their name, but my favorite tfc match ever was against them.(dbl overtime in well back when concs were strong, in fact, we used to have this trick where heavy o and light o would meet in water, and we'd drop a conc and cj both a light and a heavy up with one nade, it was cool.)

    Also how about bm(bad muthas), still around?(our arch nemesis, only because they were huge ####### who tried to get mad lag advantage with garbage servers cause they couldn't compete with us, or any other top 10 clan for that matter, on fair terms.  I remember once we had to play on a server with over 400 pings against them, cause ogl rules are?/were broken.)

    heh, ce and kin weren't even in the same league as us (despite being like 8 places away.)  I played them each once or twice, and it was sick.  They slaughtered us like 7-2 both rds.....they were way too good.....much better then every other clan in the league.

    good times.....
  • DunsbyDunsby Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1042Awaiting Authorization
    <!--QuoteBegin--Necro-+Oct. 23 2002,21:20--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Necro- @ Oct. 23 2002,21:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->since you cant look at personal score, you can't just try out EVERYONE who wants in, so how will u check how good they are?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It doesnt matter about the score, its about teamwork
  • EatsEats Join Date: 2002-10-24 Member: 1582Members
    Also, when you say UK, what leagues are you talking about?
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    I guess I know more about the UKTFCL than any other although since it had a redesign and lost a whole load of teams Ive been playing with other leagues more. Im not sure I remember a claw team. The top teams for ages have been DW and BC, possibly 187 now as well. I dont know enough about the TFC scene nowadays, Im slowly falling behind through lack of practice and time, its become more frustrating to play now that Im not as good as I was, people I could beat easily are now challenges and my old challenges now just dance past me, gibbing as they go. Mostly because everyone has jumped on to broadband and its to hard to compete now :/.

    Urgh, what a dreary post that was...

    WOOHOO, NS WILL BE OUT SOON <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • Res1Res1 Join Date: 2002-08-18 Member: 1187Members
    CMEast, claw was US clan.. so u.s. leagues.  Eats, bM isn't around anymore heh, they didn't last long. And as for the 'communist' clan, that would be clan |{ = Kollektiv.  Yes they are still around.

    I have no clue about top tfc clans in the UK, only know about the top tfc clans in NA. = north america.
  • UnknownUnknown Join Date: 2002-06-12 Member: 759Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Eats+Oct. 24 2002,19:37--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Eats @ Oct. 24 2002,19:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Is that communist clan still around?  I forget their name, but my favorite tfc match ever was against them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Are you talking about my clan?

    [SUF] was our old tag about 2 years ago.  -|SUF|- is our new tag.  Same name though....

    Soviets Under Fire.

    I don't remember a Eats so maybe you arn't talking about us. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->


    [on-topic]I am head recruiter of the SUF NS faction (and leader of it).  I am going to be looking for good Skulk players with good bite skills and good people skills.  If you don't have people skills (like being nice and keeping your cool) then you have a 1% chance of making it in.  I don't really plan on taking SUF to the marine side but we could always use a good HMG/GL-er (We don't have many HWGuys/Demomen in our clan).  We have the commander thing settled though.[/on-topic]
  • SainkuSainku Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1594Members
    i think you should get a bunch of recruits the recruiter goes into spec and watches the alien team and the marine to see who follows orders and such..... the do a nother round with teams opposite of what they were marines-aliens to aliens-marines.. and repeat till you iron out the ... um well jerks <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::asrifle::'><!--endemo--> weeeeeeeooooooooooeeeeeeeoooooooWOOOOeeh WEEEAHHAHAHAHA
  • Res1Res1 Join Date: 2002-08-18 Member: 1187Members
    nah he meant |{ Kollektiv, unknown.  They are one of the oldest tfc clans around.  Actually I'm not even sure they are still around, I took 7 months off from TFC :x
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