Beta 4

Zek

If we can assume that the nasty bugs like the hitbox sparks are going to be fixed, the only other things I'm concerned about right now are balance/gameplay related. I'm hoping for something that will make Combat fun again, rather than just a chore we have to go through to get people to join the server(though at the moment it's more likely to make me leave). I'd also be thrilled if something was done to address the Aliens' incredible dependence on one or two Fades to do the majority of the entire team's fighting, but I have no particular reason to think that will happen... Any other new features, and this new system, are just icing on the cake. I just hope we can get the cake tasting better before release instead of icing over it(omg metaphor).

Cereal_KillR

<!--QuoteBegin-BigMadSteve+Apr 19 2004, 06:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BigMadSteve @ Apr 19 2004, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Apr 19 2004, 03:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Apr 19 2004, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I was mad excited for NS 2.0. I remember I was in Scotland for vacation and couldn't sleep for the night, knowing that I was missing its release for about a month.

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We <i>do</i> have computers here you know <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Could have tried a net cafe.

I must have been under a rock for ages because I knew nothing of this release. I'll read the RR article about it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
not where I was in the Highlands (and not Inverness, just some small village "near" Gairloch called Achnasheen)

And there's nothing there. NOTHING D:

Petco

I am sort of exited, but not until I see the changes and stuff which I am interested in to reading. I mostly like to see some map changes and so.

echs

I'm looking very forward to it...Just purely because, I liked Bast. But I can't wait, until NS is out of beta !

Scorpion571

Looking forward to it, but I'm not <i>that</i> excited about it.

Griff-512

Im just waiting for the day where NS turns into CS and ill have to find another game <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
its gonna happen, i just hope not too soon.

Paranoia2MB

<!--QuoteBegin-ZERG!!+Apr 19 2004, 10:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZERG!! @ Apr 19 2004, 10:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Last time I was excited I got a hand grenade. WOooo! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And look at how useful they are! *rolls eyes*
Hehehe

I think also that it will just be bug fixes and balance changes. What "big and new" thing can they come up with? AvA/MvM? I really don't care if they make that or not. I can just play on a server that has that mod. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

You know, it could always be a flame thrower for some of you pyrotechnitions *sp* <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->.

Drummer

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Flamethrower - we know you want one. Flayra is working on it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

one word says it all: w00t!!!

there's a good chance that we wont have the flamethrower yet, but there is a long list of things that they're working on putting into NS, and im sure that a few of them are going in, because of this "new system" that is going to be implemented

Norml_E_High

Eh, I definately want to play it, but I still dread the inevitable problems. I want to know what the new system is too. I really hope they fix shotgun sparks too... so all those arrogant skulks will start getting blown in two when they should.

Jabba_The_Hunt

don't care too much about the beta, but I want to know what the new system is, why they can't tell us I don't know. I wouldn't mind if I knew what i was getting excited about, but its getting kinda anoyoying not knowing.

Huge_mofo_Roach

BAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

I also hope they change the communist res system for aliens cause it sux hardcore <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

demonx

I'm pretty excited about b4's release. I'm especially curious on what this "new system" is. I don't think v3.0 will ever leave BETA's. With this "new system", I'd expect 4 more BETA's out of v3.0 and then all of a sudden you see v4.0 out.

Soylent_green

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Im not excited much, Flayra is not very active on forums and Im worried about NS future.. I hope new changes and "feature" will help balance, fun factor and teamplay and not hurt it..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I sort of remember him occassionally posting on the forums, but I think it's all too big now. Where at around a million posts on the forums...

remi

<!--QuoteBegin-[BFG]-|NiKoN|-+Apr 19 2004, 04:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([BFG]-|NiKoN|- @ Apr 19 2004, 04:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Psyke+Apr 19 2004, 01:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Psyke @ Apr 19 2004, 01:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, if they were to do that, it would be called beta 5. The news post implies it will be in this beta. If they make another update, it's not going to be called beta 4 still. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
did you even read Nem0's post?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes I did, I didn't agree. Going back and reading the quote I see how it could mean either though...
I think that it does mean THIS beta. as in beta 4, not the beta as a whole.
If it doesn't, then flayra (or whoever posted it, i think it was flayra), was extremely unclear, the way it is said implies beta 4, in my opinion. Otherwise it wouldn't be in that post, once again, in my opinion.

Nemesis_Zero

To clarify myself: I meant 'Beta 4', as well, but the fact that a not necessarily integral system is being tested in the duration of the version does not have to mean that it will be necessarily unveiled at the same date.
Following possible scenario: <ul><li>Beta 4 is being released. It includes all necessary client- and server- side code to test the system, but these parts are not being activated yet.</li><li>Beta 4 goes through the usual testing/feedback cycle - people get a feeling for the changes, and the devs are not tasked with immediate beta-related work anymore.</li><li>The system is being activated and tested on the basis of a more or less 'stabilized' version.</li></ul>There can be quite a while between point #1 and #3, so do yourselves all a favor and don't hold your breathe.

Tobold

im <i>this</i> excited!
*holds arms out wide*

Asal_The_Unforgiving

<!--QuoteBegin-Even~Flow+Apr 19 2004, 10:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Even~Flow @ Apr 19 2004, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not overly excited, mostly looking forward to the new Bast, but aside from that there's no changelog to see what else is changing... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bast is back? Sweet. Guess that means I need to find out other things. I still think nancy is better, though. At least when people know what I'm talking about when I say "Phase outside noname!"

<b>MOTHER IS MOTHER INTERFACE, PEOPLE, NOT A HIVE!</b>

Paranoia2MB

My buddy came up with a conclusion and I partially agree with him that this "new big revolutionary game play change" thing is just going to be NS will be supported by Steam and will get auto-updated. That's it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Cereal_KillR

<!--QuoteBegin-Asal The Unforgiving+Apr 20 2004, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Asal The Unforgiving @ Apr 20 2004, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>MOTHER IS MOTHER INTERFACE, PEOPLE, NOT A HIVE!</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mother was always a hive. In fact, my memory might be twisted, but I think I remember actually seeing Mother Hive in 1.0

The interface is just the interface used to control Mother (like in Alien a bit)

Asal_The_Unforgiving

<!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Apr 20 2004, 02:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Apr 20 2004, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Asal The Unforgiving+Apr 20 2004, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Asal The Unforgiving @ Apr 20 2004, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>MOTHER IS MOTHER INTERFACE, PEOPLE, NOT A HIVE!</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mother was always a hive. In fact, my memory might be twisted, but I think I remember actually seeing Mother Hive in 1.0

The interface is just the interface used to control Mother (like in Alien a bit) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know, I know. I just started in 1.04 and became old and cratchety with 3.0's release. I am simply plagued by mother inteface being 'mother' and having no other name, and running back and forth across the map to check each isn't very effective....

Nemesis_Zero

<!--QuoteBegin-Paranoia-2MB+Apr 20 2004, 07:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Paranoia-2MB @ Apr 20 2004, 07:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My buddy came up with a conclusion and I partially agree with him that this "new big revolutionary game play change" thing is just going to be NS will be supported by Steam and will get auto-updated. That's it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can promise that your buddy is oh so wrong.

Zek

Well, I hope we at least find out what this system is going to be before anything related to it is being patched into our clients.

Salvation_r2

<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Apr 19 2004, 09:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Apr 19 2004, 09:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't get excited. It's much more fun if you have low expectation even if that means it might be surprisingly good when it's out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
egxacly

paco

where's a log of all the changes??

Nurot

<!--QuoteBegin-Huge_mofo_Roach+Apr 20 2004, 08:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Huge_mofo_Roach @ Apr 20 2004, 08:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also hope they change the communist res system for aliens cause it sux hardcore <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't you mean the marines have a communist res system, the aliens I'd say is more of a capitolistic res system <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Align

On a completely unrelated note, this taken from IRC:

<@Flayra|beta4-friday> ? Increased Combat spawn wait time slightly to shorten game times (makes it more of a disadvantage when you die). Minimum spawn time increased from 5 to 7 seconds.
<@Flayra|beta4-friday> I'm also thinking about putting lerk spikes back in and combining spores and umbra but that's a scary change

Jav

Was wondering if umbra healed hives?
I used it on a co_ map a few minuites ago and it did nothing. <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Align

Nope, umbra doesn't heal anything at all. It stops 1 out of every 3 bullets from hitting if sprayed at a friendly lifeform or building.
So if you spit a cloud on the hive, any marine shooting at it will do about one third less damage.

MrMojo

Nope. It doesn't and never did.

BreakfastSausages

<!--QuoteBegin-Align+Apr 20 2004, 04:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Apr 20 2004, 04:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> On a completely unrelated note, this taken from IRC:

<@Flayra|beta4-friday> I'm also thinking about putting lerk spikes back in and combining spores and umbra but that's a scary change <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
that would be cool.