12 Am/12 Pm

Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
<div class="IPBDescription">which is which?</div> As you all know, 12 AM and 12 PM have - by standards - been unused. The reason is the fact that "am" means "before noon" and "pm" is "after noon"

Yet, people from time to time still use these. And which is which?

For example, 12 AM on sunday: midnight from saturday to sunday or noon?
12 AM is 12 hours before noon (midnight)
or 12 AM is noon (12 o'clock, "morning")
12 PM is 12 hours after noon (next midnight)

Now when something says "12 AM" or "12 PM" when does it take place? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
God I love 24 hour clocks <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->


(also; is midnight from saturday to sunday considered midnight of saturday or midnight of sunday?

Comments

  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    12 PM- Noon
    12 AM- Midnight
  • TransmissionTransmission Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14456Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 27 2004, 07:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 27 2004, 07:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 12 PM- Noon
    12 AM- Midnight <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For me it's the opposite.

    12 PM - midnight
    12 AM - noon
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    edited March 2004
    To solve this problem, if the person I'm talking with would be annoyed by the way I set my watch to 24 hour time, I'll call midnight "high noon" and the daytime 12 "midday noon" or "12 midday."

    [edit]In a post below, Zig refers to a Gary Cooper movie called "High Noon." Apparently I have it backwards, "high noon" actually means middle-of-the-daylight-daytime noon after all.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    At 12 and night, look at your clock displayed on the lower right of your screen, it'll say 12:AM. That's when the day starts.
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    12 Noon
    12 Midnight

    Problem Solved.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rellix+Mar 27 2004, 06:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rellix @ Mar 27 2004, 06:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 12 Noon
    12 Midnight

    Problem Solved. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Damn. Beat me to it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 27 2004, 06:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 27 2004, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 12 PM- Noon
    12 AM- Midnight <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Mantrid and Liku are correct.

    (It's not a matter of preference. This is the correct answer.)
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    The correct answer is 1200 - noon 0000 - midnight.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    edited March 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Marik_Steele+Mar 27 2004, 03:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik_Steele @ Mar 27 2004, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'll call midnight "high noon" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    and gary cooper himself shall strike you down!

    but coil..

    isn't 12 noon 12pm?

    and 12 midnight 12am?

    because it goes 12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11, doesn't it?
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    I prefer 00:00 being 24:00 even though that is wrong... :-)
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Mar 27 2004, 07:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Mar 27 2004, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    but coil..

    isn't 12 noon 12pm?

    and 12 midnight 12am?

    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    that's what he said.
  • SycophantSycophant Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7092Members
    This is one nasty way to get people to vehemently debate a rather trivial topic. Nice job! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    So here's how it is - 12:00am is midnight. When converted to a 24-hour clock, "12:00am" is "00:00", which is clearly the start of a new day.

    Liku proved that midnight is 12:00am - look at your clock as it changes to 12:00 midnight. The pm will change to "am" as soon as it hits 12:00.

    Still not convinced? <a href='http://www.googlism.com/when_is/1/12:00_am/' target='_blank'>Googlism to the rescue!</a>
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->12:00 am is early morning
    12:00 am is midnight and 12
    12:00 am is considered to be midnight
    12:00 am is the same as start of day
    12:00 am is the astronomical middle of the night<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    But then, from the same list....
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->12:00 am is ambiguous and confusing
    12:00 am is blinking
    12:00 am is the time
    12:00 am is really our 6<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • GrillkohleGrillkohle Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24695Members, Constellation
    Maybe one of the reasons why we use 00:00 - 23:59 in Germany. Man, we are so far superior to you guys. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TransmissionTransmission Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14456Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grillkohle+Mar 28 2004, 12:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grillkohle @ Mar 28 2004, 12:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe one of the reasons why we use 00:00 - 23:59 in Germany. Man, we are so far superior to you guys. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You and all of Europe. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grillkohle+Mar 27 2004, 10:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grillkohle @ Mar 27 2004, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe one of the reasons why we use 00:00 - 23:59 in Germany. Man, we are so far superior to you guys. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, I have to agree with you. America can be pretty f**ked up at times. I really enjoyed living in Holland a lot more.
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    And this is why people in my job use 24hr time. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GWARGWAR Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2297Members, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cpl.Davis+Mar 27 2004, 11:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Mar 27 2004, 11:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And this is why people in my job use 24hr time. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I use 24 hours as well... its surprising how many dont understand it.

    "Hey, ill be there at 1530"
  • CronosCronos Join Date: 2002-10-18 Member: 1542Members
    Do people at your work participate in the 2 minutes hate and use memory holes as well?
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    gwar, 24 hours as "1530" is only used by the military. Normal people say 15:30 <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    Logic would have 12 am after 11 am and 12 pm after 12 pm.

    Unfortunately, standards have it that neither is correct: check any sort of schedule (airport especially, as they can't allow ambiguity)


    Liku: my clock is set to 24 hour cycles: problem solved yet again <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rellix+Mar 28 2004, 12:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rellix @ Mar 28 2004, 12:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 12 Noon
    12 Midnight

    Problem Solved. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I say again.


    But yeh 12 Noon since 24 hour clock and since 1100 comes before 1200noon and 2300 comes before 2400.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    Midday is the start of the afternoon, not the end of the morning. The morning ends as soon as the clock changes from 11:59:59 to 12:00:00

    To avoid ambiguity though, the 12:00 times are called by thier names "Noon" or "Midday" and "Midnight"
  • xectxect Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9807Members
    I don't think anyone knows for sure. Even if there was an answer, I wouldn't trust someone to know it when they said "12 AM". If in doubt, ask. Or just stick to 24-hour clocks <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
  • ShzarShzar Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21098Members, Constellation
    As far as I understand it, it's 12 noon and 12 midnight, since they fall between morning and night labels.
  • BaconTheoryBaconTheory Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20615Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Transmission+Mar 27 2004, 06:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Transmission @ Mar 27 2004, 06:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 27 2004, 07:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 27 2004, 07:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 12 PM- Noon
    12 AM- Midnight <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For me it's the opposite.

    12 PM - midnight
    12 AM - noon <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LOL! I hear ya there Mantrid. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    1200 military time is noon, and 0000 is midnight, except on day-light savings time, in which case 0000 midnight would actually be 0100 midnight or 2300 pre midnight depending on if you spring forward or spring backwards. Also, likewise is true for noon. 1200 noon would actually be 1300 noon or 1100 pre noon depending on if you spring forward or spring backwards.

    Also midnight is midnight even if you lie on the international date line, even though the midnight you would be in would be the midnight of tomorrow, not today.

    Clarify things?
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    I feel dumber for having read the contents of this topic. A basic 2 answer question, that was answered on the second post, is somehow still atracting all our attention. Oh, and using a 24 hour clock doesn't make you special, anyone (I hope) can understand it; its like me saying im big stuff because I write with a mechanical pencil rather then a wooden one.

    </rant>
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