Diablo2 Vs Kotor
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OK, gamespy (yes, that vile place) is running a massive gaming competition (a.k.a - who has the most fanboys).
And someone pointed me to this <a href='http://www.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0124.shtml' target='_blank'>atrocity</a>. Diablo2 been voted on par with KOTOR. I seriously don't know how this could happen. Not bashing Diablo2, it was a good game, but no where near on par with the likes of KOTOR.
Help, please!
And someone pointed me to this <a href='http://www.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0124.shtml' target='_blank'>atrocity</a>. Diablo2 been voted on par with KOTOR. I seriously don't know how this could happen. Not bashing Diablo2, it was a good game, but no where near on par with the likes of KOTOR.
Help, please!
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What really pisses me off is that they put Mechwarrior 2 and TIE Fighter in the same, 1st rung bracket... Thats gonna get messy.
Diablo 2 appeals to a lower common denominator. It's the same reason "50 First Dates" is the #1 movie in America right now.
NOTE: When ever I heard mention of this movei It always sounded like 50 first state... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
as for any video game poll anywhere on the net... what ever, its just silly.
D2 has been around longer and has more fanboys, thats it.
I sorta browsed through their 'best video game ever' thing and decided to never look at it again, partialy b/c of chose match ups, and partialy b/c I can basicaly tell you who is gona win from each bracket b/c people are dumb and predictable <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
HL should win.. for being HL. CS would be nothing without HL..
Then again, on that note, Quake should win, for HL would be nothing without Quake..
Then again.. Doom should win, for without Doom being the success it was, ID would have never been able to go ahead with making Quake...
Oh well. As long as HL doesn't get knocked out in the first round (It better not) I'm happy. If it beats CS, all the better for it.
By the way FF3 has the best fanboys, as well as being the best game of all time.
Simply put, I dont like Kotor. Its a below average RPG. Yes, you heard me. Below average. They tried to make everything DnDish... if you roll a 19-20 you get a critical. What the hell? Is it so hard to say "10% chance to critical"? Sheesh. Also, it feels like you never really make any progress in that game. The most uber equipment does like 2 damage more than your standard, run of the mill equipment. And once you max out a feat and a force power, your pretty much set for the rest of the game. You can do that by what, level 10 or so?
Diablo > Kotor
Of course, <a href='http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/index.php?t=archives&date=last' target='_blank'>I am joining the revolution!</a>
I played kotor over a week then there wasent anymore fun.
I kinda liked D2. At least it had breadth. Alas, it got taken over by the salivating crowds on Battlenet. What a stench-filled cess pool that place is.
Deus Ex vs SS2 - yowch. I just couldn't choose.
I agree though, it really is a competition on who's got the most fanboys. May as well put Windows vs Linux, Intel vs AMD, NVidia vs ATI up there too. That really gets people putting the blinkers on and charging into meaningless and uninformed mudslinging contests. I love to sit back and watch people froth and beat themselves into an early myocardial infarction.
*votes kotor*
There was once a time long ago where I enjoyed diablo. The 'omg my char is getting better at dodging' thing and stuff. I played it single player, I LANned it, I even gave it a shot on the net. It felt fun. Then one day I played PSO, something that's forever shattered my enjoyment of simple number games like diablo for the rest of my life.
PSO itself is about numbers, but the prime thing it outlined above all is the lack of player involvement. As I judged the combos for the right situations, learned the timing for new weapons (the slicer is the hardest thing in the game to pull a combo off with consistantly, the timing is just totally different to anything else in the game) and learned new dodging tactics I was hit by how little I'd actually done in Diablo and it's kin. A standard fight in diablo involved clicking. There wasn't really any genuine elements of skill or timing involved. It was fun because I'd never known any better.
Having been shown that there could be greater gameplay by Phantasy Star Online, a game that while not perfect was evolutionary, I couldn't and still can't go back.
DII was released shortly after my PSO addiction and I swiftly found myself both bored and frustrated. Unlike the game that had robbed me of so many hours I couldn't dodge things myself (clicking and watching your char run away isn't the same as dodging around an attack so narrowly the slightest mistake would get you hit), the boss fights? pfff... shallow. In PSO I'd experienced boss fights where you had to learn how to avoid or handle each attack with your wit, timing and skill. Diablo II bosses? ~click, click, potion, click, potion, click, click, etc~
I'm sure there's a lot of people who still enjoy ye olde click-fests, but all I can say is that I know they're mere shadows having been outside the cave -.-
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Nintendo won't release the Broadband Adaptor in the UK... so I've got an online game I can't play online, wonderful huh? =P
I bought the GC PSO under the promise that ninty was releasing the adaptor on 'x' date and when the day came they didn't. Jerks -.-
They should've made the challenge mode 'one person dies you all start the level over' rule part of the normal game =3
It really adds to the team spirit and makes my healing frenzies all the more appreciated XD
I always go FOnewearl but I treat them like HUnewearls so much people keep offering me hunter weapons @.@
my dislike for starwars aside, I should really try out KotOR sometime... partly so I can contribute to the thread instead of drowing it in PSO nostalgia =s
Also spent ?70-odd on a ASCII hybrid keyboard / controller. Testament to the lengths a PSO fan will go to, I suppose.
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Please tell me you are joking?
The comparison of Diablo 2 and Knights of the Old Republic is insulting to say the least. I own both games, and enjoy playing both, but Diablo 2 isn't even an RPG, it's a cheap, mindless hack n slash game, nothing more. Knights of the Old Republic, on the other hand, has a detailed story, a great combat system, good player customisation (barring their appearance, grr) and fantastic character development. Diablo 2 had... well.... you had to click your mouse a lot... that's about it.
The principal of Diablo 2, as with Diablo, is fight, level up, change floor, fight, level up, change floor. Occasionally they will through you one single, solitary line of dialog, which Blizzard expect you to take as the "story", then you continue to hammer your mouse buttons fighting more and more. It's brainless. It's like how Serious Sam is to System Shock 2.
Comparing Diablo 2 and Knights of the Old Republic is like comparing McDonald's to a fine restaurant. Sure, you get your stomach filled at both, but one of the meals is vastly more satisfying than the other.
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This reminds me of the spike TV video game awards which were basicly fanservice. They voted SWG the best MMPORG of 2003. Of course, SWG never earned any other best awards.
Why?
Because I haven't played KotOR yet.
Thats probably the reason D2 is going to win.
Diablo II has sold far more copies than KotOR and people aren't going to vote for a game they haven't played.
Sure if you havn't played both you could just not vote, but no ones going to do that.
The combat is fairly indepth, and for any of the good force powers you need to be level 15 (...or level 18 for the cool ones - which is high considering you can only get to level 20). There's also no random encounters (except sort of on Tatooine...which is because it's a giant desert). You can play the game at least 4 times and get fairly different stories (especially if you don't do everything each time). Depending on the order you visit the planets, your game can be amazingly different (especially since you'll usually be playing with a different character type too.
Diablo 2 reminds me of Everquest without the quests, 1st person perspective, giant social aspects and exploration secrets (and the MMORPGness - but D2 goes online anyway). Diablo 2 is sortof like playing Gauntlet with more depth (and without people sitting next to you, hitting you with their weapons with stun on...forcing you to do your special attack in which you swing them around and set them down -facing the wrong direction- so you can stun them instead, until your other friend comes in and starts stunning both of you really quick 'cause he's a jester and it's bam, bam, bam....err...yea).
I recommed looking at the Liberty City and Azeroth tournament trees, they look like interesting game comparisons.SC2000 vs Civ3, MGS vs GTA:VC, SC vs WC3 and FO2 vs D2.
Go Fallout 2 ! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> (hey, maybe they'd consider making 3 again if it wins....heh)
But I voted for KoTOR anyways. Why? Me=fanboi >_<
Isnt it pretty easy to say that about every RPG? You get in a fight, you hack and slash an enemy to death. Discounting it as a non-RPG is just stupid. You buy new equipment. You level up and get stronger. Its just as much a RPG as Kotor.
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As far as story, your spot-on. Kotor definently had an above-average story for a game.
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Good combat system? Its just as mindless, if not more so, than Diablos. You get a feat/force power. You click the button to queue that feat or force power about 3 or 4 times. You click the next enemy and do it some more. Except the battles last about 20 times longer than do the battles in Diablo. Wow, that was fun.
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And what makes Diablo's so bad? There are more character builds than Kotor can ever dream of. Not to mention the huuuuuge, and I mean huuuuuge variety of equipment you can have. Kotor has like, what, 3 different heavy weapons types? 3 lightsaber types? And about 7 different blaster pistols? Lot of customization there. </sarcasm>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and fantastic character development. Diablo 2 had... well.... you had to click your mouse a lot... that's about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean character development story wise? If so, I agree 100%. If you mean gameplay wise, your way off. As I said, you really dont "level up" much in that game. The level 10 guy is just about as strong as the level 20 guy.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The principal of Diablo 2, as with Diablo, is fight, level up, change floor, fight, level up, change floor. Occasionally they will through you one single, solitary line of dialog, which Blizzard expect you to take as the "story", then you continue to hammer your mouse buttons fighting more and more. It's brainless. It's like how Serious Sam is to System Shock 2.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont think many people play Diablo for the story, and im one of them. Though it actually does have a decent story on its own, Kotors beats it. Im not denying that.
And Serious Sam is more fun than System Shock 2.
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Id much rather eat at McDonalds than some fine restaurant. Namely because you have to wait too long for your food, and its much much MUCH more expensive. As far as taste... meh. Some things will be better, some things will be worse. Either way, I <3 McGriddles.
PSO itself is about numbers, but the prime thing it outlined above all is the lack of player involvement. As I judged the combos for the right situations, learned the timing for new weapons (the slicer is the hardest thing in the game to pull a combo off with consistantly, the timing is just totally different to anything else in the game) and learned new dodging tactics I was hit by how little I'd actually done in Diablo and it's kin. A standard fight in diablo involved clicking. There wasn't really any genuine elements of skill or timing involved. It was fun because I'd never known any better.
Having been shown that there could be greater gameplay by Phantasy Star Online, a game that while not perfect was evolutionary, I couldn't and still can't go back.
DII was released shortly after my PSO addiction and I swiftly found myself both bored and frustrated. Unlike the game that had robbed me of so many hours I couldn't dodge things myself (clicking and watching your char run away isn't the same as dodging around an attack so narrowly the slightest mistake would get you hit), the boss fights? pfff... shallow. In PSO I'd experienced boss fights where you had to learn how to avoid or handle each attack with your wit, timing and skill. Diablo II bosses? ~click, click, potion, click, potion, click, click, etc~
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I lived through 1000+ hours of pso now and I'm finally out of it...I can't say I agree with you at all, though...PSO is one of the least involved games I've ever played. Like I always used to say "pso sucks but I love it." why? 2 reasons- 1.there's some cool people to meet online. 2. finding rare items gives you some false sense of purpose...Ahh...good times. The weird thing is that no matter how much I can miss the fun I had playing pso, If I went downstairs and played it again right now I'd stop after at most 30 minutes.