<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, they are oppinionsno one is right or wrong about the subject either way <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An opinion cannot be right or wrong as its your own personal preference. So you like blood and we dont, fine when left like that. But, if you try and persuade us by giving us facts then we can say you are wrong, why? Because facts are not opinions, they can be incorrect and we explained to you why you were wrong. Now if you choose to you can try and come up with more or find more support for your original 'facts' but I hope you realise it wont do any good as this has been discussed in-depth and repeatedly already.
Flameth me not, for I am stating my opinion, but I personally would like to see a bit of a smattering of blood when marines get bitten or spiked without armour or with low health. Not for realism, not for hit confirmation, but for the feeling of getting your teeth into a good chunk of flesh. I liked the sense of satisfaction when you saw your prey practically explode into gibs between your claws in AvP2.
That is all.
--Scythe--
[EDIT] I'm sure there is a nice meaty bite confirmation sound but I think blood would be good too. [/EDIT]
You guys should see his ears, puts dumbo to shame. Who needs a Jetpack when you have powerful ears like Gwahir... powerful... ears... Enginears <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Silver Fox+Oct. 03 2002,01:27--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Silver Fox @ Oct. 03 2002,01:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, if you want to get sarcastic even more, who says we "need" huds, weapons, teams, gameplay, servers, or hell, even NS itself? We could just all imagine it in our heads! Then, it could be what you always wanted it to be and be as damn bloody as you please.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You are 100% right! We dont <b>need </b> this game at all, but we will hopefully <i> enjoy </i> it. Your getting need mixed up with enjoyment here and for some people it is enjoyable to play this game with blood, some might like it without. And no, I have never "spewed" my opinion about it before, sorry for wasting your time! And yes, you didnt direct it at me soley, but it was a broad statment, twoards a broad amount of people.
[edit] oh and there was no sarcasim in my post, we dont need this mod at all, but it would be great to have it. I guess you have been sarcastic yourself to long to tell the differance.
Watch! Next SilverFox is going to begin to tell me how my favorite color is a horrible choice and I would be better off going with another. [/edit]
I am ammazed that for people to fine games enjoyable they need blood. Then, to keep people from saying there is no need or asking what kind of mental problem they have for wanting so much gore, they say they only want it for realism. Last time I checked, we hadn't found any new planets with hostile, and rather ugly, inhabitants that only wish to bite the faces off of the human race. Really people, it is just a game, and although I don't believe that blood should be removed from a game just to keep it away from a youngster's face, I do believe that the DEV's have the right to do what they want with the game. And if they don't want blood gushing and gibs flying everywhere, then we should simply respect thier ideas and play a game that I believe will be fun without rivers of blood leaking from it. <u>IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT OR ANYTHING.</u>
P.S. Please don't mistake this post for me flaming anyone. I didn't intend to offend anyone, I only wanted to voice my opinion...
I am ammazed that for people to fine games enjoyable they need blood. Then, to keep people from saying there is no need or asking what kind of mental problem they have for wanting so much gore, they say they only want it for realism. Last time I checked, we hadn't found any new planets with hostile, and rather ugly, inhabitants that only wish to bite the faces off of the human race. Really people, it is just a game, and although I don't believe that blood should be removed from a game just to keep it away from a youngster's face, I do believe that the DEV's have the right to do what they want with the game. And if they don't want blood gushing and gibs flying everywhere, then we should simply respect thier ideas and play a game that I believe will be fun without rivers of blood leaking from it. <u>IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT OR ANYTHING.</u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Im perfectly fine with the game not having blood, but im saddend that somone thinks they can change my oppinion because mine is "wrong".
<!--QuoteBegin--Scythe+Oct. 03 2002,04:44--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Scythe @ Oct. 03 2002,04:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I liked the sense of satisfaction when you saw your prey practically explode into gibs between your claws in AvP2.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, I was considering buying AVP 2 finally...But you just turned me COMPLETELY away with it from that one comments...GG, Fox, you screwed AVP up. Dismemberment, okay, acceptable. GIBBING FROM CLAWS? NEGATIVE. No Need for THAT much blood in AVP. AVP 1, Marines didn't leave pools of blood, why suddenly change it. Bakas.
Lets look at the blood/gibs situation again. Halflife has gibs and blood. NS is a HL mod. HL is like PG-13 or something. Everyone who will play NS have bought HL and thus are older than 13(maybe still few kiddies out there whos parents bought it).
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Actually, HL is rated M for Mature, and technically a kid under 17 needs to have a parent with him in order to purchase it. Unfortunately, HL came out 4 years ago, before the rating system was extensively used and *definitely* before it was enforced (it's still frequently not enforced).
No one is attacking anyone's opinions (or they shouldn't be). However, reasons that have been given for *needing* blood in NS are incorrect assumptions be the people who have offered them; those are what SF and I have been attempting to correct.
Now, if you simply like blood in a game, ok - there's nothing I can say that will convince you. But if you say NS *needs* blood... I will tell you that you are wrong, because I've played it, there isn't blood, and I don't suddenly find myself unable to hit marines because blood doesn't spray everywhere whenever I connect.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zawath+Oct. 03 2002,09:23--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Zawath @ Oct. 03 2002,09:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Lets look at the blood/gibs situation again. Halflife has gibs and blood. NS is a HL mod. HL is like PG-13 or something. Everyone who will play NS have bought HL and thus are older than 13(maybe still few kiddies out there whos parents bought it).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm pretty sure age isn't the big issure here.
And those marine armors shouldn`t make the bleeding go away. If you have ever played Space Hulk, then you should know that even if you are wearing huge armors you are still going to bleed like a pig when aliens start clawing/biting you
I wonder why people read my post and only got the word "realistic" out of it. Hmm, if anyone ever bothered to read it again, you would notice that i said "if someone uses the realism excuse".
But anyways, all im saying is that having blood turned off by default and being able to turn it on if we wanted to would be a very welcome feature, not to m ention it would end all discussions about it in the future.
Adding a variable like cl_blood or something, that is turned off by default wouldnt hurt anyone, and if anyone wants gore in their game, all they have to do is turn it on.
Besides, if the mod ever goes retail, they can always take off the gore for that version if they really want a lower rating.
Just my opinion. And SF, just to point it out, the 1st time i read your post i thought you were flaming me, you may not mean it, but sometimes people dont express what they feel very well in writting.
To those of you who say that age doesn't matter here, not so. My younger brother loves RTS games, and is far better than I at them. On the other hand, I enjoy FPS games, something he doesn't have the twitch skills for. This may be the game that we can play together, and both enjoy. But if it were excessively gory or bloody, I wouldn't want him playing. Most people are able to discern fantasy from reality, and I like to think that my brother is fairly mature, but there's still an age limit that I would draw, probably somewhere between 15 and 17.
But think of what we HAVE been given in this thread. Sound and sprite confirmation for the aliens that their attack hit the marine. I can't think of any other game that does this, and it's something I've always wanted, especially for certain alien melee games (Gloom, AvP). Just another revolutionary idea. I suppose I shouldn't be so surprised.
And as to the AvP2 exploding bodies comment, I downloaded the demo, and I got none of that. Does the retail version differ from the demo?
-Ryan!
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." -- Nietzsche
Personally, I've always been of the opinion that taking blood out of otherwise violent games is kind of silly. Everyone knows what blood looks like. It's no biggie.
Honestly, how bizarre is this thinking? It's ok for kids to see tiny aliens lurking through shadowed ventilation shafts, jump onto a man's back, and rip him into pieces. It's ok for them to see the marine's crumpled, lifeless body on the ground.
But a little red liquid? Hoo boy. Call the censors! That's some bad stuff right there.
Anywho, I think it's a little late to put the FPS gore genie back in the bottle. Anyone who owns HL has already seen their share of gibs. Taking it out of a mod is just pulling it away from people who've already seen their share. It's like covering a kid's eyes halfway through a striptease - he's already seen her naughty bits, so what exactly are you protecting him from?
<!--QuoteBegin--H'BNayr+Oct. 03 2002,22:44--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (H'BNayr @ Oct. 03 2002,22:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->But think of what we HAVE been given in this thread. Sound and sprite confirmation for the aliens that their attack hit the marine. I can't think of any other game that does this, and it's something I've always wanted, especially for certain alien melee games (Gloom, AvP). Just another revolutionary idea. I suppose I shouldn't be so surprised.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Every game does this. Let's take CS. When you score a hit on a person, you hear a small thud and see either a spark (armor) or a bit of blood (non-armor). When you hit a wall, you hear a very different sound and see a different animation.
Guys, you are arguing over the last cookie, when your mom cam in and already ate it. Blood is not needed in a game of NS. The fighting is fierce enough, and you don't need blood to enhance it. Anyways, when you bite armour, it usually doesn't bleed <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Someone Who Cares+Oct. 02 2002,21:19--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Someone Who Cares @ Oct. 02 2002,21:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Flea+Oct. 02 2002,00<!--emo&:0--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'><!--endemo-->9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Flea @ Oct. 02 2002,00<!--emo&:0--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'><!--endemo-->9)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Zawath+Oct. 02 2002,10:38--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Zawath @ Oct. 02 2002,10:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Blood is needed. Otherwise those little kiddies think that nothing happens when you shoot somebody with a shotgun.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> hahahhaha, that is true, but Doom had blood and all the kids that shot down their friends said "Doom made me do it" or "I didnt know it would hurt"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, its funny when you read anti-video game violence articles. I just read one in which a "successful scientific study" was made on 60 8-year-old boys. 30 played Double Dragon for 20 minutes, the other 30 played Excite Bike. Afterwards, the children were paired up to play together. Apparently more "violent behavior" was displayed in the DD kids. Absolute proof that violent video games should be banned forever <!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo--> I'm not joking at all. They actually do these kinds of tests, and it actually convinces people too. Wow, if I could get my hands on these people I'd show them my own kinda violence. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::asrifle::'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Point and Case, for them at least. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Diogenes' Dog+Oct. 05 2002,18:27--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Diogenes' Dog @ Oct. 05 2002,18:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Every game does this [hit confirmation]. Let's take CS. When you score a hit on a person, you hear a small thud and see either a spark (armor) or a bit of blood (non-armor). When you hit a wall, you hear a very different sound and see a different animation.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's not quite the same thing as NS, if I'm reading it correctly. In CS, you get no sound if you are too far away, and the sounds all seem to bleed together at times, even if you are close enough. Besides which, you get no sprite confirmation in CS on your HUD, unless you happen to kill the person. I was under the impression, from this thread, the your HUD would display a sprite, not just a "sparks shooting from the model" animation. Besides which, CS could hardly be classified as having melee-style weapons worth a shred. If you've ever played Gloom, jumping on the marines, you know what I mean...you want SOME sort of confirmation that you're hitting them. A sprite on your HUD would be perfect.
Then again, I may just be reading this incorrectly...
-Ryan!
"The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." -- Albert Einstein
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No, they are oppinionsno one is right or wrong about the subject either way
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An opinion cannot be right or wrong as its your own personal preference. So you like blood and we dont, fine when left like that. But, if you try and persuade us by giving us facts then we can say you are wrong, why? Because facts are not opinions, they can be incorrect and we explained to you why you were wrong. Now if you choose to you can try and come up with more or find more support for your original 'facts' but I hope you realise it wont do any good as this has been discussed in-depth and repeatedly already.
That is all.
--Scythe--
[EDIT] I'm sure there is a nice meaty bite confirmation sound but I think blood would be good too. [/EDIT]
/me kicks Gwahir across the room
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You guys should see his ears, puts dumbo to shame. Who needs a Jetpack when you have powerful ears like Gwahir... powerful... ears... Enginears <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
<span style='color:grey'>PTS are not mean. They are just human.</span>
<!--EDIT|[Shuvit.Viper]|Oct. 03 2002,11:50-->
You are 100% right! We dont <b>need </b> this game at all, but we will hopefully <i> enjoy </i> it. Your getting need mixed up with enjoyment here and for some people it is enjoyable to play this game with blood, some might like it without. And no, I have never "spewed" my opinion about it before, sorry for wasting your time! And yes, you didnt direct it at me soley, but it was a broad statment, twoards a broad amount of people.
[edit] oh and there was no sarcasim in my post, we dont need this mod at all, but it would be great to have it. I guess you have been sarcastic yourself to long to tell the differance.
Watch! Next SilverFox is going to begin to tell me how my favorite color is a horrible choice and I would be better off going with another.
[/edit]
I am ammazed that for people to fine games enjoyable they need blood. Then, to keep people from saying there is no need or asking what kind of mental problem they have for wanting so much gore, they say they only want it for realism. Last time I checked, we hadn't found any new planets with hostile, and rather ugly, inhabitants that only wish to bite the faces off of the human race. Really people, it is just a game, and although I don't believe that blood should be removed from a game just to keep it away from a youngster's face, I do believe that the DEV's have the right to do what they want with the game. And if they don't want blood gushing and gibs flying everywhere, then we should simply respect thier ideas and play a game that I believe will be fun without rivers of blood leaking from it. <u>IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT OR ANYTHING.</u>
P.S. Please don't mistake this post for me flaming anyone. I didn't intend to offend anyone, I only wanted to voice my opinion...
I am ammazed that for people to fine games enjoyable they need blood. Then, to keep people from saying there is no need or asking what kind of mental problem they have for wanting so much gore, they say they only want it for realism. Last time I checked, we hadn't found any new planets with hostile, and rather ugly, inhabitants that only wish to bite the faces off of the human race. Really people, it is just a game, and although I don't believe that blood should be removed from a game just to keep it away from a youngster's face, I do believe that the DEV's have the right to do what they want with the game. And if they don't want blood gushing and gibs flying everywhere, then we should simply respect thier ideas and play a game that I believe will be fun without rivers of blood leaking from it. <u>IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT OR ANYTHING.</u><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im perfectly fine with the game not having blood, but im saddend that somone thinks they can change my oppinion because mine is "wrong".
You know .. I honestly dont see ..
never mind, it'd just be waisted breath and its not worth it.
<!--EDIT|Silver Fox|Oct. 03 2002,04:05-->
Well, I was considering buying AVP 2 finally...But you just turned me COMPLETELY away with it from that one comments...GG, Fox, you screwed AVP up. Dismemberment, okay, acceptable. GIBBING FROM CLAWS? NEGATIVE. No Need for THAT much blood in AVP. AVP 1, Marines didn't leave pools of blood, why suddenly change it. Bakas.
No one is attacking anyone's opinions (or they shouldn't be). However, reasons that have been given for *needing* blood in NS are incorrect assumptions be the people who have offered them; those are what SF and I have been attempting to correct.
Now, if you simply like blood in a game, ok - there's nothing I can say that will convince you. But if you say NS *needs* blood... I will tell you that you are wrong, because I've played it, there isn't blood, and I don't suddenly find myself unable to hit marines because blood doesn't spray everywhere whenever I connect.
I'm pretty sure age isn't the big issure here.
But anyways, all im saying is that having blood turned off by default and being able to turn it on if we wanted to would be a very welcome feature, not to m ention it would end all discussions about it in the future.
Adding a variable like cl_blood or something, that is turned off by default wouldnt hurt anyone, and if anyone wants gore in their game, all they have to do is turn it on.
Besides, if the mod ever goes retail, they can always take off the gore for that version if they really want a lower rating.
Just my opinion. And SF, just to point it out, the 1st time i read your post i thought you were flaming me, you may not mean it, but sometimes people dont express what they feel very well in writting.
But think of what we HAVE been given in this thread. Sound and sprite confirmation for the aliens that their attack hit the marine. I can't think of any other game that does this, and it's something I've always wanted, especially for certain alien melee games (Gloom, AvP). Just another revolutionary idea. I suppose I shouldn't be so surprised.
And as to the AvP2 exploding bodies comment, I downloaded the demo, and I got none of that. Does the retail version differ from the demo?
-Ryan!
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
-- Nietzsche
Honestly, how bizarre is this thinking? It's ok for kids to see tiny aliens lurking through shadowed ventilation shafts, jump onto a man's back, and rip him into pieces. It's ok for them to see the marine's crumpled, lifeless body on the ground.
But a little red liquid? Hoo boy. Call the censors! That's some bad stuff right there.
Anywho, I think it's a little late to put the FPS gore genie back in the bottle. Anyone who owns HL has already seen their share of gibs. Taking it out of a mod is just pulling it away from people who've already seen their share. It's like covering a kid's eyes halfway through a striptease - he's already seen her naughty bits, so what exactly are you protecting him from?
-dio
Every game does this. Let's take CS. When you score a hit on a person, you hear a small thud and see either a spark (armor) or a bit of blood (non-armor). When you hit a wall, you hear a very different sound and see a different animation.
-dio
hahahhaha, that is true, but Doom had blood and all the kids that shot down their friends said "Doom made me do it" or "I didnt know it would hurt"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, its funny when you read anti-video game violence articles. I just read one in which a "successful scientific study" was made on 60 8-year-old boys. 30 played Double Dragon for 20 minutes, the other 30 played Excite Bike. Afterwards, the children were paired up to play together. Apparently more "violent behavior" was displayed in the DD kids. Absolute proof that violent video games should be banned forever <!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo--> I'm not joking at all. They actually do these kinds of tests, and it actually convinces people too. Wow, if I could get my hands on these people I'd show them my own kinda violence. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::asrifle::'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Point and Case, for them at least. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
That's not quite the same thing as NS, if I'm reading it correctly. In CS, you get no sound if you are too far away, and the sounds all seem to bleed together at times, even if you are close enough. Besides which, you get no sprite confirmation in CS on your HUD, unless you happen to kill the person. I was under the impression, from this thread, the your HUD would display a sprite, not just a "sparks shooting from the model" animation. Besides which, CS could hardly be classified as having melee-style weapons worth a shred. If you've ever played Gloom, jumping on the marines, you know what I mean...you want SOME sort of confirmation that you're hitting them. A sprite on your HUD would be perfect.
Then again, I may just be reading this incorrectly...
-Ryan!
"The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax."
-- Albert Einstein