Magic Bush, are you quite aware of how much Flayra has spent on making this game? He said himself that the money gotten from the Constellation program didn't come close to how much he spent, and I can see why. Professional sound, excellent graphics, help with coding... it really doesn't come cheap. I hope flayra has connections with someone, whether relatives or not, to help him out financially.
And yes, there are many, many changes in 3.0 It doesn't seem like it in the end result, but there's much more change technically than what meets the eye. For example, what do you think caused the resource hole? Hm... I don't think it suddenly came up magically... it happened after a change to the source code.
Don't make assumptions simply because of the way it looks. This is like "Don't judge a book by its cover"
Firstoff: Buddy, you are not in the position to complain about the dev team. They DO NOT owe you anything, and if they overestimated their coding speed, who cares.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, all the constellation members are paying for it. Yes they get to play beta, but they'd rather play the real deal. The money is suppose to encourage the dev team to get updates out soon, and from what I heard the last beta up-date was quite some time ago. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The constellation members don't pay for anything. They donate for the developing team so they can have a little reward for their efforts. And they are definitely not paying for you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not "trolling".<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, you are.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->They said "THIS holiday season" and as typical skeleton said, it should have been out already. So yes, they lied.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> For calling people who sacrifice a big part of their private time liars, you should be excluded from playing 3.0.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well it has been about a year since the last release, and theres not THAT many changes taking effect. It takes most developers no more than a year or 2 to release a NEW product. Yes I find it dumb that instead of concentrating on 3.0, he made a company. He should complete 3.0 then worry about a company <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, there are MANY changes. Maybe you should take a small look in the 3.xx changelog thread, buddy. And those developers you are talking about, those guys have a team that develops a game for cash, that means they work on it every day. And they got way more people working on it, too. So maybe, you should spend a single thought on what you are writing before posting it.
And you are not the person to tell him what he should do and what he should not do. He has to finance the development of this entire project, and how he does it is none of your business.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BluePhish seems to be German. Explains much. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not all Germans are drinking beer all day ling till they are totally filled up. For example, me. Also, that guy seems to be overenthusiastic while posting all the time. For my part, I guess he is just younger than most of us here.
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+Jan 2 2004, 03:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 2 2004, 03:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well it has been about a year since the last release, and theres not THAT many changes taking effect. It takes most developers no more than a year or 2 to release a NEW product. Yes I find it dumb that instead of concentrating on 3.0, he made a company. He should complete 3.0 then worry about a company <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 2.01 was released at the end of September 2003.
Thanks to all of the people who had nice things to say.
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Constellation donations have more than once enabled Flayra to pay his monthly bills. He's living unemployed currently while he works on NS. Making a company is a step towards getting the financial backing he needs to create NS retail... and despite what all you ungrateful little wretches (MagicBush) *think* he owes you, he's sacrificed more for this game than any of you could begin to understand.
MagicBush, your attitude is not welcome or appreciated here, least of all when hijacking the threads of forumgoers more respectful and patient than you are. If you've got nothing nice to say, kindly do us all a favor and shove your head through your monitor.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firstoff: Buddy, you are not in the position to complain about the dev team. They DO NOT owe you anything, and if they overestimated their coding speed, who cares.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yea I am, I am a angry customer <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. And I care about their "overestimate" on time.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The constellation members don't pay for anything. They donate for the developing team so they can have a little reward for their efforts. And they are definitely not paying for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure they don't, that $20 just disapears into a void?
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't trolling when you say something and don't back it up? I believe I am backing up most of my words.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For calling people who sacrifice a big part of their private time liars, you should be excluded from playing 3.0.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't call it a sacrifice, if you think about they are learning how to code better which in the future will equal more money. Especially since the dev team just made their own company, and are planning on NS2 when NS1 is clearly not finished.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And those developers you are talking about, those guys have a team that develops a game for cash, that means they work on it every day. And they got way more people working on it, too. So maybe, you should spend a single thought on what you are writing before posting it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? They are getting money from Constellation members. And theres quite a few. Yes most professional company's have over 50 people working on a game, I will admit I overexagerated there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And you are not the person to tell him what he should do and what he should not do. He has to finance the development of this entire project, and how he does it is none of your business.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure it is, since this is a public game. Of course, he doesn't have to listen to his fans.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->MagicBush, your attitude is not welcome or appreciated here, least of all when hijacking the threads of forumgoers more respectful and patient than you are. If you've got nothing nice to say, kindly do us all a favor and shove your head through your monitor. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Damn man, I am just commenting on what I think needs to be improved apon. There is a thing called constructive criticsm. Another example of abusive admins, although he didn't ban me(thanks).
I hate the ns-team, thanks to them I have no life since 1.0 <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Max+Jan 2 2004, 05:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Max @ Jan 2 2004, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+Jan 2 2004, 03:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 2 2004, 03:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well it has been about a year since the last release, and theres not THAT many changes taking effect. It takes most developers no more than a year or 2 to release a NEW product. Yes I find it dumb that instead of concentrating on 3.0, he made a company. He should complete 3.0 then worry about a company <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 2.01 was released at the end of September 2003.
Thanks to all of the people who had nice things to say.
Max <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Max, don't feel obliged to answer him if you don't want to. I think this bothers you enough that you want to respond. Their are many of us here who respect you and all the other developers and the hard work they put into this. If nothing else, we could at least prevent people from any form of slander, so Developers don't have to waste their time interceding.
<!--QuoteBegin--Grillkohle+Jan 2 2004, 05:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grillkohle @ Jan 2 2004, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not all Germans are drinking beer all day ling till they are totally filled up. For example, me. Also, that guy seems to be overenthusiastic while posting all the time. For my part, I guess he is just younger than most of us here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->A racial stereotype is the last thing I meant for people to interpret my earlier post as. I am in no way disrespecting Germans or calling them drunkards. All I said was that BluePhish personally reminded me of a drunkard, though I was just teasing him in reality. All he can be accused of is being a bit hyper and not always so thought out on some of his posts... sort of like a drunkard slurrs his inflection and syntax, thus my calling him a drunkard. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lets look at half-life 2. they have us a exact date, then had magazines like PC GAMER, give us a exact date printed in a magazine.
But they delayed it on febuary a week before the 30th. They did this stealthily, but some people asked there friends at EB games to check on the release date, and it said they got there shipment on febuary 30th.
so they planned to tell us a day before release, that its delayed. they gave us a exact honest to god date, and so did some magazines, only to delay it, secretly. and now with this source hacker, its down the april.
I laugh at my side of the moniter that your getting all worked up over nothing. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Flayra mumbled a vague estimated date on the front page so people would stop saying.
"OMG WHENS IT OUT!?!"
Oh, and trolling is when you make posts that ensue flames.
So you make annoying posts that you know people will cause you to be flamed.
<!--c1--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> Troller Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters. <!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+Jan 3 2004, 07:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 3 2004, 07:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For calling people who sacrifice a big part of their private time liars, you should be excluded from playing 3.0.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't call it a sacrifice, if you think about they are learning how to code better which in the future will equal more money. Especially since the dev team just made their own company, and are planning on NS2 when NS1 is clearly not finished.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And those developers you are talking about, those guys have a team that develops a game for cash, that means they work on it every day. And they got way more people working on it, too. So maybe, you should spend a single thought on what you are writing before posting it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? They are getting money from Constellation members. And theres quite a few. Yes most professional company's have over 50 people working on a game, I will admit I overexagerated there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And you are not the person to tell him what he should do and what he should not do. He has to finance the development of this entire project, and how he does it is none of your business.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure it is, since this is a public game. Of course, he doesn't have to listen to his fans.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->MagicBush, your attitude is not welcome or appreciated here, least of all when hijacking the threads of forumgoers more respectful and patient than you are. If you've got nothing nice to say, kindly do us all a favor and shove your head through your monitor. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Damn man, I am just commenting on what I think needs to be improved apon. There is a thing called constructive criticsm. Another example of abusive admins, although he didn't ban me(thanks). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lolz0r, that's a huge load of rubbish, go shove dirt so you can get practise and you may become head of dirt shoveling.
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The constellation members don't pay for anything. They donate for the developing team so they can have a little reward for their efforts. And they are definitely not paying for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure they don't, that $20 just disapears into a void?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong. I referr you to the actual meaning of the word "donation".
<!--QuoteBegin--Dictionary.com+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dictionary.com)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->do·na·tion n.
1. The act of giving to a fund or cause. 2. A gift or grant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> At which point is the word "donation" used as payment for goods or services? The constellation members gaining access to the beta has <b>always</b> been known to be nothing but a gift. It is not what you are "paying for" when you donate. When you donate the only thing you can be certain of getting is that little icon and the feeling that you've done something generous in your life. Anyone who is donating for the sole purpose as to gain access to the beta is, i'm afraid, not donating for the right reason. But then again, any reason to donate is a good one.
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For calling people who sacrifice a big part of their private time liars, you should be excluded from playing 3.0.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't call it a sacrifice, if you think about they are learning how to code better which in the future will equal more money. Especially since the dev team just made their own company, and are planning on NS2 when NS1 is clearly not finished.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You seem to presume that Charlie et al are new to coding. I suggest you take a peek at <a href='http://www.overmind.org/' target='_blank'>overmind.org</a> (Flayra's personal site) and look at what games he's worked on previous to NS. He is in no way new to coding.
And as to NS1 being considered "finished". That has nothing to do with you. NS is the product of the dev team. It will go in the directions they want and it will live up to how they want it to be, not your expectations of it. If you're not happy with the game, don't play it. Whatever you do, don't sit around and flaunt your ignorance, we don't want to hear it.
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And those developers you are talking about, those guys have a team that develops a game for cash, that means they work on it every day. And they got way more people working on it, too. So maybe, you should spend a single thought on what you are writing before posting it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? They are getting money from Constellation members. And theres quite a few. Yes most professional company's have over 50 people working on a game, I will admit I overexagerated there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> From what i've heard, the comparison between constellation donations and the money that the dev team have forked out <b>from their own pockets</b> is just purely laughable. When you talk about constellation members, do bear in mind that the number, i think, is still only somewhere in the hundreds. Then take into consideration the fact that the NS team have paid tens of thousands of dollars for the production of NS. To be honest, you've got to admire Flayra for making the sacrifices he has so ungrateful little sods, like yourself, have a game they can play <b>for free</b>.
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+Jan 2 2004, 08:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 2 2004, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yea! Afterall we're paying for those endless hours they spend programming, developing and creating the game....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, all the constellation members are paying for it. Yes they get to play beta, but they'd rather play the real deal. The money is suppose to encourage the dev team to get updates out soon, and from what I heard the last beta up-date was quite some time ago. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, the constellation members are paying for <b>nothing</b>. For the good number of us that donated before the beta was opened up, especially so.
We can pick up and play 3.0 whenever we like, and if it was released today, you'd be playing the exact same build we would have been playing for some time previous. Yes we want the "real deal" too, but when it comes around, we, the constellation members, veterans, playtesters, etc, will have it before you anyway. The thing with beta testing is nothing is magically fixed first time. Some is trial and error, such is balancing. The money is not supposed to encourage the dev team, it's to make sure they have their rent paid and food on the table.
Before you start to type, at least check that any of your facts are in any way correct.
Oh, and sorry this is a seperate post, the forums seemed to freak out if i tried to edit my previous one. =/.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->From what i've heard, the comparison between constellation donations and the money that the dev team have forked out from their own pockets is just purely laughable. When you talk about constellation members, do bear in mind that the number, i think, is still only somewhere in the hundreds. Then take into consideration the fact that the NS team have paid tens of thousands of dollars for the production of NS. To be honest, you've got to admire Flayra for making the sacrifices he has so ungrateful little sods, like yourself, have a game they can play for free. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't get me wrong, I am very thankful for the contribution. I am simply saying I am kinda mad at the fact 3.0 wasn't released after them saying it would be. I have no more room to talk though, way to shut me up <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
And I do not whatsoever believe they have spent over 10,000 on NS.. WTH man your crazy. I could make a mod for free, as could anyone else. Now if it was going retail I may believe, to hire people.. otherwise no, just no.
Yes... Flayra screwed up on the release of 3.0. I guess he just wasn't anticipating everything to pan out in this exact order. Anybody who has been around the beta for a while could have figured out Flayra was being overly optimistic. We've all been saying it over and over again.
3.0 will eventually get back on track. If you think about long term goals, we're still going to meet them. A few months is really not too long in the span of things.
I feel that development is about to pick up pace. Hopefully, Flayra will realize that finishing NS 3.0 should be his number one priority.
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+Jan 4 2004, 01:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 4 2004, 01:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And I do not whatsoever believe they have spent over 10,000 on NS.. WTH man your crazy. I could make a mod for free, as could anyone else. Now if it was going retail I may believe, to hire people.. otherwise no, just no. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You can not believe it all you want, but it doesn't make you right. Buying a sound library and getting pro voice recording/editing costs around $10,000. That is what happened. And it was more like $20,000 after you figure in equipment costs, server hosting, etc. Maybe next time you could ask a few questions and avoid looking like a mullet head.
For all those that posted nice comments, rock on. For the loud, boorish, ungrateful minority that just want to complain in wild ignorance, go punch your parents in the face for raising you so badly. Toodles.
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jan 4 2004, 01:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jan 4 2004, 01:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+Jan 4 2004, 01:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 4 2004, 01:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And I do not whatsoever believe they have spent over 10,000 on NS.. WTH man your crazy. I could make a mod for free, as could anyone else. Now if it was going retail I may believe, to hire people.. otherwise no, just no. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You can not believe it all you want, but it doesn't make you right. Buying a sound library and getting pro voice recording/editing costs around $10,000. That is what happened. And it was more like $20,000 after you figure in equipment costs, server hosting, etc. Maybe next time you could ask a few questions and avoid looking like a mullet head.
For all those that posted nice comments, rock on. For the loud, boorish, ungrateful minority that just want to complain in wild ignorance, go punch your parents in the face for raising you so badly. Toodles. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Damn, they got ripped off. Server hosting seriously isn't that much either(I know because I have looked up prices recently). Not to mention the fact that a lot of people will sponser projects like NS.
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I don't recall any official sponsering of counterstrike...
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+Jan 4 2004, 03:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 4 2004, 03:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Damn, they got ripped off. Server hosting seriously isn't that much either(I know because I have looked up prices recently). Not to mention the fact that a lot of people will sponser projects like NS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, they didn't get ripped off at all. This website is hosted from <a href='http://www.ev1servers.net' target='_blank'>www.ev1servers.net</a> and you'll be hard pressed to find such good prices and stability.
You also must think of the bandwidth usage... I'd bet they use <i>at least</i> 2000-4000 GBs a month.... My own clan uses about 100-200 GBs in transfer a month with just a barebone forums and a few game servers running.
I have no real clue, but I just threw some big numbers up there because these forums seem like they would use alot <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> (not to mention all the beta downloads as well).
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jan 4 2004, 12:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jan 4 2004, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For all those that posted nice comments, rock on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Gladly. I would personally like to thank the dev team for making such an awesome game as NS. If it wasn't for you, I would never have had the fun of tackling a 3 man HA train as an onos, seeing my WoL rack up kill after kill, and I never would have taken out that onos 1-on-1. Plus you introduced me to all the great people on the forums. So whatever you do, Keep It Up!
(And take as long as you want to release 3.0; Better ready than rushed)
my holiday season ends the 7:th january so i can wait untill that but then i'll start to get angry <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> but i think i will go kharaa (or how it is spelled) first becouse i wanna try new lerk flight and the new bite.
i wish a happy very good and lovley to the NS team/UWE too!!
To the misunderstanding minority... when sept 11 happened did you complain about the lack of services available to you then also? How dare they let unforeseeable circumstances stop them from finishing whatever they were doing... i mean you'd think they cant read minds or something!!
Honestly guys practise some patience and try to act less like 3 year olds with crappy nappies.
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+Jan 4 2004, 04:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 4 2004, 04:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Damn, they got ripped off. Server hosting seriously isn't that much either(I know because I have looked up prices recently). Not to mention the fact that a lot of people will sponser projects like NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You have no experience hosting a high-bandwidth, high-SQL utilization site obviously. Server hosting that costs less than a hundred a month is (in our experience with about 4 hosts) unreliable. And we did not want to be sponsored by anyone. You are out of your league, kindly stop bumping your gums.
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And yes, there are many, many changes in 3.0 It doesn't seem like it in the end result, but there's much more change technically than what meets the eye. For example, what do you think caused the resource hole? Hm... I don't think it suddenly came up magically... it happened after a change to the source code.
Don't make assumptions simply because of the way it looks. This is like "Don't judge a book by its cover"
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, all the constellation members are paying for it. Yes they get to play beta, but they'd rather play the real deal. The money is suppose to encourage the dev team to get updates out soon, and from what I heard the last beta up-date was quite some time ago. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The constellation members don't pay for anything.
They donate for the developing team so they can have a little reward for their efforts.
And they are definitely not paying for you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not "trolling".<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, you are.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->They said "THIS holiday season" and as typical skeleton said, it should have been out already. So yes, they lied.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For calling people who sacrifice a big part of their private time liars, you should be excluded from playing 3.0.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well it has been about a year since the last release, and theres not THAT many changes taking effect. It takes most developers no more than a year or 2 to release a NEW product. Yes I find it dumb that instead of concentrating on 3.0, he made a company. He should complete 3.0 then worry about a company <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, there are MANY changes. Maybe you should take a small look in the 3.xx changelog thread, buddy.
And those developers you are talking about, those guys have a team that develops a game for cash, that means they work on it every day. And they got way more people working on it, too. So maybe, you should spend a single thought on what you are writing before posting it.
And you are not the person to tell him what he should do and what he should not do. He has to finance the development of this entire project, and how he does it is none of your business.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BluePhish seems to be German. Explains much. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not all Germans are drinking beer all day ling till they are totally filled up. For example, me.
Also, that guy seems to be overenthusiastic while posting all the time.
For my part, I guess he is just younger than most of us here.
2.01 was released at the end of September 2003.
Thanks to all of the people who had nice things to say.
Max
MagicBush, your attitude is not welcome or appreciated here, least of all when hijacking the threads of forumgoers more respectful and patient than you are. If you've got nothing nice to say, kindly do us all a favor and shove your head through your monitor.
-worships-
Yea I am, I am a angry customer <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. And I care about their "overestimate" on time.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The constellation members don't pay for anything.
They donate for the developing team so they can have a little reward for their efforts.
And they are definitely not paying for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure they don't, that $20 just disapears into a void?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes, you are.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't trolling when you say something and don't back it up? I believe I am backing up most of my words.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For calling people who sacrifice a big part of their private time liars, you should be excluded from playing 3.0.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't call it a sacrifice, if you think about they are learning how to code better which in the future will equal more money. Especially since the dev team just made their own company, and are planning on NS2 when NS1 is clearly not finished.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And those developers you are talking about, those guys have a team that develops a game for cash, that means they work on it every day. And they got way more people working on it, too. So maybe, you should spend a single thought on what you are writing before posting it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? They are getting money from Constellation members. And theres quite a few. Yes most professional company's have over 50 people working on a game, I will admit I overexagerated there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And you are not the person to tell him what he should do and what he should not do. He has to finance the development of this entire project, and how he does it is none of your business.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure it is, since this is a public game. Of course, he doesn't have to listen to his fans.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->MagicBush, your attitude is not welcome or appreciated here, least of all when hijacking the threads of forumgoers more respectful and patient than you are. If you've got nothing nice to say, kindly do us all a favor and shove your head through your monitor. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Damn man, I am just commenting on what I think needs to be improved apon. There is a thing called constructive criticsm. Another example of abusive admins, although he didn't ban me(thanks).
I hate the ns-team, thanks to them I have no life since 1.0 <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
2.01 was released at the end of September 2003.
Thanks to all of the people who had nice things to say.
Max <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Max, don't feel obliged to answer him if you don't want to. I think this bothers you enough that you want to respond. Their are many of us here who respect you and all the other developers and the hard work they put into this. If nothing else, we could at least prevent people from any form of slander, so Developers don't have to waste their time interceding.
<!--QuoteBegin--Grillkohle+Jan 2 2004, 05:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grillkohle @ Jan 2 2004, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not all Germans are drinking beer all day ling till they are totally filled up. For example, me.
Also, that guy seems to be overenthusiastic while posting all the time.
For my part, I guess he is just younger than most of us here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->A racial stereotype is the last thing I meant for people to interpret my earlier post as. I am in no way disrespecting Germans or calling them drunkards. All I said was that BluePhish personally reminded me of a drunkard, though I was just teasing him in reality. All he can be accused of is being a bit hyper and not always so thought out on some of his posts... sort of like a drunkard slurrs his inflection and syntax, thus my calling him a drunkard. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lets look at half-life 2. they have us a exact date, then had magazines like PC GAMER, give us a exact date printed in a magazine.
But they delayed it on febuary a week before the 30th. They did this stealthily, but some people asked there friends at EB games to check on the release date, and it said they got there shipment on febuary 30th.
so they planned to tell us a day before release, that its delayed. they gave us a exact honest to god date, and so did some magazines, only to delay it, secretly.
and now with this source hacker, its down the april.
I laugh at my side of the moniter that your getting all worked up over nothing. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Flayra mumbled a vague estimated date on the front page so people would stop saying.
"OMG WHENS IT OUT!?!"
Oh, and trolling is when you make posts that ensue flames.
So you make annoying posts that you know people will cause you to be flamed.
Heres who you are.
<a href='http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html' target='_blank'>http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html</a>
<img src='http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/assets/Troller.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
<!--c1--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> Troller
Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters. <!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For calling people who sacrifice a big part of their private time liars, you should be excluded from playing 3.0.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't call it a sacrifice, if you think about they are learning how to code better which in the future will equal more money. Especially since the dev team just made their own company, and are planning on NS2 when NS1 is clearly not finished.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And those developers you are talking about, those guys have a team that develops a game for cash, that means they work on it every day. And they got way more people working on it, too. So maybe, you should spend a single thought on what you are writing before posting it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? They are getting money from Constellation members. And theres quite a few. Yes most professional company's have over 50 people working on a game, I will admit I overexagerated there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And you are not the person to tell him what he should do and what he should not do. He has to finance the development of this entire project, and how he does it is none of your business.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure it is, since this is a public game. Of course, he doesn't have to listen to his fans.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->MagicBush, your attitude is not welcome or appreciated here, least of all when hijacking the threads of forumgoers more respectful and patient than you are. If you've got nothing nice to say, kindly do us all a favor and shove your head through your monitor. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Damn man, I am just commenting on what I think needs to be improved apon. There is a thing called constructive criticsm. Another example of abusive admins, although he didn't ban me(thanks). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
lolz0r, that's a huge load of rubbish, go shove dirt so you can get practise and you may become head of dirt shoveling.
Also Coil wasnt being abusive.
They donate for the developing team so they can have a little reward for their efforts.
And they are definitely not paying for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure they don't, that $20 just disapears into a void?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong. I referr you to the actual meaning of the word "donation".
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n.
1. The act of giving to a fund or cause.
2. A gift or grant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
At which point is the word "donation" used as payment for goods or services? The constellation members gaining access to the beta has <b>always</b> been known to be nothing but a gift. It is not what you are "paying for" when you donate. When you donate the only thing you can be certain of getting is that little icon and the feeling that you've done something generous in your life. Anyone who is donating for the sole purpose as to gain access to the beta is, i'm afraid, not donating for the right reason. But then again, any reason to donate is a good one.
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For calling people who sacrifice a big part of their private time liars, you should be excluded from playing 3.0.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't call it a sacrifice, if you think about they are learning how to code better which in the future will equal more money. Especially since the dev team just made their own company, and are planning on NS2 when NS1 is clearly not finished.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You seem to presume that Charlie et al are new to coding. I suggest you take a peek at <a href='http://www.overmind.org/' target='_blank'>overmind.org</a> (Flayra's personal site) and look at what games he's worked on previous to NS. He is in no way new to coding.
And as to NS1 being considered "finished". That has nothing to do with you. NS is the product of the dev team. It will go in the directions they want and it will live up to how they want it to be, not your expectations of it. If you're not happy with the game, don't play it. Whatever you do, don't sit around and flaunt your ignorance, we don't want to hear it.
<!--QuoteBegin--MaGicBush+ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaGicBush @ Jan 4 2004, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And those developers you are talking about, those guys have a team that develops a game for cash, that means they work on it every day. And they got way more people working on it, too. So maybe, you should spend a single thought on what you are writing before posting it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? They are getting money from Constellation members. And theres quite a few. Yes most professional company's have over 50 people working on a game, I will admit I overexagerated there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From what i've heard, the comparison between constellation donations and the money that the dev team have forked out <b>from their own pockets</b> is just purely laughable. When you talk about constellation members, do bear in mind that the number, i think, is still only somewhere in the hundreds. Then take into consideration the fact that the NS team have paid tens of thousands of dollars for the production of NS. To be honest, you've got to admire Flayra for making the sacrifices he has so ungrateful little sods, like yourself, have a game they can play <b>for free</b>.
Actually, all the constellation members are paying for it. Yes they get to play beta, but they'd rather play the real deal. The money is suppose to encourage the dev team to get updates out soon, and from what I heard the last beta up-date was quite some time ago. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, the constellation members are paying for <b>nothing</b>. For the good number of us that donated before the beta was opened up, especially so.
We can pick up and play 3.0 whenever we like, and if it was released today, you'd be playing the exact same build we would have been playing for some time previous. Yes we want the "real deal" too, but when it comes around, we, the constellation members, veterans, playtesters, etc, will have it before you anyway. The thing with beta testing is nothing is magically fixed first time. Some is trial and error, such is balancing. The money is not supposed to encourage the dev team, it's to make sure they have their rent paid and food on the table.
Before you start to type, at least check that any of your facts are in any way correct.
Oh, and sorry this is a seperate post, the forums seemed to freak out if i tried to edit my previous one. =/.
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Don't get me wrong, I am very thankful for the contribution. I am simply saying I am kinda mad at the fact 3.0 wasn't released after them saying it would be. I have no more room to talk though, way to shut me up <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
And I do not whatsoever believe they have spent over 10,000 on NS.. WTH man your crazy. I could make a mod for free, as could anyone else. Now if it was going retail I may believe, to hire people.. otherwise no, just no.
Yes... Flayra screwed up on the release of 3.0. I guess he just wasn't anticipating everything to pan out in this exact order. Anybody who has been around the beta for a while could have figured out Flayra was being overly optimistic. We've all been saying it over and over again.
3.0 will eventually get back on track. If you think about long term goals, we're still going to meet them. A few months is really not too long in the span of things.
I feel that development is about to pick up pace. Hopefully, Flayra will realize that finishing NS 3.0 should be his number one priority.
Back on topic, Happy holidays to all!
Hey BluePhish, we gotta scrim sometime.
You can not believe it all you want, but it doesn't make you right. Buying a sound library and getting pro voice recording/editing costs around $10,000. That is what happened. And it was more like $20,000 after you figure in equipment costs, server hosting, etc. Maybe next time you could ask a few questions and avoid looking like a mullet head.
For all those that posted nice comments, rock on. For the loud, boorish, ungrateful minority that just want to complain in wild ignorance, go punch your parents in the face for raising you so badly. Toodles.
You can not believe it all you want, but it doesn't make you right. Buying a sound library and getting pro voice recording/editing costs around $10,000. That is what happened. And it was more like $20,000 after you figure in equipment costs, server hosting, etc. Maybe next time you could ask a few questions and avoid looking like a mullet head.
For all those that posted nice comments, rock on. For the loud, boorish, ungrateful minority that just want to complain in wild ignorance, go punch your parents in the face for raising you so badly. Toodles. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Damn, they got ripped off. Server hosting seriously isn't that much either(I know because I have looked up prices recently). Not to mention the fact that a lot of people will sponser projects like NS.
totally different thing.
Actually, they didn't get ripped off at all. This website is hosted from <a href='http://www.ev1servers.net' target='_blank'>www.ev1servers.net</a> and you'll be hard pressed to find such good prices and stability.
You also must think of the bandwidth usage... I'd bet they use <i>at least</i> 2000-4000 GBs a month.... My own clan uses about 100-200 GBs in transfer a month with just a barebone forums and a few game servers running.
I have no real clue, but I just threw some big numbers up there because these forums seem like they would use alot <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> (not to mention all the beta downloads as well).
Gladly. I would personally like to thank the dev team for making such an awesome game as NS. If it wasn't for you, I would never have had the fun of tackling a 3 man HA train as an onos, seeing my WoL rack up kill after kill, and I never would have taken out that onos 1-on-1. Plus you introduced me to all the great people on the forums. So whatever you do, Keep It Up!
(And take as long as you want to release 3.0; Better ready than rushed)
To the misunderstanding minority... when sept 11 happened did you complain about the lack of services available to you then also? How dare they let unforeseeable circumstances stop them from finishing whatever they were doing... i mean you'd think they cant read minds or something!!
Honestly guys practise some patience and try to act less like 3 year olds with crappy nappies.
- RD <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
You have no experience hosting a high-bandwidth, high-SQL utilization site obviously. Server hosting that costs less than a hundred a month is (in our experience with about 4 hosts) unreliable. And we did not want to be sponsored by anyone. You are out of your league, kindly stop bumping your gums.