Deus Ex

ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet! Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
<div class="IPBDescription">and my nublin question.</div> there are two games it seems that i should have played but did not.

1) System Shock 2 (and probably one, i don't like skipping story)

2) Deus Ex.

i plan to catch up and do both, but i've got one question. isn't the last part of the phrase 'machina'? as in.. deus ex machina? god through machine, or whatever?
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  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    edited November 2003
    I htink they cut it off because it was too long.
  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Nov 22 2003, 09:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Nov 22 2003, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i plan to catch up and do both, but i've got one question. isn't the last part of the phrase 'machina'? as in.. deus ex machina? god through machine, or whatever? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, Deus Ex is taken from the phrase "Deus Ex Machina", "God from the Machine".
  • Dirty_Harry_PotterDirty_Harry_Potter Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9500Members
    edited November 2003
    i think the whole system they use in Dues ex is more or less Based on that of SS2.

    and about the abandonware-sites - ´they're not exactly good at(or perhaps dont care to) make sure a game actually -is- abandonware
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    As the TTLG forums state, System Shock 2 is not abandonware...

    ...but good luck finding it on a store shelf, let alone System Shock 1.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    "The God from the Machine"

    Which will come to mean much more by the time you finish DX.

    Incidentally, SS1 was one of the best fun games ever. Zig, do yourself a favour, read NO guides, and play it on normal or hard, NOT easy. If you do it in easy, you miss out on some of the best tension gaming available, and it's just not the same if you try to go through it again after doing it on easy. Trust me on this.
  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin--UltimaGecko+Nov 22 2003, 10:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Nov 22 2003, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...but good luck finding it on a store shelf, let alone System Shock 1. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I found it in a store in Singapore Airport. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/2/icon6.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Members
    Sheesh. Try beating DX on realistic difficulty. Now THAT's the measure of a hax0r...
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited November 2003
    Additional useless information tidbit: The 'Deus ex Machina' was a crane used in the antique theatre to let actors 'descend from heaven'. It's main purpose was to let gods come down and rescue heroes in threatening situations the writer couldn't find a better way out of. Nowadays, the term referrs to any kind of unprovoced (and usually badly introduced) intervention of a higher authority into the narrative of a story and is considered one of the worst tools a writer has at his disposal.
    Needless to say that there's dozens of games relying heavily on it, which is why the title can be seen as a jab at those developers.
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Members
    Deus Ex is a great game, I got it the special edition for 30 bucks about a year ago. (came with soundtrack, too!)

    It gave me a good 12+ hours of gameplay (probably more with saves and such) and was a very nice enthralling story for a FPS.

    Too bad DX2 is looking to be DX1 sans everything that made it fun...
  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Members
    Tell me. Bugs aside, what was wrong with the <i>little portion</i> that you played of DX2? WHAT!?

    Please don't judge a game by a demo. It's a quick way to miss a good game...
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited November 2003
    Dubb : If you don't judge it by a demo, then what's the point in the demo?

    It's there to showcase why you <b>NEED</b> to buy their game. If you don't feel motivated to do so after the demo, then you certainly won't feel so after the game.

    (Incidental, I can't play the <span style='color:orange'>*blip*</span>demo, due to it working on GF2, but not a GF4MX440, as they aren't supporting any of the MX range, so yes, I am biased towards annoyance)

    <span style='color:orange'>Don't dodge the swear filter. And if it makes you feel any better, it <i>doesn't</i> work on my GeForce 2, so I'm about as angry at my video card as you are.</span>
  • DocterJDocterJ Join Date: 2003-04-09 Member: 15357Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Insane+Nov 22 2003, 05:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Insane @ Nov 22 2003, 05:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--UltimaGecko+Nov 22 2003, 10:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Nov 22 2003, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...but good luck finding it on a store shelf, let alone System Shock 1. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I found it in a store in Singapore Airport. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/2/icon6.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Wow, finally someone who has at least been to Singapore.
  • ObliteraterObliterater Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9652Members
    Didnt work on my Geforce 2 either... >_<... must... get... upgrade...
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dubbilex+Nov 22 2003, 11:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Nov 22 2003, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tell me. Bugs aside, what was wrong with the <i>little portion</i> that you played of DX2? WHAT!?

    Please don't judge a game by a demo. It's a quick way to miss a good game... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Aside from the bugs?

    Just all the stuff I loved in DX...

    Managing skill points, which guns i use because i'm running low on ammo....
    Skills i especially miss.. What is this "start out and hack stuff" method? where are the security code enter screens? why can't i specialize in lockpicking and forget about hacking to change my experience? Everything just bleeds together too much.

    The interface just seems a little cluttered...

    If there are no tranqs in DX2 then by god i'll drive to their HQ and start bashing skulls.

    It could still be good, but it will no doubt take some getting used to.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    There is a skill system. Push 'B' and see which were predefined for you in the demo. I'll agree happily that it was a bad idea not to offer choices in this department in the demo, but this criticism does not apply to the full version.

    I agree that the simplification appears to be somewhat too throughout, but I'll forgive this if the game offers enough emergent complexity (tactics, dialogue, etc.) to make the complexity of micro-management obsolete.

    There are tranqs in the demo. Go into the elevator shaft, to the lowest level, and crouch below that crashed metal plate. You'll be able to drop to the shafts bottom, where you can find a bowcaster (tranquilizer ammo) as well as a backway into the greasel trainers appartment.

    The interface will take some time getting used to, but so did DX1s. I just played through the demo for a second time, it already made a lot more sense to me.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Deus Ex Machina (translated from latin) is not God from THE machine but rather God from machine.

    See kids? this is what learning about Caecilius and his beggar family does! it makes you twitch at small little errors in translation!


    btw, I played SS2 once. I couldn't get past the zombie things because they scared me sh!tless.
  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin--Smoke Nova+Nov 23 2003, 07:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Smoke Nova @ Nov 23 2003, 07:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Deus Ex Machina (translated from latin) is not God from THE machine but rather God from machine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    True, but different languages have different word orders and means of saying things. When you translate, you sometimes have to take liberties with the words given to make it feasible in your own language.
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    And, just to clarify, Deus Ex is <b>not</b> abandonware. It is still being sold. If you find it online it still counts as warez.
  • spinviperspinviper Join Date: 2003-05-08 Member: 16151Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--DocterJ+Nov 22 2003, 11:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DocterJ @ Nov 22 2003, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Insane+Nov 22 2003, 05:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Insane @ Nov 22 2003, 05:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--UltimaGecko+Nov 22 2003, 10:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Nov 22 2003, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...but good luck finding it on a store shelf, let alone System Shock 1. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I found it in a store in Singapore Airport. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/2/icon6.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image'> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Wow, finally someone who has at least been to Singapore. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I was born and I am From singapore...
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    about SS2 and abandonware: the game is no longer in publication, which is why you can't find it. No one is trying to make a cent from that game anymore. If that's not the definition of abandonware, then what is?
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    We are not going to go there. A search in this forum will offer you more possible answers and retorts to that statement than you could possibly want, and I'd rather not go through the moves yet another time.
  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    Whoever didn't play System Shock 2 should be quartered.... Alright, kidding, but seriously, it's such a great game, everyone should experience it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Vulgar_MenaceVulgar_Menace Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22118Members
    I plan to soon, i just cant find it ANYWHERE.
  • zoobyzooby Join Date: 2003-08-26 Member: 20236Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Smoke Nova+Nov 23 2003, 02:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Smoke Nova @ Nov 23 2003, 02:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Deus Ex Machina (translated from latin) is not God from THE machine but rather God from machine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There's no THE in latin. GG tell everyone who translate latin to take out all the the's and a's and an's in the english, latin, french, spanish, german, etc translations.

    GG again.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Ok, why would Deus Ex Machina mean God from THE Machine? The would mean it's referring to a specific machine. and while I could under god from the machine for the use in Greek/Roman play's, as a standard it is just translated God from Machine.

    Look, go read the books about Caecilius and his family and then come back and debate the finer points of Latin.

    and zooby, there are endings you add on to the Latin words to add The, A, and An. Deus Ex Machina contains none of them.

    (by the way, English, German and most other languages are not Romance languages. English is derived from German and Latin, but don't let ignorance affect your opinion)
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    The problem with shortening the name to "deus ex", is that every time you say it, people think you are saying "day of sex", which doesn't go over so well.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--moultano+Nov 23 2003, 05:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Nov 23 2003, 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "deus ex", is that every time you say it, people think you are saying "day of sex", <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No it doesn't...
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Nov 23 2003, 07:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Nov 23 2003, 07:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--moultano+Nov 23 2003, 05:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Nov 23 2003, 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "deus ex", is that every time you say it, people think you are saying "day of sex", <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No it doesn't... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i think he says it dae-us ex rather than deuce ex. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Well...the issue with pronouncing it Day-us ex is because...well, no issue really, it's right.

    Latin is a very different language as to pronounciation's.

    Praetorian does not get said "Prey-tor-ian" but rather "Pry-tor-ian"

    Deus is "Day-us".
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    edited November 2003
    my topic is spamderailed!! WHAT THE DEUCE? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    lol, smokenova.

    ae is 'EH', traditionally.

    heeeeere's an example.

    the latin spelling of h?phaistos is <b>hephaestus</b>.

    this, in turn, is pronounced <b>hi-'fes-t&s</b>, or <b>"heh-phess-tuhs"</b>

    that's the nazi lesson for the day. let this topic die <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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