All-new All-different Alien Models

CaCa

<div class="IPBDescription">my humble view of how aliens should look</div> I've been juggling with this thought for a looooong time... and I know you're prolly gonna just say stuff like: "replacement models"... but the thing is, the current NS aliens just don't look ferocious to me... they feel more like "pets"... I mean, I don't know about y'all, but a pig, a dog, a cow, a bird and a werewolf do not really frighten me, or cause any kind of menacing feeling whatsoever...
Fer example, just playing AvP2 deathmatch makes me crap in my pants... NS is a pleasure for <i>other</i> reasons, sure, but I always like the nerve-wrecking induced by dark, gritty, sci-fi games' ferocious, nightmaresque critters... which the current ones are definately <i><b>not</b></i>...


so anyway, the concept is sorta like this:

Given the fact that the Kharaa are primarily a bacteria lifeform in it's most basic stages of existance, I went for an overgrown, sorta shapeless bacterial concept... they wouldn't have "eyes", explaining various kharaa 1st person viewpoints like the skulk's or lerk's which is from <i>inside</i> it's mouth, or the gorge's "building tentacles" which ye can't really see on the gorge model, anyway...
also, I'm a fan of NS, but I'm not really a fan of "animal-like" aliens... I likes mine aliens <i>weird</i>! the less I can describe 'em the better... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
the idea when I was making these was to emphasize the 1st person kharaa attacks on the world models so as not to have to change all the v_models as well... so I sketched critters which'd clearly show the mouth you're biting with, the horn's you're stabbing with, the "fart-tubes" you're umbraing from, the tentacles you're building with, etc...

I know it'll never happen due to the work it'd take, but one can dream, right? man... 'twould make NS feel soooo much more gritty "B-class movie" sci-fi... (to me, at least) <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
so, if someone could/would actually model 'em at least for replacements, <b>I'll be their slave for life</b>! I'll even hovar without flaping for you, if you want! now isn't that tempting? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->

<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><b>[edit]: edited to clear stuff up... sketches posted a few posts below... removed recurring word: "blob" <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> [edit]</b></span>

slavik

where are the sketches??? POST 'EM!

I sort of figured out how milkshape works, so if you give me side/front/back sketches, I might be able to make a model ... (n00b in modeling here)

CaCa

cool!

that'd be *something* at least...

ok... I'll see if I can go digitize 'em somewheres...

gotta do the different sides/angle/povs though...

Ballisto

just post a general sketch and let everyone who can draw go nuts with it. i know i will when im bored in class <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

CaCa

ok, I've drawn all 5 species...

now all I hafta do is get my hands on some scanner... now where the hell can I access one? hmmmm... don't worry, I'll see to that soon...

in the meantime, it would <b>really <i>really</i> </b>help if someone could tell me where I can *easily* upload the pics once I've digitized 'em...

CaCa

(just need a small <b>*bOmp*</b> so's y'all see the above post) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

X_Stickman

Just make em small enough to attatch and make 5 posts with each your sketch of each one attatched, and a little explaining the animations of them etc...

CaCa

attatch? as in "<i>upload from my HD</i>" kind of attatch? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

X_Stickman

yeah, underneath where you write the reply to the post, there's a thing called "File Attachments". Click browse, make sure your file is a jpg and it's small enough, and upload it.


It comes up like this (this is me annoyin' some gangsta's on the hard, bad-*ss "Habbo Hotel")

CaCa

right. cool.
it's raining skulks n' gorges n' I can't go to a scanner place ****... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->

what would the pic's ideal dimensions be? 640x480?

Redford

I see, so flay should change the entire alien half of the mod from a creative standpoint simply because you think "blobs are scary".





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Think about that, will you?

CaCa

<!--QuoteBegin--Redford+Nov 17 2003, 02:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Nov 17 2003, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I see, so flay should change the entire alien half of the mod from a creative standpoint simply because you think "blobs are scary". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
exactly.

Stakhanov

Bah , there are already pokemon models , why not add a blob family while we're at it...

<b>mod required to tweak that topic and phase it to NS customization - something like "[mreq] Blob - shaped aliens"</b>

DragonMech

Are Redford and I the only people who think that this is a bad idea? IMO the aliens are awesome as is - they don't need to be blobs. At most, they could use some recoloring.

Lumberjack_Wannabe

Blobs are just funny. The models currently used are perfect... and freaky. I think a big rhino charging at you is a tad bid more frightening than a big blob with horns...

I somewhat agree with Dragon_Mech... some recoloring would be cool, but ultimately unnecessary...

CaCa

sure, sure, whatever you say...

just wait 'till I get those damn sketches digitized...

<i>then</i> we'll debate... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->

Olmy

<!--QuoteBegin--Redford+Nov 17 2003, 12:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Nov 17 2003, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I see, so flay should change the entire alien half of the mod from a creative standpoint simply because you think "blobs are scary".





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Think about that, will you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you ever say anything helpful?

<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Seriously.</span>

uranium_235

After playing AvP2, I've come to the conclusion that NS aliens are as scary as chocolate chip ice cream.

Redford

I did say somthing helpful. I stated that changing a very large and vital part of the mod just because a single person wants this change is not realistic, nor will it ever happen. Thusly, I am asking, why does this topic exist? Why does this man feel that, because he thinks that blobs are scary, all NS aliens should be blobs and flay should automatically change his mod that he's worked on for two years to perform this correction? It just isn't realistic, and neither is this suggestion. That is what I am saying.

Thank you for forcing me to borderline flame him in self-defense.

boooger

Logistcal Reasoning goes a long way, doesn't it Redford? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Surge

Wait a second... did he just say blobs with... <i>tentacles</i>?... eww... How very non-fitting. Seeing as how it's not really possible for blobs to even move, unless they have some type of pseudopod, which will move them at the incredible rate of about 2 miles per hour or less.

X_Stickman

<!--QuoteBegin--Surge+Nov 17 2003, 10:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Surge @ Nov 17 2003, 10:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wait a second... did he just say blobs with... <i>tentacles</i>?... eww... How very non-fitting. Seeing as how it's not really possible for blobs to even move, unless they have some type of pseudopod, which will move them at the incredible rate of about 2 miles per hour or less. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Must......resist......urge..... HOVAR WITHOUT FLAPPING!


God ****....


I have to admit i'm curious to see his sketches, but i guess Customisation is best place for that.

CaCa

IMHO, I feel my kharaa designs fit into the whole NS universe stuff moreso even than the current ones, which're more like household or farm animals, rather than nasty, scary critters...

btw, they're not <i>blobs</i> per se... they're more like "<i>grown bacterium masses</i>" (or something)...

also, this topic is just to show these drawings I made, as an example of more "nightmaresque, nasty, ferocious, cool" looking aliens...

'sides, if they actually get modelled by <i>anyone</i>, t'will be a miracle in itself...

you'll see...
tomorrow most likely...
and then we'll <i>all</i> see... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

CaCa

AAAAND THEY'RE <i><b>OFF</b></i>!!!

I'll describe <i>possible</i> animations for each of the lifeforms, as well as a redundant description of the sketch:

I've made it to look like a big mouth, with two spider like sword-limbs comin' out of the sides of that same mouth and one at the rear... not so doggy-doggy-like...

<b>Anim:</b> pretty obvious, really... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

CaCa

Some sort of rubbery cone-shaped blob (kinda like a slug) with a big toothless, anus like mouth-hole on the "cone's flat end" and on both sides of this, two tentacles (the ones it uses to build)...

<b>Anim:</b> a sort of slug-like undulation... front "builder tentacles" could waver slightly...

CaCa

This one I see as a modified sorta-Metroid (that's right, no wings! it hovars without flaping!!!), with a claw-like mouth on one side rather than under (as Metroids have), and the two "fart tubes" flanking this mouth...

<b>Anim:</b> the fibrous wing-<i>like</i> skin wavers/undulates, much like those one-eyed, green aliens in some episodes of The Simpsons. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->

CaCa

A thin, long, gangly torso standing on one tentacle/lower limb, with two sword like arm-tentacles, and one protrusion (the acid rocket cannon) protruding from it's back to lie on top of this sorta "torso", where the head would be (but isn't)...

<b>Anim:</b> for this sucka, I imagined it'd move sorta like an upright snake dancing to a snake-charmer, acid rocket cannon swaying slightly from side to side n' all...

CaCa

Huge frickin' pile of bacterium, with a gapin' toothed maw surrounded by 3 horns, and one big, muscly leg at the rear. imagine a sort of kharaa resource tower kinda thing, with the mouth at the top, then "rotate it" horizontally... add maw+horns.

<b>Anim:</b> well, the Kharaa's big bully would brutally push itself forward with it's muscly back "leg", sliding with it's round, hardpacked fibrous underbelly. When stomping, it'd lift itself with it's back leg and let the weight of it's body drop (with this hard underbelly taking the impact), creating the shockwave...

killswitch

You know I was expecting some ****-poor stickmen of pseudo-star-trek aliens but these sketches, given the right 3D touch and coloring, could probably look better than the current models. Not to say the current models are bad, but these look a little more 'alien' than what we currently have ex. <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> =puppy dog
<!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> =bat

CaCa

would there be any way to move those pics to my first post, without having to host 'em somewhere?

or can I consider them "online", for linking to them & stuff?

CaCa

<!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> = puppy dog
<!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> = babe
<!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> = birdie
<!--emo&::fade::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif'><!--endemo--> = dog-man
<!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> = cow

<!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

anyways, yeah, the concept I went for was to base the lifeforms on what you see in first person when you play, so the creature makes more sense when you <i>see </i>it and when you <i>are </i>it...

also, I looked to making 'em simpleish, as in "the most blob-like possible"... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> this so that they'd be easy to model, if anyone had the fancy to do so...