my hell= no ns <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--J3k+Oct 27 2003, 04:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (J3k @ Oct 27 2003, 04:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> my hell= no ns <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Technically, I think there'd be computer games in hell because apparently they cause kids to go nuts and kill people...
Heaven..State of Mind Hell..State of Mind Earth..State of Mind
There is no -one- hell. It what you think it is. Jees, Hell could even be the good place to go. Who knows.
And in a lighter note. Southpark Hell <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
BTW: How come there's no 'offical' bible written by satan? Where's his side of the story? I'm sure his would say the exact opposite of God's story. I mean, you really think God would say 'Satan's a pretty good guy. I mean, sure, we didnt' agree on some things. And... well... after all, I guess I did go overboard, with that whole sealing him in a furnace thing...'
Satan does have a 'bible'. It is the main religious texts for the devil worshippers who hate God and think Jesus is the worst guy who everlived. but thats just thier point of view.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->God gave us Gonhorrea.
Satan gave us technology.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually a better question would be, why did god NOT give us anything...
Technology is science. Science disproves god. Therefore, technology is evil. Hmm....
(Har har and if you mention christian science I'm going to laugh...)
And by satan's bible... well I can't say I'm too familiar with it, but... there's only one form of the bible out there... I can only imagine how many different satanist texts there are...
<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Oct 26 2003, 06:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Oct 26 2003, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm sorry? If we're here to have a meaningful relationship with god...
1) Why are we on EARTH. Why didn't he just make some peons in heaven like in The Sims? Considering our meaningful relationship won't begin until we get to heaven, you still haven't answered the question of why we're on EARTH. Stop running your logic in circles!
2) God has HOW MANY SAINTS, his SON, his... how do I say this without getting flamed... 'wife' he impregnated, he's got the apostles... what the hell is god's problem? Did he get picked on as a kid? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Once again, another forumite, in his omniscence, and incredible knowledge of all things that have been and are to come, has looked upon the situation and declared God to be a nublet of the highest order.
You're not interested in the answer lad, and any answer I could give you would only be a guess anyway.
And you are WAY off with the "Science disproves God" - science by its very nature is unable to comment on the devine. Thats like saying that a nailgun disproves the hammer - wth?
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Hell is repetition. And science dispoves God? Look at it like this. The more we look for him and not find him but continue looking, his existence is less likely but more probable.
Sorry. That is the most hilarious thing i have read in a long time. Science disproves God... wow. How can science prove or disprove anything supernatural when it only deals with the natural? Its like a biologist claiming to know everything about progamming in C++, only more absurd
<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Oct 27 2003, 05:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Oct 27 2003, 05:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually a better question would be, why did god NOT give us anything...
Technology is science. Science disproves god. Therefore, technology is evil. Hmm....
(Har har and if you mention christian science I'm going to laugh...) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Everything is evil, apparently sex is evil according to the bible. This is why children are born as sinners and must be baptised to cleanse the sin... Sex is evil?? Please.... if sex is evil does that mean we shouldn't be able to procreate?? Why should we do an *evil* act just to continue our existance, the whole logic of it doesn't make sense.
As for technology, it is not evil, and it does not disprove religion. The methods one uses to investigate and explain the natural world though through science, is contradictary to religion. Science relies on evidence, religion on faith. Although science theories do disprove or contradict certain beliefs of religion. For example evolution (sorry). Technology does have negative, and positive effects on human existance, but it is not right or wrong, but a means of sustaining humanity.
Hell is most likely a state of mind. You simply cannot give a description of hell because some people would enjoy hell, though they are meant to be punished. 'Evil' things like loose women, gambling, computer games (lol) would be certainly no punishment. The whole concept of hell doesnt make sense, you cannot be judged because the judge's views are subjective, hell should only stem from your mind, and if your mind creates 'hell'.
<!--QuoteBegin---spidermonkey-+Oct 27 2003, 02:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-spidermonkey- @ Oct 27 2003, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everything is evil, apparently sex is evil according to the bible. This is why children are born as sinners and must be baptised to cleanse the sin... Sex is evil?? Please.... if sex is evil does that mean we shouldn't be able to procreate?? Why should we do an *evil* act just to continue our existance, the whole logic of it doesn't make sense. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well, its funny, but not quite as hilarious.
Sex is not Evil. Sex in the right place - between a husband and wife is the best thing in the world
<!--QuoteBegin---spidermonkey-+Oct 27 2003, 08:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-spidermonkey- @ Oct 27 2003, 08:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Oct 27 2003, 05:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Oct 27 2003, 05:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually a better question would be, why did god NOT give us anything...
Technology is science. Science disproves god. Therefore, technology is evil. Hmm....
(Har har and if you mention christian science I'm going to laugh...) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Everything is evil, apparently sex is evil according to the bible. This is why children are born as sinners and must be baptised to cleanse the sin... Sex is evil?? Please.... if sex is evil does that mean we shouldn't be able to procreate?? Why should we do an *evil* act just to continue our existance, the whole logic of it doesn't make sense.
As for technology, it is not evil, and it does not disprove religion. The methods one uses to investigate and explain the natural world though through science, is contradictary to religion. Science relies on evidence, religion on faith. Although science theories do disprove or contradict certain beliefs of religion. For example evolution (sorry). Technology does have negative, and positive effects on human existance, but it is not right or wrong, but a means of sustaining humanity.
Hell is most likely a state of mind. You simply cannot give a description of hell because some people would enjoy hell, though they are meant to be punished. 'Evil' things like loose women, gambling, computer games (lol) would be certainly no punishment. The whole concept of hell doesnt make sense, you cannot be judged because the judge's views are subjective, hell should only stem from your mind, and if your mind creates 'hell'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As boggle said, classic strawman. Ah - evolutionists believe that if you cut the tail of a rat, all the kids following will have no tail, which is rubbish, so therefore evolution is rubbish.
The above is a silly statement because I first A)Invent the beliefs of others, and then once I have set up my strawman I B)proceed to lambast him.
Early christians believed that sex is evil, even during marriage. Though religious views change, ironically with integration with scientific discoveries/theories. For example, the church only withdrew its condemnation of galileo's ideas that the world is round and revolves around the sun in 1992..
<!--QuoteBegin---spidermonkey-+Oct 27 2003, 04:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-spidermonkey- @ Oct 27 2003, 04:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Early christians believed that sex is evil, even during marriage. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i doubt that. evidence?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Though religious views change, ironically with integration with scientific discoveries/theories. For example, the church only withdrew its condemnation of galileo's ideas that the world is round and revolves around the sun in 1992..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
so the church got it wrong. your point? Who knows. we may find something else that proves gallileo wrong soon.
<!--QuoteBegin--Z.X. Bogglesteinsky+Oct 25 2003, 10:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Z.X. Bogglesteinsky @ Oct 25 2003, 10:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> as far as i remember, buddhists believe that if you do badly in life you just get demoted. if you are a man you would come back as a woman and so on. i dont think buddhists have a hell, they only have a nirvana
(*cough*shotgun*cough*) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They most definitely have a hell. Thing is, you aren't necessarily condemned to stay there to any eventual judgement day.
1) Many Christians believe that if you don't believe in THEIR god, you're going straight to hell.
Axiom 1: Absence of God is a way to hell. Thus the absence of god is evil.
2) Religion is based on nothing but faith: There is no proof god exists, and being based soley in the imagination, there is no possible way it can be proven.
3) Science and the Scientific Method require factual observations, evidence, really anything, to construct a theory or a law.
Axiom 2: To believe in God requires one to doubt the scientific method. There is no possible way to prove god exists, nothing can measure his presence, so therefore, scientifically, god CAN NOT EXIST.
Thus we conclude that: Science states that god does not exist, CAN NOT exist, even, and therefore, science is evil.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1) Many Christians believe that if you don't believe in THEIR god, you're going straight to hell.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So what if you do believe in God? is that a guaranteed ticket to heaven. No. Satan believes in God, and he is going to hell.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2) Religion is based on nothing but faith: There is no proof god exists, and being based soley in the imagination, there is no possible way it can be proven.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You said it yourself. If there is no possible way God's existence can be proven, there must also be no possible way his existsence can be disproven.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->3) Science and the Scientific Method require factual observations, evidence, really anything, to construct a theory or a law. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well, observe all the changes in people's lives when they become a christian, or when they find any religion for that matter
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Axiom 2: To believe in God requires one to doubt the scientific method. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
buh? I believe in God, and i dont doubt the scientific method.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no possible way to prove god exists, nothing can measure his presence, so therefore, scientifically, god CAN NOT EXIST.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Science states that God's existence cannot be proved or disproved. Many scientists believe in some form of God, maybe not the god of CT, but a supreme being none the less
Scient cannot prove God'd existance because SCIENCE DOESNT DEAL WITH THE SUPERNATURAL. Gos is supernatural, therefore science can say NOTHING about God's existance whatsoever, apart from the fact that it cannot be proved or disproved
<!--QuoteBegin--Z.X. Bogglesteinsky+Oct 27 2003, 03:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Z.X. Bogglesteinsky @ Oct 27 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> there must also be no possible way his existsence can be disproven. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The fact that there is no evidence means that for all intents and purposes he doesn't exist. Do I really have to waste my time providing examples of this flawed logic you pass as reasoning?
Example: So there's no evidence that I... say, killed my Math teacher. There's no evidence that I *DIDN'T*. Therefore I must be guilty.
Example 2: There's no evidence that I'm capable of making people's heads explode with a thought, can travel through time, and can survive falling into a black hole. Maybe I just chose not to do it. However, there's no evidence that I *CAN'T*. Therefore, it's true.
Boggle, here's a question for you:
<b>Why are there no other accounts of Jesus' miracles, God's intervention, etc.</b>
I haven't seen or heard of a single text written by ANYone that says 'The other day, Jesus came to town and now I can see!', or 'There's a plague of locusts! The seas are turning to blood!'. The ONLY place theses events occur are in the bible. Which was written by a small group of people. You know, primitive man could, and would, write on the walls pictures of what he killed. Did something happen back in biblic times that prevented anyone from making any 3rd person accounts of what happened? You know, Christians have been LOOKING for something that proves their faith is REAL. So far they've found nothing... interesting...
ooh.... but that's right... just because there's a lack of evidence, and not a single THING PROVES the existence of god, WILL EVER prove the existence, and even though the <b>LAWS OF PHYSICS</b> are being totally BROKEN here (Which is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE, which in and of itself proves the god CAN NOT exist), means that god MUST exist!
After too many bad experiences with them, we prohibit 'science vs. religion' debates. This extends to evolutionarism - creationism topics. The past threads dealing with such subjects left a lot of bad blood and showed that both sides are just hit too deeply in their believes to hold a truly productive discussion. From now on, we'd like to ask you to keep your topics on one side of the divide (for example a purely mundane discussion of homosexuality or a religious discussion of the same subject, but not both intermingled), and keep your arguments within such a thread either rational-scientifical or theological.
Source- NemesisZero, forum rules.
So anyway, hell is a giant ballroom at Chucky Cheese, oh god what's that smell?
<!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Oct 27 2003, 03:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Oct 27 2003, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> First Addendum:
After too many bad experiences with them, we prohibit 'science vs. religion' debates. This extends to evolutionarism - creationism topics. The past threads dealing with such subjects left a lot of bad blood and showed that both sides are just hit too deeply in their believes to hold a truly productive discussion. From now on, we'd like to ask you to keep your topics on one side of the divide (for example a purely mundane discussion of homosexuality or a religious discussion of the same subject, but not both intermingled), and keep your arguments within such a thread either rational-scientifical or theological.
Source- NemesisZero, forum rules. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is sort of a slim line. I'm saying that by christian standards, science is a product of the devil and a source of evil.
A guy dies and finds himself at the gates of Hell.
He looks around and, realizing where he was, begins to cry.
The devil walks up next to the guy who is crying and says, "Why are you crying?"
The guy looks up in horror to see Satan himself standing before him! "Oh this getup? Don't worry about it. It is just for show. I'm really not such a bad guy. Don't cry. Hell really isn't so bad. Hey, you like smoking?"
The guy stops crying and looks at Satan. "Yeah, why?"
"Great! On Mondays, we all get together and smoke to our hearts contents! Cigarettes, cigars, joints,.. whatever! Name it, we got it!"
The guy responds, "Well that isn't so bad."
Satan responds, "Yeah, and you know what? Do you like to drink?"
The man smiles and nods.
"Wonderful! On Tuesdays, we get beer kegs, Jack Daniels, Vodka, tequila, the works! We get drunk off our **** and have a good ol' time!"
The man smiles a little wider.
"How about gambling? Would you like to make a couple wagers?"
The man nods happily.
"Well on Wednesdays, we set up the casino! We also have horse racing if you prefer. Cheating is ENCOURAGED!"
The man, starting to feel better about his situation, asks, "So what about Thursdays?"
The key here is that there is no way to prove gods existance _currently_. As we learn more and more, who knows what we may discover.
You cannot assume we know everything there is to know now. The basis of faith is believing, and that cannot be measured, yet belief and faith definately exists.
<!--QuoteBegin--uranium - 235+Oct 27 2003, 12:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (uranium - 235 @ Oct 27 2003, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is sort of a slim line. I'm saying that by christian standards, science is a product of the devil and a source of evil. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I went to Christian schools for 13 years. I can say with complete authority that you do not know what you're talking about. At all. Not even a little bit. Shh.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well, observe all the changes in people's lives when they become a christian, or when they find any religion for that matter<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This, of course, includes UFO cults, suicide cults, and even *gasp* scientology *shudder*. There is nothing supernatural about it, its just human nature.
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Technically, I think there'd be computer games in hell because apparently they cause kids to go nuts and kill people...
Hell..State of Mind
Earth..State of Mind
There is no -one- hell. It what you think it is. Jees, Hell could even be the good place to go. Who knows.
And in a lighter note. Southpark Hell <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Satan gave us technology.
Which would you chose?
BTW: How come there's no 'offical' bible written by satan? Where's his side of the story? I'm sure his would say the exact opposite of God's story. I mean, you really think God would say 'Satan's a pretty good guy. I mean, sure, we didnt' agree on some things. And... well... after all, I guess I did go overboard, with that whole sealing him in a furnace thing...'
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->God gave us Gonhorrea.
Satan gave us technology.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
buh? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
when did satan give us anything?
Technology is science. Science disproves god. Therefore, technology is evil. Hmm....
(Har har and if you mention christian science I'm going to laugh...)
And by satan's bible... well I can't say I'm too familiar with it, but... there's only one form of the bible out there... I can only imagine how many different satanist texts there are...
1) Why are we on EARTH. Why didn't he just make some peons in heaven like in The Sims? Considering our meaningful relationship won't begin until we get to heaven, you still haven't answered the question of why we're on EARTH. Stop running your logic in circles!
2) God has HOW MANY SAINTS, his SON, his... how do I say this without getting flamed... 'wife' he impregnated, he's got the apostles... what the hell is god's problem? Did he get picked on as a kid? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Once again, another forumite, in his omniscence, and incredible knowledge of all things that have been and are to come, has looked upon the situation and declared God to be a nublet of the highest order.
You're not interested in the answer lad, and any answer I could give you would only be a guess anyway.
And you are WAY off with the "Science disproves God" - science by its very nature is unable to comment on the devine. Thats like saying that a nailgun disproves the hammer - wth?
ROFLMFAO! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->:D
Sorry. That is the most hilarious thing i have read in a long time. Science disproves God... wow. How can science prove or disprove anything supernatural when it only deals with the natural? Its like a biologist claiming to know everything about progamming in C++, only more absurd
Technology is science. Science disproves god. Therefore, technology is evil. Hmm....
(Har har and if you mention christian science I'm going to laugh...)
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Everything is evil, apparently sex is evil according to the bible. This is why children are born as sinners and must be baptised to cleanse the sin... Sex is evil?? Please.... if sex is evil does that mean we shouldn't be able to procreate?? Why should we do an *evil* act just to continue our existance, the whole logic of it doesn't make sense.
As for technology, it is not evil, and it does not disprove religion. The methods one uses to investigate and explain the natural world though through science, is contradictary to religion. Science relies on evidence, religion on faith. Although science theories do disprove or contradict certain beliefs of religion. For example evolution (sorry). Technology does have negative, and positive effects on human existance, but it is not right or wrong, but a means of sustaining humanity.
Hell is most likely a state of mind. You simply cannot give a description of hell because some people would enjoy hell, though they are meant to be punished. 'Evil' things like loose women, gambling, computer games (lol) would be certainly no punishment. The whole concept of hell doesnt make sense, you cannot be judged because the judge's views are subjective, hell should only stem from your mind, and if your mind creates 'hell'.
well, its funny, but not quite as hilarious.
Sex is not Evil. Sex in the right place - between a husband and wife is the best thing in the world
Technology is science. Science disproves god. Therefore, technology is evil. Hmm....
(Har har and if you mention christian science I'm going to laugh...)
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Everything is evil, apparently sex is evil according to the bible. This is why children are born as sinners and must be baptised to cleanse the sin... Sex is evil?? Please.... if sex is evil does that mean we shouldn't be able to procreate?? Why should we do an *evil* act just to continue our existance, the whole logic of it doesn't make sense.
As for technology, it is not evil, and it does not disprove religion. The methods one uses to investigate and explain the natural world though through science, is contradictary to religion. Science relies on evidence, religion on faith. Although science theories do disprove or contradict certain beliefs of religion. For example evolution (sorry). Technology does have negative, and positive effects on human existance, but it is not right or wrong, but a means of sustaining humanity.
Hell is most likely a state of mind. You simply cannot give a description of hell because some people would enjoy hell, though they are meant to be punished. 'Evil' things like loose women, gambling, computer games (lol) would be certainly no punishment. The whole concept of hell doesnt make sense, you cannot be judged because the judge's views are subjective, hell should only stem from your mind, and if your mind creates 'hell'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
As boggle said, classic strawman. Ah - evolutionists believe that if you cut the tail of a rat, all the kids following will have no tail, which is rubbish, so therefore evolution is rubbish.
The above is a silly statement because I first A)Invent the beliefs of others, and then once I have set up my strawman I B)proceed to lambast him.
i doubt that. evidence?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Though religious views change, ironically with integration with scientific discoveries/theories. For example, the church only withdrew its condemnation of galileo's ideas that the world is round and revolves around the sun in 1992..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
so the church got it wrong. your point? Who knows. we may find something else that proves gallileo wrong soon.
(*cough*shotgun*cough*) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They most definitely have a hell. Thing is, you aren't necessarily condemned to stay there to any eventual judgement day.
1) Many Christians believe that if you don't believe in THEIR god, you're going straight to hell.
Axiom 1: Absence of God is a way to hell. Thus the absence of god is evil.
2) Religion is based on nothing but faith: There is no proof god exists, and being based soley in the imagination, there is no possible way it can be proven.
3) Science and the Scientific Method require factual observations, evidence, really anything, to construct a theory or a law.
Axiom 2: To believe in God requires one to doubt the scientific method. There is no possible way to prove god exists, nothing can measure his presence, so therefore, scientifically, god CAN NOT EXIST.
Thus we conclude that: Science states that god does not exist, CAN NOT exist, even, and therefore, science is evil.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1) Many Christians believe that if you don't believe in THEIR god, you're going straight to hell.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So what if you do believe in God? is that a guaranteed ticket to heaven. No. Satan believes in God, and he is going to hell.
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You said it yourself. If there is no possible way God's existence can be proven, there must also be no possible way his existsence can be disproven.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->3) Science and the Scientific Method require factual observations, evidence, really anything, to construct a theory or a law. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well, observe all the changes in people's lives when they become a christian, or when they find any religion for that matter
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Axiom 2: To believe in God requires one to doubt the scientific method. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
buh? I believe in God, and i dont doubt the scientific method.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no possible way to prove god exists, nothing can measure his presence, so therefore, scientifically, god CAN NOT EXIST.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Science states that God's existence cannot be proved or disproved. Many scientists believe in some form of God, maybe not the god of CT, but a supreme being none the less
Scient cannot prove God'd existance because SCIENCE DOESNT DEAL WITH THE SUPERNATURAL. Gos is supernatural, therefore science can say NOTHING about God's existance whatsoever, apart from the fact that it cannot be proved or disproved
Hell is full of chocolate pudding but you have a coffee straw tied to your mouth.
The fact that there is no evidence means that for all intents and purposes he doesn't exist. Do I really have to waste my time providing examples of this flawed logic you pass as reasoning?
Example: So there's no evidence that I... say, killed my Math teacher. There's no evidence that I *DIDN'T*. Therefore I must be guilty.
Example 2: There's no evidence that I'm capable of making people's heads explode with a thought, can travel through time, and can survive falling into a black hole. Maybe I just chose not to do it. However, there's no evidence that I *CAN'T*. Therefore, it's true.
Boggle, here's a question for you:
<b>Why are there no other accounts of Jesus' miracles, God's intervention, etc.</b>
I haven't seen or heard of a single text written by ANYone that says 'The other day, Jesus came to town and now I can see!', or 'There's a plague of locusts! The seas are turning to blood!'. The ONLY place theses events occur are in the bible. Which was written by a small group of people. You know, primitive man could, and would, write on the walls pictures of what he killed. Did something happen back in biblic times that prevented anyone from making any 3rd person accounts of what happened? You know, Christians have been LOOKING for something that proves their faith is REAL. So far they've found nothing... interesting...
ooh.... but that's right... just because there's a lack of evidence, and not a single THING PROVES the existence of god, WILL EVER prove the existence, and even though the <b>LAWS OF PHYSICS</b> are being totally BROKEN here (Which is scientifically IMPOSSIBLE, which in and of itself proves the god CAN NOT exist), means that god MUST exist!
After too many bad experiences with them, we prohibit 'science vs. religion' debates. This extends to evolutionarism - creationism topics. The past threads dealing with such subjects left a lot of bad blood and showed that both sides are just hit too deeply in their believes to hold a truly productive discussion. From now on, we'd like to ask you to keep your topics on one side of the divide (for example a purely mundane discussion of homosexuality or a religious discussion of the same subject, but not both intermingled), and keep your arguments within such a thread either rational-scientifical or theological.
Source- NemesisZero, forum rules.
So anyway, hell is a giant ballroom at Chucky Cheese, oh god what's that smell?
After too many bad experiences with them, we prohibit 'science vs. religion' debates. This extends to evolutionarism - creationism topics. The past threads dealing with such subjects left a lot of bad blood and showed that both sides are just hit too deeply in their believes to hold a truly productive discussion. From now on, we'd like to ask you to keep your topics on one side of the divide (for example a purely mundane discussion of homosexuality or a religious discussion of the same subject, but not both intermingled), and keep your arguments within such a thread either rational-scientifical or theological.
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This is sort of a slim line. I'm saying that by christian standards, science is a product of the devil and a source of evil.
A guy dies and finds himself at the gates of Hell.
He looks around and, realizing where he was, begins to cry.
The devil walks up next to the guy who is crying and says, "Why are you crying?"
The guy looks up in horror to see Satan himself standing before him! "Oh this getup? Don't worry about it. It is just for show. I'm really not such a bad guy. Don't cry. Hell really isn't so bad. Hey, you like smoking?"
The guy stops crying and looks at Satan. "Yeah, why?"
"Great! On Mondays, we all get together and smoke to our hearts contents! Cigarettes, cigars, joints,.. whatever! Name it, we got it!"
The guy responds, "Well that isn't so bad."
Satan responds, "Yeah, and you know what? Do you like to drink?"
The man smiles and nods.
"Wonderful! On Tuesdays, we get beer kegs, Jack Daniels, Vodka, tequila, the works! We get drunk off our **** and have a good ol' time!"
The man smiles a little wider.
"How about gambling? Would you like to make a couple wagers?"
The man nods happily.
"Well on Wednesdays, we set up the casino! We also have horse racing if you prefer. Cheating is ENCOURAGED!"
The man, starting to feel better about his situation, asks, "So what about Thursdays?"
Satan replies, "Do you like g ays?"
The guy says "No. Why?"
"Oh... You're gonna hate Thursdays..."
You cannot assume we know everything there is to know now. The basis of faith is believing, and that cannot be measured, yet belief and faith definately exists.
I went to Christian schools for 13 years. I can say with complete authority that you do not know what you're talking about. At all. Not even a little bit. Shh.
This, of course, includes UFO cults, suicide cults, and even *gasp* scientology *shudder*. There is nothing supernatural about it, its just human nature.