<!--QuoteBegin--Norml E. High+Sep 27 2003, 11:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Norml E. High @ Sep 27 2003, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree, some situations are deemed necessary for F4. One of the most notable is an entire team of HA setting up sieges for the 1 hive skulks. Seriously comms out there, thats not necessary. I don't mind staying for you marines to kill us, but when you stop to make a siege for the last hive, its just stupid, no arguing. On the other hand I get really **** off at you whiny little turds that turn around and F4 after we just played another map where we took the punishment until the very end. It's not fun to have a team drag it out, but its even worse when you don't let the winning team finish it, when they aren't trying to drag it out. I understand sometimes you want to set sieges up JUST IN CASE, but obviously, skulks aren't going to dominate a team of HA, AND, sometimes people do jump the gun and say the other team is dragging it out, when if fact they ARE trying to get in and kill your base, (3 hive aliens, marine turtle). Usually though in that situation, both teams are having fun, aliens trying to kill you, and marines desperately trying to stay alive. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, I think everything said in the last page or so agrees with this. When people have said stuff about f4 stealing victories, this is meant when the winning team is going to go in and destroy the other team's base/last hive in the next two minutes. You should wait and let them do this. It is only a few minutes, and it will let the other team get the satisfaction of a nice victory. I think everyone (for the most part) seems to agree with this part. If the winning team stretches it out, however, then it makes sense to f4, because they have obviously won and have had their chance to destroy your base/hive but chose not to. I think everyone seems to agree with this also.
I happen to think F4-ing is showing poor sportsmanship on the losing teams side rather then 'bad winners'.
Every marine or alien victory is (usualy) hard earned and I don't think it's fair for the winning team that the losing team all F4. Winning is just a part of playing games, and so is losing. If you can't win and lose respectibly then I think you need to work some issues out.
If the marines fought hard to push the aliens into a position where they are inevitably going to lose, well then the aliens should just take their loss respectably and wait for the marines to come in and finish them off. They earned that victory after all.. Why would you want to take that away from them?
The same goes for any marines out there who F4, the aliens worked for their win and deserve to finish the marines off fairly.
There's a lot of talk about Aliens F4-ing more then marines. On public servers, I'll agree this seems to be the case, but that's typically because most people find it boring to be on the defending side of a loss then as compaired to being a losing marine. I guess this is because a determined group of marines can hold out with only 1 res node, an Advanced armory, and some IP's for quite a while even against multiple Onos's, fades, lerks, bile bomb gorges, xenociders, ect. Where as with the aliens, once their higher life forms are dead and they are down to their last hive, they will all be skulks that don't even have leap against(Probably) a full team of HA or JP marines with HMG's, GL's, and Shotguns. Needless to say you can't hold back an expensive marine squad nearly as easily as defeated marines can stymie a large group of advanced aliens, even with a 3rd hive. So most just say screw it and F4 to move to the next game..
Despite this, I still think it would be overall better if the aliens just stayed and waited for there death to come. I don't think it's any worse to be a pitiful group of skulks getting gunned down by 10 HA HMG's then it is to be 10 marines getted webbed, xenocided, acid rocketed, eaten, gored, spored, sliced, and diced like so much meat. So what if it takes longer to kill of a sturdy group of marines then a bunch of skulks? Just stand your ground and meet death with honor and don't F4. If your going to lose, lose with dignity, and not by tucking your F4 between your legs and running off.
The same goes for all those marines out there who cry about being eaten 4 times in a row right after being hit with 2 acid rockets while trying to weld that dang RT, or whine about alien imbalance and whatever else they can toss at the aliens in spite of their victory. The numbers may not be the same, but an F4ing marine is just as bad as an F4ing alien.
What I find funny is when the enemy team argue about : come kill us now ! And yet, they still fight like hell. If you so desesperatly want this to end, just play around your main base/hive until the army arrives. Anyway that's why I do when we are definatly losing.
I always fight to the end....even if it's skulks against 5+ HA with high tech or a marine against onos at the marine start. Even in complete enivitable defeat i will still fight because the games can be turned around in 1 minute.......... in so many games i have been fighting against HA's at our last hive with defeat only minutes away to have a game turn around because of a mistake, luck or a fluke.
Now granted i have also been destroyed comeplely more often than made a comeback but i still like the chance.
The only times i have F4ed were against a lame TEAM that camped the hive with SG and just killed spawning skulks, dropped mines - or onos, gorge and lerk camping the marine ip's.........This has happened a few times and i tell my team and the opposing team that if they do not finish the game i will F4 and wait in the readyroom. I don't mind losing but waiting to spawn so someone can kill me instantly is no fun.
Now as to the banning/ kicking f4'ers --- pointless
If that is the case and i am being spawn camped i will just leave the server and go and play somewhere else in another game.
they fight like hell because they are trying to be good sports and give you an interesting fight rather then just waiting for you to win which is just as bad as f4ing imho
<!--QuoteBegin--tanathos+Oct 23 2003, 03:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tanathos @ Oct 23 2003, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What I find funny is when the enemy team argue about : come kill us now ! And yet, they still fight like hell. If you so desesperatly want this to end, just play around your main base/hive until the army arrives. Anyway that's why I do when we are definatly losing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah! This is exactly what amazes me. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Why not simply add a function (like "vote commander") to the admin section of the popup menu that lets you basically say "vote forfeit?" You've got to get a fairly large portion of your team to acknowledge it (something like 75%), but it'd be better than suddenly having the game end when your team number disparity hits 4-5 (whatever it is).
What's it do? With the marines, it recycles all their structures (CC included). With the aliens, it kills all their hives (and prevents gorges from building new ones). Game doesn't end instantly... you still have to hunt and kill off the last survivors, or let the hive death nail 'em. But it's a hell of a lot more fun for both teams than simply having the game suddenly end and everyone go "lame..."
The reason admins are banning people htat are F4ing is because there are those people that constantly F4 to get on the team they want. It takes away that man each team needs in a tight game, and it's just lame. If you're going to lose the game, just lose it, don't F4. That takes away the satisfaction of all the hard work as the other team, not to mention that a lot of people are hypocrites and F4 when they're losing badly.
The only times I've ever F4ed was when the aliens were taking forever to destroy us, the marines were butting around, or the game wasn't moving at all and both sides were getting tired of it. I just really hate those people that drop from the server during long end games, that ruins the fun. It's truthfully end games when NS shines. Both sides have the highest in the tech tree as possible, and if the teams are good, they learn how to work as a team, learn the values of recon, distractions and what not. I've been on a marine team that was turtled in base on ns_nothing. I snuck out the vent, got to viaduct and the comm dropped me a phase. We set up the out post and destroyed the hive, and base was pretty much fine since the aliens knew something was up when they heard us phasing out of base. Then, the comm started dropping people what they requested (and what they were good with, these weren't noobs or rambos, most of the people on these teams were clanners or regulars.) A small group of JPs left the base to powersilo while some heavies went to cargo and one or two lights stayed at base for defense. The JPs got to power and we attacked the hive, drawing the entire alien team there (composed of people like the marine team) while the heavies set-up in cargo with phase and what not and destroyed it. NOw, the skulks have lost leap, the onos stomp, the fades metabolise, the lerks umbra. They could no longer hold us off. More JPers went to power to assist and the hive was brought down.
In this time frame though, a couple of noobs that were there on the marine team, F4ed when we turtled, thinking we were going to lose. Needless to say, they quickly rejoined marines when they saw we were winning, but they were the ones ending up n base defense. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> That's the reason some admins ban F4ing, you get people leaving the game when it seems "hopeless."
<!--QuoteBegin--Rei+Oct 23 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rei @ Oct 23 2003, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I happen to think F4-ing is showing poor sportsmanship on the losing teams side rather then 'bad winners'.
Every marine or alien victory is (usualy) hard earned and I don't think it's fair for the winning team that the losing team all F4. Winning is just a part of playing games, and so is losing. If you can't win and lose respectibly then I think you need to work some issues out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think this is the root of the problem: people see a victory by F4 as not being a victory at all. In my eyes, a win is a win (as long as it's come by fairly). I won't insist that someone finish the game of chess or Warhammer 40k or Risk or Laser Squad Nemesis if the outcome is obvious.
My opinion is that there's no dishonour in admitting defeat when you know you've lost. If it's over bar the shouting, I'll just go back to the ready room. On servers that ban for that, I'll just F4 and wait for a few minutes, then reconnect. Chances are they won't notice.
<!--QuoteBegin--Shrike30+Oct 23 2003, 03:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shrike30 @ Oct 23 2003, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why not simply add a function (like "vote commander") to the admin section of the popup menu that lets you basically say "vote forfeit?" You've got to get a fairly large portion of your team to acknowledge it (something like 75%), but it'd be better than suddenly having the game end when your team number disparity hits 4-5 (whatever it is).
What's it do? With the marines, it recycles all their structures (CC included). With the aliens, it kills all their hives (and prevents gorges from building new ones). Game doesn't end instantly... you still have to hunt and kill off the last survivors, or let the hive death nail 'em. But it's a hell of a lot more fun for both teams than simply having the game suddenly end and everyone go "lame..." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Get rid of the POD and this could be turned into a plain fps.
I admit, I think sometimes killing marines when they spawn is fun. But I usually don't mind if they f4 aslong as the game is over and it's pointless to keep playing.
Personally, I ask the opposing team (usually an admin on the opposing team):
"Permission to f4?"
The admins on the servers I play on know their jobs and are pretty good folks, they either say yes or say that they are going to end it quick (massive attack en route).
<!--QuoteBegin--Align+Sep 27 2003, 09:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Sep 27 2003, 09:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think we can simply put down this topic now, as it really just depends on the situation. Lets not discuss which situation is correct. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't start it all over again. And the guy who ressurected this thread in the first place forgot to read the rest of the topic, as what he had said had already been said 1000 times.
<!--QuoteBegin--Deronok+Sep 25 2003, 09:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Deronok @ Sep 25 2003, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Harry S. Truman+Sep 25 2003, 09:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Harry S. Truman @ Sep 25 2003, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Parents aren’t doing their jobs and teaching children how to win gracefully. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Because it's called ruining the hard earned victory for the other team. ESP if you're a marine on a PUBLIC server. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I get a greater feel of victory if my team makes the opposing team f4.
As a primary alien player, I *HATE* it when Marines F4. It's irritating throwing myself at them over and over... but once I break their line... it's just the exhiliration as you bowl them over like pins and smash their base to dust. It's a challenge to me.
<!--QuoteBegin--=US-cobra-V=+Sep 27 2003, 10:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (=US-cobra-V= @ Sep 27 2003, 10:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i agree on F4'ing when the marines or aliens are just stretching the game.
but my last game on origin **** me off.
i send all of my marines to computerlab exept 2 (baseguards) 1 of those baseguards i dicede to send to laser and furnace. the guys at computerlab bump into a skulkrush, base gets distroyed. reloc to the 1 guy at furnace. restart from there. get ore, start teching. get laser, rinestart, complab. everybody dies. fade in furnace. lose armslab, 1 ip, obs. fade gets killed, rebuild everything. in that time i had lost all my rts again. (most of them electrified.)
equip 4 guys with HA/shotty and 1 gets a gl. everybody moves out to ore extraction, laser, rine start, comp lab, they kill 2 onos, a fade and some skulks, nobody dies on the way. some of the greatest teamwork i saw on a pub. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (they where all nicely covering, welding eachother, nobody went rambo, ......)
start sieging bio. bio down
and what happens.
GG, aliens all F4 <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> well that freaking pisses me off! i already had a bad start, lose all my rts twice and then when we make a comeback they decide to F4!!! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
well the FUN was gone. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Had a game similar to this today (same map). I was on marines and we got beaten back into base (original), so basically we spent our last 60 res on some turrets and a HA. For the next 5 mins we fought off the aliens, died heaps of times from xenocide(survived quite a few by crouching behind buildings). At one stage I counted about 4 onos and a couple of fades (24 player server). Suddenly we managed to kill pretty much every alien in about 10 seconds (dont ask me, they probably just got cocky) so a quick LA/LMG rush and we took down biodome. A quick regroup back at base and we rushed and destroyed Furnace. At this stage some of the alien players f4 cus there were gonna loose (kinda ironic seeing as the teams had been stacked in their favor for a long time) leaving the teams at 12-8. I didnt get to see the end of the game as I had to leave <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> . My point is that just because your down to your last hive/stuck in your base throwing grenades, you can still make a comeback (I have a similar story from when I played Aliens)
And yes these were on Public servers (however half the Kharra team was made up of members from one clan <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ).
I ban for it because it is bad for the players in the long run, especially now when they need to learn. Its also depressing to play half a game, but then again I also give aliens 15 minutes to get organised and end a stalemate otherwise be banned for breaking the server rule "teamwork at all times". It ACTUALLY works!
I think the view on F4ing is split between more experienced players and less experienced players. After you kill an enemy base 100+ times, the thrill of it just wears off, because there's no challenge in it. These people don't mind F4ing to end it. However, if someone is new at the game, actually finishing off a base can be quite fun, and they're very disappointed when they can't do it. These people don't like to have their opponents F4.
On a side note, the "If you don't like blank, go to another server" argument is completely without merit. Consider the argument "If you don't like admins who ban players who go lerk, go to another server". Does this justify banning lerks in any way? No.
Ever since we had that massive thread on how f4-ing is bad this has been happening to me. You know the one where the guy was in counseling and he talks about the apple and taking away the apple. Yeah that thread somehow spread into the actual game and now people are getting ticked off at people who concede defeat. Nobody should be banned for saying, "I give up". That just doesn't make sense.
If you really want to conceed defeat without F4ing just recycle your base (though on some servers that gets you banned too o.O), stand in the open with your arms wide and shout 'EAT ME!!!' =3
<b>edit:</b> course I'm assuming the whole team wants to quit. Don't go recycling your base if the rest of your team is still brimming with determination even in impossible odds ^^;
F4 will never be removed. It will always be a serverside option and always should be a serverside option. Because I realize the necessity of it I will not play on servers that either employ F4-banning or do not have admins that will end a game when it's appropriate.
the point of the game(as i see it) is the on-going battle, which is not supposed to end until the fat lady sings, when one team has compleated his objectives, not when the other team puts up the white flag with spit/bulletholes on it, if i were admin, i would boot the guy who f4's and disable autowin(autowin=HORRABLE IDEA!!!) the way i see it, ns is a battle to the ugly end, like this little solder is doing now(he knows he dosent have a chance) <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo-->
god, and i evin read this entire topic!!!
E! did i mention autowin ruins the game for some people, when that little marine is the only one left on his team and theres a bunch of ppl on the other team, what happens? game over for the little marine, except this way, he dosent do any damage to the onos, and the onos dosent devour him...
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Yes, I think everything said in the last page or so agrees with this. When people have said stuff about f4 stealing victories, this is meant when the winning team is going to go in and destroy the other team's base/last hive in the next two minutes. You should wait and let them do this. It is only a few minutes, and it will let the other team get the satisfaction of a nice victory. I think everyone (for the most part) seems to agree with this part. If the winning team stretches it out, however, then it makes sense to f4, because they have obviously won and have had their chance to destroy your base/hive but chose not to. I think everyone seems to agree with this also.
Every marine or alien victory is (usualy) hard earned and I don't think it's fair for the winning team that the losing team all F4. Winning is just a part of playing games, and so is losing. If you can't win and lose respectibly then I think you need to work some issues out.
If the marines fought hard to push the aliens into a position where they are inevitably going to lose, well then the aliens should just take their loss respectably and wait for the marines to come in and finish them off. They earned that victory after all.. Why would you want to take that away from them?
The same goes for any marines out there who F4, the aliens worked for their win and deserve to finish the marines off fairly.
There's a lot of talk about Aliens F4-ing more then marines. On public servers, I'll agree this seems to be the case, but that's typically because most people find it boring to be on the defending side of a loss then as compaired to being a losing marine. I guess this is because a determined group of marines can hold out with only 1 res node, an Advanced armory, and some IP's for quite a while even against multiple Onos's, fades, lerks, bile bomb gorges, xenociders, ect. Where as with the aliens, once their higher life forms are dead and they are down to their last hive, they will all be skulks that don't even have leap against(Probably) a full team of HA or JP marines with HMG's, GL's, and Shotguns. Needless to say you can't hold back an expensive marine squad nearly as easily as defeated marines can stymie a large group of advanced aliens, even with a 3rd hive. So most just say screw it and F4 to move to the next game..
Despite this, I still think it would be overall better if the aliens just stayed and waited for there death to come. I don't think it's any worse to be a pitiful group of skulks getting gunned down by 10 HA HMG's then it is to be 10 marines getted webbed, xenocided, acid rocketed, eaten, gored, spored, sliced, and diced like so much meat. So what if it takes longer to kill of a sturdy group of marines then a bunch of skulks? Just stand your ground and meet death with honor and don't F4. If your going to lose, lose with dignity, and not by tucking your F4 between your legs and running off.
The same goes for all those marines out there who cry about being eaten 4 times in a row right after being hit with 2 acid rockets while trying to weld that dang RT, or whine about alien imbalance and whatever else they can toss at the aliens in spite of their victory. The numbers may not be the same, but an F4ing marine is just as bad as an F4ing alien.
Now granted i have also been destroyed comeplely more often than made a comeback but i still like the chance.
The only times i have F4ed were against a lame TEAM that camped the hive with SG and just killed spawning skulks, dropped mines - or onos, gorge and lerk camping the marine ip's.........This has happened a few times and i tell my team and the opposing team that if they do not finish the game i will F4 and wait in the readyroom. I don't mind losing but waiting to spawn so someone can kill me instantly is no fun.
Now as to the banning/ kicking f4'ers --- pointless
If that is the case and i am being spawn camped i will just leave the server and go and play somewhere else in another game.
Laters
paranoid
Ah! This is exactly what amazes me. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
What's it do? With the marines, it recycles all their structures (CC included). With the aliens, it kills all their hives (and prevents gorges from building new ones). Game doesn't end instantly... you still have to hunt and kill off the last survivors, or let the hive death nail 'em. But it's a hell of a lot more fun for both teams than simply having the game suddenly end and everyone go "lame..."
The only times I've ever F4ed was when the aliens were taking forever to destroy us, the marines were butting around, or the game wasn't moving at all and both sides were getting tired of it. I just really hate those people that drop from the server during long end games, that ruins the fun. It's truthfully end games when NS shines. Both sides have the highest in the tech tree as possible, and if the teams are good, they learn how to work as a team, learn the values of recon, distractions and what not. I've been on a marine team that was turtled in base on ns_nothing. I snuck out the vent, got to viaduct and the comm dropped me a phase. We set up the out post and destroyed the hive, and base was pretty much fine since the aliens knew something was up when they heard us phasing out of base. Then, the comm started dropping people what they requested (and what they were good with, these weren't noobs or rambos, most of the people on these teams were clanners or regulars.) A small group of JPs left the base to powersilo while some heavies went to cargo and one or two lights stayed at base for defense. The JPs got to power and we attacked the hive, drawing the entire alien team there (composed of people like the marine team) while the heavies set-up in cargo with phase and what not and destroyed it. NOw, the skulks have lost leap, the onos stomp, the fades metabolise, the lerks umbra. They could no longer hold us off. More JPers went to power to assist and the hive was brought down.
In this time frame though, a couple of noobs that were there on the marine team, F4ed when we turtled, thinking we were going to lose. Needless to say, they quickly rejoined marines when they saw we were winning, but they were the ones ending up n base defense. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> That's the reason some admins ban F4ing, you get people leaving the game when it seems "hopeless."
Every marine or alien victory is (usualy) hard earned and I don't think it's fair for the winning team that the losing team all F4. Winning is just a part of playing games, and so is losing. If you can't win and lose respectibly then I think you need to work some issues out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think this is the root of the problem: people see a victory by F4 as not being a victory at all. In my eyes, a win is a win (as long as it's come by fairly). I won't insist that someone finish the game of chess or Warhammer 40k or Risk or Laser Squad Nemesis if the outcome is obvious.
My opinion is that there's no dishonour in admitting defeat when you know you've lost. If it's over bar the shouting, I'll just go back to the ready room. On servers that ban for that, I'll just F4 and wait for a few minutes, then reconnect. Chances are they won't notice.
Anyway, I don't give up ever. Even when all three hives are down and the "tick" comes in. Or as a lone marine.
Err... that's not exactly true. Two cases:
- When they leave only the IPs and a gorge builds a DC, MC, SC, OC, etc. on top of them.
- When the marines leave your DCs' intact and turret farm the last hive while giggling like immature children.
NOOO!!! Stay away you *%#@!!&$#!!
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What's it do? With the marines, it recycles all their structures (CC included). With the aliens, it kills all their hives (and prevents gorges from building new ones). Game doesn't end instantly... you still have to hunt and kill off the last survivors, or let the hive death nail 'em. But it's a hell of a lot more fun for both teams than simply having the game suddenly end and everyone go "lame..." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Get rid of the POD and this could be turned into a plain fps.
"Permission to f4?"
The admins on the servers I play on know their jobs and are pretty good folks, they either say yes or say that they are going to end it quick (massive attack en route).
Don't start it all over again. And the guy who ressurected this thread in the first place forgot to read the rest of the topic, as what he had said had already been said 1000 times.
Because it's called ruining the hard earned victory for the other team. ESP if you're a marine on a PUBLIC server. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I get a greater feel of victory if my team makes the opposing team f4.
but my last game on origin **** me off.
i send all of my marines to computerlab exept 2 (baseguards)
1 of those baseguards i dicede to send to laser and furnace. the guys at computerlab bump into a skulkrush, base gets distroyed. reloc to the 1 guy at furnace. restart from there. get ore, start teching. get laser, rinestart, complab. everybody dies. fade in furnace. lose armslab, 1 ip, obs. fade gets killed, rebuild everything. in that time i had lost all my rts again. (most of them electrified.)
equip 4 guys with HA/shotty and 1 gets a gl. everybody moves out to ore extraction, laser, rine start, comp lab, they kill 2 onos, a fade and some skulks, nobody dies on the way. some of the greatest teamwork i saw on a pub. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (they where all nicely covering, welding eachother, nobody went rambo, ......)
start sieging bio. bio down
and what happens.
GG, aliens all F4 <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> well that freaking pisses me off! i already had a bad start, lose all my rts twice and then when we make a comeback they decide to F4!!! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
well the FUN was gone. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Had a game similar to this today (same map). I was on marines and we got beaten back into base (original), so basically we spent our last 60 res on some turrets and a HA. For the next 5 mins we fought off the aliens, died heaps of times from xenocide(survived quite a few by crouching behind buildings). At one stage I counted about 4 onos and a couple of fades (24 player server). Suddenly we managed to kill pretty much every alien in about 10 seconds (dont ask me, they probably just got cocky) so a quick LA/LMG rush and we took down biodome. A quick regroup back at base and we rushed and destroyed Furnace. At this stage some of the alien players f4 cus there were gonna loose (kinda ironic seeing as the teams had been stacked in their favor for a long time) leaving the teams at 12-8. I didnt get to see the end of the game as I had to leave <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> . My point is that just because your down to your last hive/stuck in your base throwing grenades, you can still make a comeback (I have a similar story from when I played Aliens)
And yes these were on Public servers (however half the Kharra team was made up of members from one clan <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ).
On a side note, the "If you don't like blank, go to another server" argument is completely without merit. Consider the argument "If you don't like admins who ban players who go lerk, go to another server". Does this justify banning lerks in any way? No.
If you really want to conceed defeat without F4ing just recycle your base (though on some servers that gets you banned too o.O), stand in the open with your arms wide and shout 'EAT ME!!!' =3
<b>edit:</b> course I'm assuming the whole team wants to quit. Don't go recycling your base if the rest of your team is still brimming with determination even in impossible odds ^^;
F4 will never be removed. It will always be a serverside option and always should be a serverside option. Because I realize the necessity of it I will not play on servers that either employ F4-banning or do not have admins that will end a game when it's appropriate.
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god, and i evin read this entire topic!!!
E! did i mention autowin ruins the game for some people, when that little marine is the only one left on his team and theres a bunch of ppl on the other team, what happens? game over for the little marine, except this way, he dosent do any damage to the onos, and the onos dosent devour him...