Loved Lort:TTT - Can't wait for return of the king <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Sep 1 2003, 05:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Sep 1 2003, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and yes, i read all your posts. i'm sorry, i don't have my own copy of the hobbit, but i'm about 95% sure there's an excerpt i would have quoted here saying that the word goblin is interchangible with orc, when regarding lesser, crappier orcs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Orcs and goblins are different but related. Orcs are larger and stronger.
The Uruk-Hai, if I'm not mistaken, were a result of crossing goblins and orcs to produce a creature as strong as an orc but able to function in daylight.
[edit: The creatures that Bilbo encounters in <i>The Hobbit</i> were goblins - I distinctly remember Gollum thinking to himself how nice it was when he could catch a goblin unawares and strangle it. The critters in Moria were also goblins, I believe, though I'd have to check the books to be absolutely certain. The soldiers of Mordor, where it is eternally dark, are predominantly orcs. Saruman created the Uruk-Hai so that he'd be able to launch attacks on the rest of Middle-Earth in broad daylight.)
Moving back on track for appreciation of the movie, yep, I was pleased with two towers. If I could find one thing that has bothered me in the movies so far, was that the sense of desperation that the books so convey to you have been absent from the movies. While reading the books, you got the overall sense that time was running out, the armies of Mordor had grown beyond count, they were coming for you, the kingdoms of the free peoples of middle earth were going to fall. I downloaded the leaked trailer for the third movie, and you can imagine my joy when I saw some of this feeling being captured <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Other than that, I eagerly await the extended version of two towers, and look forward even more to return of the king.
<!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Sep 1 2003, 12:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Sep 1 2003, 12:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Are they always slowly walking up to their pray, making themselfs an easy target? I doubt that one flaming arrow would actually torch them anyway. I bet it would hurt them, but not force them to run away. Aragorn had a bunch of twigs/sticks lit of fire that he pushed into thier hoods.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Listen to yourself, please <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> You really think fire could even <b>hurt</b> immortal ghost kings? Hardly. It's not much of an opponent if you can just stick it once with a torch and make it escape. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhh, yea. But I think you've forgotten that most mortals and even elves can't even approach the Nazgul without being paralized with fear and dread. Also, I think that one reason the Nazgul were so easily scared off by Aragorn was the fact that it was Aragorn sticking a torch in there hoods in the first place. The Nazgul aren't all powerful, if the King of Men couldn't scare THEM away, then how the hell is he suppose to rally mankind and defeat both Saruman and Sauron?
And yea, there are goblins in Middle Earth, and it's stated quite cleary in all of the LotR books and the first two movies. Goblin is like slang for puny Orc, they aren't aligned with Sauron so they recieve none of his power.
<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Sep 1 2003, 08:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Sep 1 2003, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The Uruk-Hai, if I'm not mistaken, were a result of crossing goblins and orcs to produce a creature as strong as an orc but able to function in daylight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Almost, I think Uruk-Hai were the combination of Orcs and goblin-men. (don't even want to think of how they did that <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> ) I could be wrong though, read the books over a year ago.
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<!--QuoteBegin--DarkDude+Sep 2 2003, 11:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkDude @ Sep 2 2003, 11:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And yea, there are goblins in Middle Earth, and it's stated quite cleary in all of the LotR books and the first two movies. Goblin is like slang for puny Orc, they aren't aligned with Sauron so they recieve none of his power. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> dude, sweet. that's exactly what i've been saying. why don't people just listen?
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<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Sep 2 2003, 01:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Sep 2 2003, 01:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Sep 1 2003, 05:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Sep 1 2003, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and yes, i read all your posts. i'm sorry, i don't have my own copy of the hobbit, but i'm about 95% sure there's an excerpt i would have quoted here saying that the word goblin is interchangible with orc, when regarding lesser, crappier orcs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Orcs and goblins are different but related. Orcs are larger and stronger. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> key words: lesser, crappier.
<!--QuoteBegin--TychoCelchuuu+Aug 31 2003, 09:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 31 2003, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--OttoDestruct+Aug 31 2003, 10:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Aug 31 2003, 10:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Regardless of wether you like it or not, you have to admit these three films are about the most impressive film endeavors ever. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, anyone can be impressive when you have all the money, time, and source materiel you need. Star Wars had nothing when it started, and look how good it did. It even did well with TESB and RotJ. The thing that killed LotR 2 was that they took out the spider scene. I mean, it's still going to be in the 3rd movie, I hear, but the whole point of the second book was that you didn't know what happened! Like TESB! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As a matter of fact, neither did LOTR. If the first one failed, they would've stopped production and New Line would've gone bankrupt. Jackson constantly begged for a publisher and only through a very nice person was this a trilogy rather than just two movies. The special effects house is his own and New Zealand was also chosen for financial (not to mention beautific) reasons. And check out the list of producers. It was basically the biggest gamble in the industry since, well, Star Wars or maybe Titanic.
Can't wait til LotR: RotK. It will make Matrix 3 shake.
Oh, and they said that some DVD's have a problem. Apparently, the movie will skip around Chapter 52, sometimes even bringing it back one hour. Some were bad, others were not. Some say it's a DVD player problem though it happens on many brands. So check it out before you buy.
Goblin is not a subset or type of orc, though, which is what you imply. They are in fact distinct species. This is why Saruman had to employ "foul crafts" in order to cross them. (Remember that scene where he's pulling Uruk-hai out of the pits of mud? Yeah. Think of that as a dark magic incubator.)
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<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Sep 3 2003, 01:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Sep 3 2003, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Goblin is not a subset or type of orc, though, which is what you imply. They are in fact distinct species. This is why Saruman had to employ "foul crafts" in order to cross them. (Remember that scene where he's pulling Uruk-hai out of the pits of mud? Yeah. Think of that as a dark magic incubator.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i'm not implying anything, besides the fact that tolkien said it in <i>The Hobbit</i>, and they're much crappier.
i have no idea why you're talking to me about uruk-hai.
foul crafts... so you're saying if they WEREN'T distant, he wouldn't have to utilize "foul crafts", but instead "regular crafts"?
as in... he'd just put em in a pit and they'd get to screwin, and make uruk-hai babies?
i don't get it, still.
edit: if you're debating the crappiness/non-crappiness of respective orc species, i acknowledge that uruk-hai are, in fact, not crappy.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Sep 2 2003, 09:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Sep 2 2003, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Sep 3 2003, 01:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Sep 3 2003, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Goblin is not a subset or type of orc, though, which is what you imply. They are in fact distinct species. This is why Saruman had to employ "foul crafts" in order to cross them. (Remember that scene where he's pulling Uruk-hai out of the pits of mud? Yeah. Think of that as a dark magic incubator.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i'm not implying anything, besides the fact that tolkien said it in <i>The Hobbit</i>, and they're much crappier.
i have no idea why you're talking to me about uruk-hai.
foul crafts... so you're saying if they WEREN'T distant, he wouldn't have to utilize "foul crafts", but instead "regular crafts"?
as in... he'd just put em in a pit and they'd get to screwin, and make uruk-hai babies?
i don't get it, still.
edit: if you're debating the crappiness/non-crappiness of respective orc species, i acknowledge that uruk-hai are, in fact, not crappy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Due to your talent for humorous non-flame burns, I hereby promote you to "NS Forum Masta".
<!--QuoteBegin--BadKarma+Sep 2 2003, 10:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Sep 2 2003, 10:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> K, i got a question. Are all the dwarves dead? Like, just slaughtered in the mines? If so, wouldnt that be a bit of a downer to gimli there? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lol, no. The majority of the dwarves are still alive and well... it's just that the ones in Moria are dead.
<!--QuoteBegin--BadKarma+Sep 2 2003, 10:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Sep 2 2003, 10:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> K, i got a question. Are all the dwarves dead? Like, just slaughtered in the mines? If so, wouldnt that be a bit of a downer to gimli there? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There are still some dwarves in the mountains near the North. Don't worry, they keep on coming. Dwarf women DO exist...
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Orcs and goblins are different but related. Orcs are larger and stronger.
The Uruk-Hai, if I'm not mistaken, were a result of crossing goblins and orcs to produce a creature as strong as an orc but able to function in daylight.
[edit: The creatures that Bilbo encounters in <i>The Hobbit</i> were goblins - I distinctly remember Gollum thinking to himself how nice it was when he could catch a goblin unawares and strangle it. The critters in Moria were also goblins, I believe, though I'd have to check the books to be absolutely certain. The soldiers of Mordor, where it is eternally dark, are predominantly orcs. Saruman created the Uruk-Hai so that he'd be able to launch attacks on the rest of Middle-Earth in broad daylight.)
I downloaded the leaked trailer for the third movie, and you can imagine my joy when I saw some of this feeling being captured <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Other than that, I eagerly await the extended version of two towers, and look forward even more to return of the king.
Listen to yourself, please <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> You really think fire could even <b>hurt</b> immortal ghost kings? Hardly. It's not much of an opponent if you can just stick it once with a torch and make it escape. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhh, yea. But I think you've forgotten that most mortals and even elves can't even approach the Nazgul without being paralized with fear and dread. Also, I think that one reason the Nazgul were so easily scared off by Aragorn was the fact that it was Aragorn sticking a torch in there hoods in the first place. The Nazgul aren't all powerful, if the King of Men couldn't scare THEM away, then how the hell is he suppose to rally mankind and defeat both Saruman and Sauron?
And yea, there are goblins in Middle Earth, and it's stated quite cleary in all of the LotR books and the first two movies. Goblin is like slang for puny Orc, they aren't aligned with Sauron so they recieve none of his power.
Almost, I think Uruk-Hai were the combination of Orcs and goblin-men. (don't even want to think of how they did that <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> ) I could be wrong though, read the books over a year ago.
*P.S. Sorry for the double post.*
dude, sweet. that's exactly what i've been saying. why don't people just listen?
Orcs and goblins are different but related. Orcs are larger and stronger.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
key words: lesser, crappier.
Well, anyone can be impressive when you have all the money, time, and source materiel you need. Star Wars had nothing when it started, and look how good it did. It even did well with TESB and RotJ. The thing that killed LotR 2 was that they took out the spider scene. I mean, it's still going to be in the 3rd movie, I hear, but the whole point of the second book was that you didn't know what happened! Like TESB! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
As a matter of fact, neither did LOTR. If the first one failed, they would've stopped production and New Line would've gone bankrupt. Jackson constantly begged for a publisher and only through a very nice person was this a trilogy rather than just two movies. The special effects house is his own and New Zealand was also chosen for financial (not to mention beautific) reasons. And check out the list of producers. It was basically the biggest gamble in the industry since, well, Star Wars or maybe Titanic.
Can't wait til LotR: RotK. It will make Matrix 3 shake.
Oh, and they said that some DVD's have a problem. Apparently, the movie will skip around Chapter 52, sometimes even bringing it back one hour. Some were bad, others were not. Some say it's a DVD player problem though it happens on many brands. So check it out before you buy.
i'm not implying anything, besides the fact that tolkien said it in <i>The Hobbit</i>, and they're much crappier.
i have no idea why you're talking to me about uruk-hai.
foul crafts... so you're saying if they WEREN'T distant, he wouldn't have to utilize "foul crafts", but instead "regular crafts"?
as in... he'd just put em in a pit and they'd get to screwin, and make uruk-hai babies?
i don't get it, still.
edit: if you're debating the crappiness/non-crappiness of respective orc species, i acknowledge that uruk-hai are, in fact, not crappy.
i'm not implying anything, besides the fact that tolkien said it in <i>The Hobbit</i>, and they're much crappier.
i have no idea why you're talking to me about uruk-hai.
foul crafts... so you're saying if they WEREN'T distant, he wouldn't have to utilize "foul crafts", but instead "regular crafts"?
as in... he'd just put em in a pit and they'd get to screwin, and make uruk-hai babies?
i don't get it, still.
edit: if you're debating the crappiness/non-crappiness of respective orc species, i acknowledge that uruk-hai are, in fact, not crappy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Due to your talent for humorous non-flame burns, I hereby promote you to "NS Forum Masta".
LOL.... thanks! XD
anybody wanna second that? ^_^
lol, no. The majority of the dwarves are still alive and well... it's just that the ones in Moria are dead.
There are still some dwarves in the mountains near the North. Don't worry, they keep on coming. Dwarf women DO exist...