Legalizing Prostitution?
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Honestly. Why not?
I say as long as the prostitutes take mandatory health checks and have a health card, and pay taxes, it would be a wondeful thing.
Why?
1. Now they can't take the money they get from prostitution, and ALL the social services they took before because they are employed. Therefore, more tax money comes in, and less tax money goes out.
2. It lets the police concentrate on other matters.
3. We don't have to pay for the court trials, jail time, etc of prostitutes that follow the rules of Health Cards and Tax Laws therefore saving more money to be put to more important issues.
Discuss.
Honestly. Why not?
I say as long as the prostitutes take mandatory health checks and have a health card, and pay taxes, it would be a wondeful thing.
Why?
1. Now they can't take the money they get from prostitution, and ALL the social services they took before because they are employed. Therefore, more tax money comes in, and less tax money goes out.
2. It lets the police concentrate on other matters.
3. We don't have to pay for the court trials, jail time, etc of prostitutes that follow the rules of Health Cards and Tax Laws therefore saving more money to be put to more important issues.
Discuss.
Comments
Some contries such as New Zealand are taking steps to make this a formal profession, with schooling for it, and health benefits and perhaps even a union. If prostitutes (sexual therapists) become a legit profession then going to one would be no different then going to a health clinic.
The only possible problem is moral since they don't contribute to violence in anway, and the only harm comes from possible arrest or disease.
And since no one would force you to go to one the moral issue isn't an issue at all.
Um not really , that are legal.
In Las Vegas there is legal prostitiution however it is heaviliy regulated and you need to get a permit.
As for prostitution in general.
What is the difference between prostiutution and legal porn? The only difference is a contract.
My personal opposition to prostitution - moral. The government doesnt work in morals, so I cant see why it shouldnt stop legalised prostitution unless there are serious social implications. And there are.
First off - drugs. Prostitution and drugs are very closely linked. Prostitution is shown to have huge pyschological impacts upon the prostitute IN MOST CASES. The prostitute very often then turns to drugs. Or it can be the other way round. The prostitute is on drugs and needs to prostitute herself to get money for a fix. That then leads to a vicious cycle of needing drugs to dull the emotional pain of being nothing more than a sexual meat popsicle, and needing to be a prostitute to get more drugs.
There is a reason that being a prostitute is normally reserved for the dregs of society. Its one of those jobs you DONT want to be in. Its dangerous, pyscholocially damaging, and its not fun. To legalise prostitution would be the same as the government telling a generation of women that there is nothing to fear in being a prostitute, that its a career alternative.
Its not, its incredibly degrading to the woman. Years ago feminists actually supported women in prostitution, and have now very much seen the error in its ways. Prostitution is a blight on the female sex.
Anyone here have a daughter? A sister? If you found she was selling herself on the street corner, you would do anything in your power to convince her not to. If you found her in a legal brothel, I hope you'd do the same. If you think you would be fine with that, I simply dont know how you sleep at night.
There is a reason that being a prostitute is normally reserved for the dregs of society. Its one of those jobs you DONT want to be in. Its dangerous, pyscholocially damaging, and its not fun. To legalise prostitution would be the same as the government telling a generation of women that there is nothing to fear in being a prostitute, that its a career alternative. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Spot on. Prostitution is harming the prostitutes themselves in multiple ways. They are socially osctracized by ruthless fellow human beings. They risk getting cut and beat up by psychopaths who cant "get any" with normal women. They risk contracting uncurable diseases. Oh, and their are wounded psychologically as well. That has been proven by examining and interviewing many working and former prostitutes.
In Sweden they did the smart thing: they made the customer the law breaker. Not the prostitute. So he gets to do time, not her.
alius
Im with immac - you make the pervert (and yes if you use a prostitute ur a pervert in my opinion) the criminal. As long is their is a market there will be prostitutes.
i mean why not, its a job like every other
Im with immac - you make the pervert (and yes if you use a prostitute ur a pervert in my opinion) the criminal. As long is their is a market there will be prostitutes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats also your view, whats degrading to you or me may not be degrading to the women. Don't always assume such things. Also it would be far less degrading when its more accepted by society as a whole and the women would know she isn't commiting an illegal act but a government sanctioned one, the men would have to be courtious and well mannered or else they wouldn't have authourization to go through with the "act". She would be much safer knowing the man was also tested for STDs and would overall live a much healthier lifestyle, mentally and physically. Sex is looked down upon by many in our society when it shouldn't be. As humans we naturally need to fulfill our sexual desires, through conventional means like having a partner, though masturbation or prostitution if neccesary. Its nothing to be ashamed of, sex is a very fun thing and in other cultures prostitution is thought of as just another job. You really can't pass judgement on how the women feels unless you've prostituted yourself IMO. You've never lived in their shoes.
Also, as I said before. Prostition is always going to happen. Be it in an alley or a government sanctioned building thats clean and safe. Legalizing it just helps all involved and allows police to focus on more important issues.
i mean why not, its a job like every other <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Asraiel I take it your not a prostitute? How do you know everything is better? How would you know if these women were suffering or not?
As to "its a job like every other" - I find that ludicrous. I had a grandmother who supported prostitution. This really bothered me, so I talked to my father about it. And he said "Look she says that, but if Hannah (my sister) was down on the street corner she would go down there and physically drag her back home."
Most people argueing for the legalizing of prostitution are the sort of people whose daughters WONT be in it. Either that or they are prostitutes/whoremasters themselves - in which case misery loves company.
Get married, have kids. Then you try and tell your daughter when shes trying to decide what she wants to be in life that being a prostitute is a rewarding career. And when your precious daughter is on the street you come back here and tell us the problem is fixed by legalization.
EDIT - that last bit was a bit harsh so I took it out
i mean why not, its a job like every other <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Asraiel I take it your not a prostitute? How do you know everything is better? How would you know if these women were suffering or not?
As to "its a job like every other" - I find that ludicrous. I had a grandmother who supported prostitution. This really bothered me, so I talked to my father about it. And he said "Look she says that, but if Hannah (my sister) was down on the street corner she would go down there and physically drag her back home."
Most people argueing for the legalizing of prostitution are the sort of people whose daughters WONT be in it. Either that or they are prostitutes/whoremasters themselves - in which case misery loves company.
Get married, have kids. Then you try and tell your daughter when shes trying to decide what she wants to be in life that being a prostitute is a rewarding career. And when your precious daughter is on the street you come back here and tell us the problem is fixed by legalization.
EDIT - that last bit was a bit harsh so I took it out <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I take it you aren't a prostitute either. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I definately agree it doesn't make it "all" better. But it would most certainly improve the safety of it and the mental health of the women involved.
*edit* Stupid grammatical error *edit*
Also, as I said before. Prostition is always going to happen. Be it in an alley or a government sanctioned building thats clean and safe. Legalizing it just helps all involved and allows police to focus on more important issues. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess what is degrading and what isnt is subjective. And I guess thats where the morals come into it.
"Sex is looked down upon by many in our society when it shouldnt be" That also is subjective. As humans we do need to fulfill our sexual desires, but there is so much more to sex than simply the biological act. There is a very strong emotional part to the sexual act that when it is abused causes negative effects upon the woman.
Alius I have never lived in their shoes thats true. But I have read studies on them, I am thoroughly interesting in their situation and there is no denying that to the majority of hookers, their profession is a damaging one.
Just because something is accepted in other cultures doesnt make it alright and natural in my opinion. Execution is acceptable in other cultures, the multilation of the female genitals is acceptable in many cultures, and I think both are evil.
I definately agree it doesn't make it "all" better. But it would most certainly improve the safety of it and the mental health of the women involved.
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It WILL improve safety there is no denying that benefit thats true. But I dont agree with the solving of mental issues. The mental issues come with the sex act, not government controls.
Nor do I believe the elimination of shame is a good thing. Humans often feel ashamed when they have done the wrong thing.
Also, as I said before. Prostition is always going to happen. Be it in an alley or a government sanctioned building thats clean and safe. Legalizing it just helps all involved and allows police to focus on more important issues. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess what is degrading and what isnt is subjective. And I guess thats where the morals come into it.
"Sex is looked down upon by many in our society when it shouldnt be" That also is subjective. As humans we do need to fulfill our sexual desires, but there is so much more to sex than simply the biological act. There is a very strong emotional part to the sexual act that when it is abused causes negative effects upon the woman.
Alius I have never lived in their shoes thats true. But I have read studies on them, I am thoroughly interesting in their situation and there is no denying that to the majority of hookers, their profession is a damaging one.
Just because something is accepted in other cultures doesnt make it alright and natural in my opinion. Execution is acceptable in other cultures, the multilation of the female genitals is acceptable in many cultures, and I think both are evil. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please don't get the idea that I am morally supportive of the issue, because I'm not. I know its degrading to women and as such anything that would make it less painful and safer for those involved is good in my opinion. Also alot of their pain comes from the social stigma attached to it in our country, hence my mention of how other cultures view it. Also comparing prostitution to execution and disfiguring torture is a bit far fetched if you ask me.
(Also I just noticed my not being morally supportive of it as being hypocritical, while not neccesarily agreeing with it I'm all for making the lives of those involved better, no matter my personal opinion)
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Lol yeah we do keep missing the posts <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well I guess where we disagree is that I believe the mental damage comes not from the stigma but from the sexual act. The sleeping with many men who don't give a hoot about you.
I wasnt comparing prostitution to execution or FGM, I was just giving those as examples of what other cultures find acceptable but I dont. Trying to prove that just because its considered normal elsewhere doesnt mean it should be considered normal in Australia (or the US or wherever).
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Lol yeah we do keep missing the posts <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well I guess where we disagree is that I believe the mental damage comes not from the stigma but from the sexual act. The sleeping with many men who don't give a hoot about you.
I wasnt comparing prostitution to execution or FGM, I was just giving those as examples of what other cultures find acceptable but I dont. Trying to prove that just because its considered normal elsewhere doesnt mean it should be considered normal in Australia (or the US or wherever). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh I completely agree that societies view isn't only where the emotional damage comes from, then again thats dependent on the women! Not all women feel the need to be emotionally attached to their sexual partners, as most men don't feel. (I myself don't fit in that catagory but I know others do) Even though thats a very small population.
Sex I believe is designed to create a bond between sexual partners. Ninety-five percent of people who have sex feel closer to the other person. Of course, the other unfortunate statistic is that if your at high school then there is a 95% chance you'll break up with that person within a month.
I personally do know a "Happy ****". Here's an example for yah alius. Not mine originally but from a video called "Sex has a price tag". Sex is like stickytape. I stick on your arm (have sex with you (assuming ur a chick <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->)). We break up, and the stickytape is ripped of your arm. Now its still sticky, but its carrying a lot of "emotional" garbage from your arm. Then I stick it on someone else, it still sticks but not as well. If i keep repeating this eventually it will have so much shizen from peoples arms that it will no longer stick to anything.
And thats when you have reached "maximum damage" in my mind, and can no longer feel any wrong or shame in what you have done. Your conscience and mentality is seared. You are damaged goods with serious mental issues.
EDIT I believe the above statistic holds true for both men and women. Men appear to be less affected to us, but then again they may be hiding it, and it may appear that way to us due to media saturation.
Sex I believe is designed to create a bond between sexual partners. Ninety-five percent of people who have sex feel closer to the other person. Of course, the other unfortunate statistic is that if your at high school then there is a 95% chance you'll break up with that person within a month.
I personally do know a "Happy ****". Here's an example for yah alius. Not mine originally but from a video called "Sex has a price tag". Sex is like stickytape. I stick on your arm (have sex with you (assuming ur a chick <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->)). We break up, and the stickytape is ripped of your arm. Now its still sticky, but its carrying a lot of "emotional" garbage from your arm. Then I stick it on someone else, it still sticks but not as well. If i keep repeating this eventually it will have so much shizen from peoples arms that it will no longer stick to anything.
And thats when you have reached "maximum damage" in my mind, and can no longer feel any wrong or shame in what you have done. Your conscience and mentality is seared. You are damaged goods with serious mental issues. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are people that can have sex with no emotional attachment, however I am not one of those. (If you read my previous post clearly) I agree with you wholeheartedly on your view of sex. Its an extremely emotional thing and it does bring two people much closer together. However there are those who can take part in sex with no emotional attachment at all. But then again we are kind of derailing the topic.
Oh, by the way, I am male. Also I really don't take part in the "find yourself" have fun type of highschool relationships. I would much rather prefer to find a girl I enjoy being with and can actually have a ten minute conversation with. I don't have the unsatiable sexually activity of most guys my age. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Most of the stuff I'm posting isn't exactly my opinion either, I'm merely playing a sort of devils advocate. Although thats not the best way to explain it. I DO agree with the stuff I'm posting but it isn't exactly my personal view on it, more that I would rather it be a safer and less harmful practice then it is as of now.
I guess this debate has kinda reached its end then. I agree it would make it safer.
I'm also with you on your view on women.
Pleasure dealing with you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I guess this debate has kinda reached its end then. I agree it would make it safer.
I'm also with you on your view on women.
Pleasure dealing with you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed, always love a good debate. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I feel that legalising prostitution is both a good and a bad idea. The good sides be the proverbial "fat cash" that brothels would recieve having lost the stigma of being illegal would benefit both the image of the prostitute and give them a little credibility over the "Scum of the Earth" image they seem to have now. Also the introduction of a prostitution permit and strict regular healthchecks would also put them in a much better light and make the whole profession seem more credible.
On the other hand, the money that would need be pumped in to "clean up prostitution" would be a great amount and all the extra government spending for the medical checks and permits would be more money out of the governments pockets, that cannot be helping the national debt. Ontop of that the introduction of taxes and so on to a prostitutes rates would push the profession deeper underground so you'd still get illegal brothels recieving cash-in-hand, untaxed dollars. Also these "underground brothels" will bypass the official routes to become a prostitute (to avoid the taxation) so thus preventing them from the regular health checks and so on.
This is, of course, ENTIRELY theoretical. Just my views...