Legalizing Prostitution?

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  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    Pffffft Ryo I take it by that you mean me. Actually Im staunchly for Mr Howard.

    Hansen had some good ideas and some bad ideas - mostly bad. Thats why she didnt win the election. So come on Ryo add something actually CONSTRUCTIVE to this arguement instead of taking snipes at me.

    And so everything turns in a full circle. The athiestic left take exactly the same approach as the religious right of old did, sneering at any dissenting opinion.

    Of course, if I've taken you completely out of context feel free to correct me. If not, then a big BAH on ur ideological elitism.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    I don't condemn all the policies of the right out of hand and I don't fervantly support all the ideas of the left. I support whatever seems the best approach, taking each individual idea on it's own merits. I think Howard has done some things right, but I feel that his treatment of health services, education and foreign relations has been second rate at best. On the economic front he's fared better, although I'm oppossed to a further sale of Telstra. Next election I might vote Labor if they can get their act together, otherwise I'll try the Greens for the first time. I won't vote Liberal though for the reasons stated above.

    I was just ribbing you mate <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited August 2003
    Some of you are looking at it through a forced perspective, and since you admited you are comming from the relegious side of things that's to be expected.

    Legal prostitution isn't what you believe or were taught to believe it is. It would be simple put sexual therapy for people. There <i>are</i> countries where it is legal and despite what you think of it the women aren't drug addicts or psychologically scarred. This subject needs to be put into context and if you hold sex as a sacred gift given to you by God then of course your going to have moral objections to it. The fact is no one would force the woman/man (yes women would have the option of being the "pervert" too) to choose this profession and no one would force a person to seek its services, so where exactly is the moral issue.

    As far as the drugs, disease, violence aspect of it, there wouldn't be one since it would be regulated and take place in pretty much a health clinic. It's quite simple and if you have ever given a sperm sample or donated blood you can see how easy it would be to regulate.

    As far as the psycological factor I don't think anyone is purposing the therapist would be required to give themselves in all the intamacy of <i>love making</i>, and there is a difference, to their clients. There wouldn't be any foreplay, there wouldn't be any bonding before hand, there wouldn't be any cuddling afterwards, where exactly is the emotional scarring?
  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    "But it's degrading to women!" you cry. "They're not being respected, they're being treated as sexual objects!"

    What, are fashion models paid and valued for their keen insight on world affairs? How much respect does the average person show to a circus clown? There are LOTS of professions where the practitioner is valued for a one particular asset, and/or not respected as a human being in the course of his/her work.

    Degradation is ultimately a subjective thing. Prostitution will happen no matter what - if it's legal, the "degradation" aspect should be very much diminished, if not eliminated entirely in many cases, since at the very least prostitutes will no longer be seen as low-life criminals, and they'll be much less likely to be the victims of abuse.

    What it boils down to for me is this: two consenting adults should be able to do pretty much whatever they want to do. Whether or not money exchanges hands is an all but irrelevant detail.
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    Okay Ryo I'm glad you added that man - I was just about to head over to St Lucia to sort a few things out with these here knuckle dusters <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Dr. d people have written thesis' on the emotional attachment generated by nothing more than the biological act. The fore and after certainly increase it, but its the biological act where it really "happens".

    I find it funny that almost everyone here supports it yet wouldnt have their daughter involved.

    How are we sure that prostitutes in other cultures arent being damaged? Look at it this way - most women find being treated as a sexual meat popsicle degrading. As I said before, whether its in a palace or the street, having sex with some man who doesnt care about you even slightly hurts - or so reformed prostitutes claim.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Aug 29 2003, 08:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Aug 29 2003, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Okay Ryo I'm glad you added that man - I was just about to head over to St Lucia to sort a few things out with these here knuckle dusters <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Dr. d people have written thesis' on the emotional attachment generated by nothing more than the biological act. The fore and after certainly increase it, but its the biological act where it really "happens".

    I find it funny that almost everyone here supports it yet wouldnt have their daughter involved.

    How are we sure that prostitutes in other cultures arent being damaged? Look at it this way - most women find being treated as a sexual meat popsicle degrading. As I said before, whether its in a palace or the street, having sex with some man who doesnt care about you even slightly hurts - or so reformed prostitutes claim. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Again you are looking at legal prostitution from a skewed perspective.


    The following will contain some graphic material.

    If you took the time to actually read up on some of the things being done in a country like, for the fourth time, New Zealand, you'd see that it would be a profession much like a nurse.

    There wouldn't be any **** spanking, doggy-styling, dirty word slinging, and certainly any man or woman that wanted to treat one of the therapists like a meat popsicle would quickly be denied an apointment. These people wouldn't be what you picture a prostitue to be in your mind and they certainly wouldn't preform many of the lewd acts I'm sure you are imagining. As far as the immediate attachment between people who have a physical there is no denying that it happens, but whether it is natural or not can be argued. Codependency is classified as a problem not a good thing, and is rampant for the most part, so who's to say going to these sexual therapy appointments won't help a person deal with sex more rationally and maybe even help them have healthier relationships? There have been enough cases where a relationship was based soley on sex and it never ends well.
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Aug 29 2003, 08:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 29 2003, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The following will contain some graphic material.

    If you took the time to actually read up on some of the things being done in a country like, for the fourth time, New Zealand, you'd see that it would be a profession much like a nurse.

    There wouldn't be any **** spanking, doggy-styling, dirty word slinging, and certainly any man or woman that wanted to treat one of the therapists like a meat popsicle would quickly be denied an apointment. These people wouldn't be what you picture a prostitue to be in your mind and they certainly wouldn't preform many of the lewd acts I'm sure you are imagining. As far as the immediate attachment between people who have a physical there is no denying that it happens, but whether it is natural or not can be argued. Codependency is classified as a problem not a good thing, and is rampant for the most part, so who's to say going to these sexual therapy appointments won't help a person deal with sex more rationally and maybe even help them have healthier relationships? There have been enough cases where a relationship was based soley on sex and it never ends well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you pay to have sex with a woman you have never met before than she is your sexual meat popsicle. Just because you choose conventional sex doesnt make it any more degrading in the womans mind. If she claims that she doesnt find it degrading, then she can do what she likes, but I dont think the government should be supporting it for women everywhere.

    Relationships based on sex have got very little to hold them together, I'm with you on that one. Are you advocating having sex with another woman (the "therapist" which I am taking to mean the prostitute) to help with problems with the missus?
  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Aug 29 2003, 06:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Aug 29 2003, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If she claims that she doesnt find it degrading, then she can do what she likes, but I dont think the government should be supporting it for women everywhere. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    In fact, she CAN'T do what she likes if prostitution is illegal. Hence the topic.

    The government wouldn't be opening up a Federal Department of Prostitution or anything. Geeze. They'd just agree not to clap people in irons for it.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited August 2003
    I'm saying the emotional attachment from sex isn't innate in people and is learned from society, and is therefore psychological. And if sexual therapy can help somone not get attached every time they have sex it could lessen the chance of them getting involved in an unhealthy relationship. Follow me?
  • ElectricSheepElectricSheep Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15716Members
    edited August 2003
    It's already legal in Nevada. I also don't support it or go against it. It's the woman's choice after all. I wouldn't ever go to a brothel I find the thought apalling but if others don't it's their choice.
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    Once the Government says we wont arrest you for it - they are saying there is nothing wrong with it.

    Im not with you there - Sexual bonding I believe to be innate to humans. Not cultural. If you are having sex with someone and it doesnt make you feel more attached to that person - then you ARE in an unhealthy relationship.

    Once again I reiterate - you all support this, but not my daughter no way. Not my wife. Not my sister. I would call you all hypocrites. And if you see nothing wrong with your daughter being a ****, then perhaps its time you considered putting her up for adoption.

    How many of you actually know a prostitute? Not many - because we are all middle class citizens. Now I do, she useda go to school with me. And she aint happy. She claims she is, I can see she isnt. Prostitutes are the lower class who arent there because they feel they have a choice.

    Put your hand up if you would have your daughter as a prostitute, and I'll admire your consistancy, but pitty your future child.
  • RenegadeRenegade Old school Join Date: 2002-03-29 Member: 361Members
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada, correct?
  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Aug 30 2003, 04:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Aug 30 2003, 04:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Aug 29 2003, 08:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Aug 29 2003, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The following will contain some graphic material.

    If you took the time to actually read up on some of the things being done in a country like, for the fourth time, New Zealand, you'd see that it would be a profession much like a nurse.

    There wouldn't be any **** spanking, doggy-styling, dirty word slinging, and certainly any man or woman that wanted to treat one of the therapists like a meat popsicle would quickly be denied an apointment.  These people wouldn't be what you picture a prostitue to be in your mind and they certainly wouldn't preform many of the lewd acts I'm sure you are imagining.  As far as the immediate attachment between people who have a physical there is no denying that it happens, but whether it is natural or not can be argued.  Codependency is classified as a problem not a good thing, and is rampant for the most part, so who's to say going to these sexual therapy appointments won't help a person deal with sex more rationally and maybe even help them have healthier relationships?  There have been enough cases where a relationship was based soley on sex and it never ends well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you pay to have sex with a woman you have never met before than she is your sexual meat popsicle. Just because you choose conventional sex doesnt make it any more degrading in the womans mind. If she claims that she doesnt find it degrading, then she can do what she likes, but I dont think the government should be supporting it for women everywhere.

    Relationships based on sex have got very little to hold them together, I'm with you on that one. Are you advocating having sex with another woman (the "therapist" which I am taking to mean the prostitute) to help with problems with the missus? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's not that simple... firstly , the (official) goal of a therapist's job is to help people , not make money. I doubt women would chose this job just to have more comfort than the average prostitute. A therapy involves a patient and a therapist , not a customer and a slave. We can assume that the patient is in dire need of sexual relations and has no decent way of have some (try to go to a nightclub with crutches) so the therapist is actually assisting people , not selling her body.

    If my daughter wanted to do that job , I would object nothing. That'd be quite a courageous choice , considering how little consideration the said therapists can have from certain persons <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Aug 29 2003, 02:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Aug 29 2003, 02:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Alright I do believe this thread is in need of some serious religious right imput. Bosnian personally I'm very disappointed that you havent leapt into the fray swinging, whacking people with Bibles and damning the prostitutes to hell <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (j/k btw)

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    Jesus loved prostitues, remember Mary Magdiline? :-p
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--alius42+Aug 29 2003, 05:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (alius42 @ Aug 29 2003, 05:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well the thing is in legalizing it and making it a much cleaner/safer I would be sure the publics view would change, at least somewhat. It would definately be less degrading because they wouldn't be on a street corner giving ten dollar bjs in an alley somewhere. They would be in a clean upkept building using contraception and being closely monitered so that things don't get out of hand. Its similar to the legalize drugs thread, people are going to do it anyway and since its mostly a moral issue the government should come in and just make it safer for all involved. Also similar to the abortion thread as well actually.

    alius <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I will say I disagree with legalizing drugs simply because that kind of stuff does do major harm.
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--::esuna::+Aug 29 2003, 06:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Aug 29 2003, 06:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyway, to take this slightly back on-topic (Since it was about the taxation of prostitution to help pay off national debt, etc.)....

    I feel that legalising prostitution is both a good and a bad idea. The good sides be the proverbial "fat cash" that brothels would recieve having lost the stigma of being illegal would benefit both the image of the prostitute and give them a little credibility over the "Scum of the Earth" image they seem to have now. Also the introduction of a prostitution permit and strict regular healthchecks would also put them in a much better light and make the whole profession seem more credible.

    On the other hand, the money that would need be pumped in to "clean up prostitution" would be a great amount and all the extra government spending for the medical checks and permits would be more money out of the governments pockets, that cannot be helping the national debt. Ontop of that the introduction of taxes and so on to a prostitutes rates would push the profession deeper underground so you'd still get illegal brothels recieving cash-in-hand, untaxed dollars. Also these "underground brothels" will bypass the official routes to become a prostitute (to avoid the taxation) so thus preventing them from the regular health checks and so on.

    This is, of course, ENTIRELY theoretical. Just my views... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, perhaps, but I was thinking of the prostitues having to pay for the check ups :-p
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Aug 29 2003, 09:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Aug 29 2003, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't condemn all the policies of the right out of hand and I don't fervantly support all the ideas of the left. I support whatever seems the best approach, taking each individual idea on it's own merits. I think Howard has done some things right, but I feel that his treatment of health services, education and foreign relations has been second rate at best. On the economic front he's fared better, although I'm oppossed to a further sale of Telstra. Next election I might vote Labor if they can get their act together, otherwise I'll try the Greens for the first time. I won't vote Liberal though for the reasons stated above.

    I was just ribbing you mate <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Heh, Green and Labor=Left
  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Renegade+Sep 1 2003, 12:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Sep 1 2003, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Correct me if I'm wrong, but prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada, correct? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Correct, but very strictly regulated. Street solicitation, for example, is still illegal.
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