<!--QuoteBegin--Inuss352+Sep 1 2003, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Inuss352 @ Sep 1 2003, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Come on, <b>we are juding art, not design. </b>
Nice shading also! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Firstly since when did design have nothing to do with art?
I'm not trying to start a flamewar its just my opinion so I don't need to "chill out." As far as i can tell you are mistaking jpeg pixelation (not a real word <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ) for shading. Where is it? The scope yes. Small amounts on the tubing and metal plates which is as far as i can see a Photoshop addition. You say that the addition of metal plates was a good choice but i beg to differ because of the following:
- The contrast in colors is way to hard on the eyes. It's almost white on black, which isn?t always bad, but it distracts from real artistic features. Acid has chosen a nice blue tonality to go with the metal concept and the background color is chosen well to emphasise the design. - They are, as you say, just space fillers that serve no purpose other than that. -They are cut up into odd chunks that disrupt the flow of the picture (sorry that sounded artsy-fartsy)
Anyway I won't bash away at it more because I'm not here to discourage I'm just presentin my opinion the best way i can. I don't mean any offense, I just want to give an honest opinion.
Since I've been critical of Owen this entire time I'll talk about Acid now.
Firstly i like the design. The area around the grip is great i like the attention to proportions and nice pixel definition. Where you loose marks is not in your choice of color but the lack of it. I like the blue hue that the gun has but a lighter and darker color here and there doesn't really make those open spaces look all too attractive. In the last 3 designs the blocks just before the fore-grip are just plain ugly and that's why I like the first entries simplicity but smooth construction. I don’t like the stock. It seems to jut out on a limb but lack the detail to hold it’s place. Luckily since most of the detail is toward the center of the gun you don’t pay as much attention to it. The edges are smooth and flow well with each other and the gun itself has a good outline but the detail inside the spaces, like I said, lacks detail. I like the color because its not too harsh and not too soft. Where you did add dots of color they were not overwhelming like a bright pink so it didn't detract much. Overall its a nice piece of art well done.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Small amounts on the tubing and metal plates which is as far as i can see a Photoshop addition.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
did u read how i did the shading using MSPAINT... allways read my friend and u'll not make urself look like a plank <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--[DRS]Lt.S.Owen+Sep 3 2003, 04:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([DRS]Lt.S.Owen @ Sep 3 2003, 04:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> did u read how i did the shading using MSPAINT... allways read my friend and u'll not make urself look like a plank <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't look like a "plank." You do for insulting me just because I?m being critical. I'm sorry if you are so childish as to flame me when I?ve done nothing more than a judge would. So how about you try and lighten up instead of looking for ways to degrade this thread further.
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A judge wouldnt say that it was a photoshop addition when the participant clearly stated that it wasnt and how it was done <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->QUOTE ([DRS]Lt.S.Owen @ Sep 3 2003, 04:45 AM) did u read how i did the shading using MSPAINT... allways read my friend and u'll not make urself look like a plank
I don't look like a "plank." You do for insulting me just because I’m being critical. I'm sorry if you are so childish as to flame me when I’ve done nothing more than a judge would. So how about you try and lighten up instead of looking for ways to degrade this thread further<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i'm not flaming... i'm insulting, theres a difference, did u see the piccy i made of how i did my shading using MSPAINT, Did u?
<!--QuoteBegin--Acid-Snake+Sep 2 2003, 07:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Acid-Snake @ Sep 2 2003, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CaL_FiN+Sep 2 2003, 09:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CaL_FiN @ Sep 2 2003, 09:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well you can't stop people posting their opinions... I see no harm in it, other than you guys taking it to heart and thinking everybody is saying you suck. Big deal somebody doesn't like it? Not everybody has to, plus most people were being critical, not trolling. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ::shrug::
u want tha job, or what? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No thanks. Maybe if the people who are in the competition respected the judges and people's opinions I would.
I'm suprised anybody would want to judge this with your attitudes.
i'm not flaming... i'm insulting, theres a difference, did u see the piccy i made of how i did my shading using MSPAINT, Did u? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yes and i also read a few posts below where someone pointed out the use of a noise tool or some such paintshop filter. It might not be in your final design but you'd be a liar if you said you never touched PS. Anyway I don't need anymore of your crap so you can reply with a nice come-back or whatever it is you like to do because to be honest i couldn't care less. It's clear to me which of you deserves to win.
CaL_FiN hit the nail on the head. This isn't a competition its an ego fest and there is way to much aggression floating around for this to be productive.
Yeah this is getting stupid...I'm getting bored now too. What happened to the copetition? And whats the point of judges now if everyone replies? Lets just do it that way <i>~shurg~</i>
ego-fest... me and snake have no probs with eachother, its u guys throwing idle accusations around... you have no proof that i used ps whereas i have plenty of proof that i used MSPAINT... so shove it
<!--QuoteBegin--Inuss352+Sep 3 2003, 02:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Inuss352 @ Sep 3 2003, 02:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah this is getting stupid... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah ok nevermind...I take it back...I quit. Please stop sending me E-mails about this, theres no point anymore. Have a nice day.
I did the same exact thing in MS Paint with the shading in my lil gun I made. Jpeg compression changes some of the pixels, no PS was used. Maybey he would have to post the original bmp to get you to beleive him?
<!--QuoteBegin--Gimpy Doodly Doo+Sep 3 2003, 05:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gimpy Doodly Doo @ Sep 3 2003, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jpeg compression changes some of the pixels, no PS was used. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not refering to his shading since i know that it's a simple thing to do with the line tool and lightening the color.
Anyway just to clarify: in PS noise also adds color to the specs that it adds. Jpeg compression does not add color. I said before that although I do not have evidence of PS in your final work that picture you posted of MSPaint shows fairly clearly the use of the noise filter.
ummm. jpg compression may not add specs, but gif does... after that u can convert back to bmp with the specks, do the stuff that doesnt need specks, then save as a jpg... and thats how enforcer was wrong ladies and gentlemen (if i was a laywer u'd be gripping ur soap about now)
ok look just to end this you are right. becaue you are brilliant. Your art is amazing i've never seen a better gun in my life. Thats what you want to hear isn't it?
Owen, stop using .gif...makes your work look like ****....use PS, and convert to .jpg at maximum quality...that way, everything looks nice....
Here's tha "HMG"
it's tha bigger brother of tha Infantry Autocannon i posted as my "LMG"...it's certainly bigger, heavier, and has greater range, accuracy, and power...it's primary roll is as a squad support weapon, but in single-shot mode, it is one of the best sniper rifles you could ever have.....
it is rigged for it's own version of the MSFS (Modular Secondary Force System)..but i won't post pics of the modules, because last time, i was accused of cheating..however, i will post it's technical diagram...the only PS manipulation was that i turned tha thing blue....it is not to be considered part of the graded art, it is simply there, so i don't hafta explain what everything is....
Secondary Force Modules consist of the RPG-launcher (Pictured), flamer unit, Plasma charge unit, shotgun unit, and non-lethal multi-use unit...
<!--QuoteBegin--coolcookiecooks+Sep 5 2003, 01:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coolcookiecooks @ Sep 5 2003, 01:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the first one of those looks a bit plain, the barrel is just an empty space. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> O,o
<!--QuoteBegin--coolcookiecooks+Sep 5 2003, 01:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coolcookiecooks @ Sep 5 2003, 01:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so, i am allowed to state my opinion to make it better. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> actually...both me and owen have stated that unless you're a judge, S-T-F-U....it's not that we don't want feedback, but we don't want tha thread turning into garbage.....though it keeps turning into a **** flamewar....
i hate to sound mean....thanks for tha opinion, but in tha future please keep it to yourself....
i think i may start a thread for competition discussion..just so this thread isn't filled with idle chatter between entries....
I dont mean to butt in, but I kinda have to, for the sake of sanity. These forums are for public use, you know? If you wanted it to be a private little venture for you, your buddies and the judges, perhaps you should have made a private forum? Or a forum someplace where only you, the judges etc can post, and just linked it from these forums.
These forums are for everyone, not just your own little adventures into paint-art <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Aside from that, the images aint bad <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Trojan+Sep 5 2003, 05:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trojan @ Sep 5 2003, 05:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont mean to butt in, but I kinda have to, for the sake of sanity. These forums are for public use, you know? If you wanted it to be a private little venture for you, your buddies and the judges, perhaps you should have made a private forum? Or a forum someplace where only you, the judges etc can post, and just linked it from these forums.
These forums are for everyone, not just your own little adventures into paint-art <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Aside from that, the images aint bad <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i can see where you're coming from, but on tha flip side, can you see where I'M coming from?
yes, these forums are for everyone, which is why we're having this competition here...because we (me and owen) are PART of "Everyone"....additionally, we set up terms for tha competition, which we expected to be respected...i don't think it's too much to ask to have a friendly public competition, and NOT have it turn into a flamewar...wouldn't you agree?
lemme put it another way....you've got a basketball game.....basketball games are public events....so what you're saying is, theoretically, if i REALLY wanted to....i could jump out on tha court, and **** with tha players, and noone would have any right to say anything to me about it?.....i'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way....
I can only speak for myself when i say that when i'm on a forum, i'd expect that people would act tha same as they do in public, in real life...so some common courtesy, respect, and common sense is being expected...i really don't think it's too much to ask.....
now then, enough with tha idle chatter...i've set up a thread specifically for conversation relating to tha competition, so that this thread doesn't fill up with all kinds of useless stuff....if you'd like to continue this conversation, then we'll pick up in there.....
err... i cant beat that. no seriously i cant... guess u win. its clear to me that while i may have the better shading abilities, acid has better ideas. but this hasnt been 4 nothing, i suggest that me and acid work 2gether on making concept art, for instance he would do the shape and colours, i would simply apply the textures and shading as my eye saw fit, while i cant speak for acid i would be grateful if he accept this offer cuz i cant think of good ideas for jack
<!--QuoteBegin--[DRS]Lt.S.Owen+Sep 5 2003, 10:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([DRS]Lt.S.Owen @ Sep 5 2003, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> err... i cant beat that. no seriously i cant... guess u win. its clear to me that while i may have the better shading abilities, acid has better ideas. but this hasnt been 4 nothing, i suggest that me and acid work 2gether on making concept art, for instance he would do the shape and colours, i would simply apply the textures and shading as my eye saw fit, while i cant speak for acid i would be grateful if he accept this offer cuz i cant think of good ideas for jack <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> aw fuk....you're droping out of tha competition?
this sucks....while annoying at times, it was fun...
yea dude, tis ok... but i'd like for u to send me gun concepts u draw in paint if u want em shaded, i just cant take any more of "ur using ps not paint, this is a paint compo not a i can use the shade tool" and things like that. anyway here's my final thought... never ever ever let the comp take priority in life, or u might end up like enforcer. now if u'll excuse me i hear my girlfriend is having her birthday party 2nite.
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6.
Ok, personally, I am gonna do my job that I called as the 4th judge, so here't goes.
Pistol: Acid, easily.
LMG: Owen, easily(the gun acid did didn't look good to begin with, so I had no desire of any addons like he had. And while metal plates may be a "space filler", at least it doesn't look empty, much like Acid's guns)
HMG: Tie. Being it was a forfeit, while acid made the HMG, Owen made it look kickass.
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Nice shading also!
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Firstly since when did design have nothing to do with art?
I'm not trying to start a flamewar its just my opinion so I don't need to "chill out." As far as i can tell you are mistaking jpeg pixelation (not a real word <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ) for shading. Where is it? The scope yes. Small amounts on the tubing and metal plates which is as far as i can see a Photoshop addition. You say that the addition of metal plates was a good choice but i beg to differ because of the following:
- The contrast in colors is way to hard on the eyes. It's almost white on black, which isn?t always bad, but it distracts from real artistic features. Acid has chosen a nice blue tonality to go with the metal concept and the background color is chosen well to emphasise the design.
- They are, as you say, just space fillers that serve no purpose other than that.
-They are cut up into odd chunks that disrupt the flow of the picture (sorry that sounded artsy-fartsy)
Anyway I won't bash away at it more because I'm not here to discourage I'm just presentin my opinion the best way i can. I don't mean any offense, I just want to give an honest opinion.
Firstly i like the design. The area around the grip is great i like the attention to proportions and nice pixel definition. Where you loose marks is not in your choice of color but the lack of it. I like the blue hue that the gun has but a lighter and darker color here and there doesn't really make those open spaces look all too attractive. In the last 3 designs the blocks just before the fore-grip are just plain ugly and that's why I like the first entries simplicity but smooth construction. I don’t like the stock. It seems to jut out on a limb but lack the detail to hold it’s place. Luckily since most of the detail is toward the center of the gun you don’t pay as much attention to it. The edges are smooth and flow well with each other and the gun itself has a good outline but the detail inside the spaces, like I said, lacks detail. I like the color because its not too harsh and not too soft. Where you did add dots of color they were not overwhelming like a bright pink so it didn't detract much. Overall its a nice piece of art well done.
did u read how i did the shading using MSPAINT... allways read my friend and u'll not make urself look like a plank <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I don't look like a "plank." You do for insulting me just because I?m being critical. I'm sorry if you are so childish as to flame me when I?ve done nothing more than a judge would. So how about you try and lighten up instead of looking for ways to degrade this thread further.
did u read how i did the shading using MSPAINT... allways read my friend and u'll not make urself look like a plank
I don't look like a "plank." You do for insulting me just because I’m being critical. I'm sorry if you are so childish as to flame me when I’ve done nothing more than a judge would. So how about you try and lighten up instead of looking for ways to degrade this thread further<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i'm not flaming... i'm insulting, theres a difference, did u see the piccy i made of how i did my shading using MSPAINT, Did u?
::shrug::
u want tha job, or what? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No thanks. Maybe if the people who are in the competition respected the judges and people's opinions I would.
I'm suprised anybody would want to judge this with your attitudes.
i'm not flaming... i'm insulting, theres a difference, did u see the piccy i made of how i did my shading using MSPAINT, Did u? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes and i also read a few posts below where someone pointed out the use of a noise tool or some such paintshop filter. It might not be in your final design but you'd be a liar if you said you never touched PS. Anyway I don't need anymore of your crap so you can reply with a nice come-back or whatever it is you like to do because to be honest i couldn't care less. It's clear to me which of you deserves to win.
CaL_FiN hit the nail on the head. This isn't a competition its an ego fest and there is way to much aggression floating around for this to be productive.
yeah ok nevermind...I take it back...I quit. Please stop sending me E-mails about this, theres no point anymore. Have a nice day.
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dorks
I'm not refering to his shading since i know that it's a simple thing to do with the line tool and lightening the color.
Anyway just to clarify: in PS noise also adds color to the specs that it adds. Jpeg compression does not add color. I said before that although I do not have evidence of PS in your final work that picture you posted of MSPaint shows fairly clearly the use of the noise filter.
(if i was a laywer u'd be gripping ur soap about now)
stop arguing...
Owen, stop using .gif...makes your work look like ****....use PS, and convert to .jpg at maximum quality...that way, everything looks nice....
Here's tha "HMG"
it's tha bigger brother of tha Infantry Autocannon i posted as my "LMG"...it's certainly bigger, heavier, and has greater range, accuracy, and power...it's primary roll is as a squad support weapon, but in single-shot mode, it is one of the best sniper rifles you could ever have.....
it is rigged for it's own version of the MSFS (Modular Secondary Force System)..but i won't post pics of the modules, because last time, i was accused of cheating..however, i will post it's technical diagram...the only PS manipulation was that i turned tha thing blue....it is not to be considered part of the graded art, it is simply there, so i don't hafta explain what everything is....
Secondary Force Modules consist of the RPG-launcher (Pictured), flamer unit, Plasma charge unit, shotgun unit, and non-lethal multi-use unit...
Owen..i believe you are up....
O,o
...ur not a judge....
actually...both me and owen have stated that unless you're a judge, S-T-F-U....it's not that we don't want feedback, but we don't want tha thread turning into garbage.....though it keeps turning into a **** flamewar....
i hate to sound mean....thanks for tha opinion, but in tha future please keep it to yourself....
i think i may start a thread for competition discussion..just so this thread isn't filled with idle chatter between entries....
These forums are for everyone, not just your own little adventures into paint-art <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Aside from that, the images aint bad <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
These forums are for everyone, not just your own little adventures into paint-art <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Aside from that, the images aint bad <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i can see where you're coming from, but on tha flip side, can you see where I'M coming from?
yes, these forums are for everyone, which is why we're having this competition here...because we (me and owen) are PART of "Everyone"....additionally, we set up terms for tha competition, which we expected to be respected...i don't think it's too much to ask to have a friendly public competition, and NOT have it turn into a flamewar...wouldn't you agree?
lemme put it another way....you've got a basketball game.....basketball games are public events....so what you're saying is, theoretically, if i REALLY wanted to....i could jump out on tha court, and **** with tha players, and noone would have any right to say anything to me about it?.....i'm sorry, it just doesn't work that way....
I can only speak for myself when i say that when i'm on a forum, i'd expect that people would act tha same as they do in public, in real life...so some common courtesy, respect, and common sense is being expected...i really don't think it's too much to ask.....
now then, enough with tha idle chatter...i've set up a thread specifically for conversation relating to tha competition, so that this thread doesn't fill up with all kinds of useless stuff....if you'd like to continue this conversation, then we'll pick up in there.....
aw fuk....you're droping out of tha competition?
this sucks....while annoying at times, it was fun...
sure you wanna do this?
Ok, personally, I am gonna do my job that I called as the 4th judge, so here't goes.
Pistol: Acid, easily.
LMG: Owen, easily(the gun acid did didn't look good to begin with, so I had no desire of any addons like he had. And while metal plates may be a "space filler", at least it doesn't look empty, much like Acid's guns)
HMG: Tie. Being it was a forfeit, while acid made the HMG, Owen made it look kickass.
MMhmm.