AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
It's this kinda stuff that makes me wonder how many times they've tried this before but they just didn't have the tech. Probly a bunch.
And think of when we become even MORE advanced. Nano-machines and so-forth. There's a big stink about camera's at intersections, well they can make people stop yelling about it by simply installing camera's to small to be seen. And why would they stop there? There's a HUGE acountability gap here, and things are NOT looking good for everyone's favorite republic.
moultanoCreator of ns_shiva.Join Date: 2002-12-14Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Aug 6 2003, 02:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Aug 6 2003, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--moultano+Aug 6 2003, 06:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Aug 6 2003, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I may not be reading this right, but it seems like all this is doing is replacing research done by police with research done by computers (which are much more efficient at it). I don't believe there is any law, (or any accepted human right for that matter) that prevents someone from acquiring all the public information that they possibly can and putting it in a database. It is <b>public</b> information after all. Its just getting rid of inefficiencies in the law enforcement system. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, there's a lot of reasons against this, beginning with your privacy rights. We are <i>not</i> talking about public information here. Police files are bound to strict terms of use, as is any other kind of official file about a person. Even the swapping of informations between different departments may only happen under certain guidelines. Matrix takes these informations, throws them in one pot, and <i>adds</i> booklists, credit card bills, adware informations, commercial cookies, and so on and so on. <i>None</i> of these sources of information are public, some of them are barely legal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Is there a list of the specific types of information that they will be putting in the database anywhere? It would help this discussion a lot. Again, so long as we are informed whenever something that we are doing will be public information, I don't really have a problem with it. I would think that credit card companies would be required to document this in the privacy agreement section of their contract with the card holder. While this data has never before been gathered en masse, there is nothing that prevents a police officer from interviewing a store clerk to find out what you bought. They don't need a warrant to do that, just curiosity. This just makes the same process more automated and widespread.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Aug 6 2003, 02:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Aug 6 2003, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The Patriot Act is by far not limited to online crimes, it is being applied to any kind of terroristic planning (a tem not sufficiently juristically defined). It allows for a by <i>far</i> bigger amount of measures than you assume in this post; basically, its propagated purpose was to give the government (again, <i>the government</i>) the abilities to search, find, and prosecute any kind of terroristic movement aimed loosely against the United States or its goals as swift as possible. Even this very propagandistic description assigns a by far bigger range of powers than yours. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Quick thing about your references to trials, yes trials of this nature are grounded in constitutional rights and wrongs but in my post I was referring to an instance if you happened to shoot goverment officials who were on your property under the guises of the Patriot Act. In that trial as soon as it would be established that you are not a terrorist nor were you planning terrorist acts it would be treated like a normal murder trial wherein the prosecution would have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you commited an unlawful act. Since as soon as you are established as not being a terrorist they no longer have the grounds for being on your property and since they were most likely armed, perhaps didn't show identification, and you have a right to defend yourself in your home if you feel threatened, I don't think you'd be found guilty.
On to the main point. Yes the Patriot Act encompasses all areas of communication, information pools, and anything else the goverment deems of interest, but none the less this should not affect any individual directcly that is not participating in terrorist activites. However that is why in my previous post I included the in THEORY part, since this can very easily be, and will be, misused to violoate the rights of lawful citizens and that is why it is a temporary measure strikable any time by the voting power of people who deem it no longer neccessary. Do I think it's a good idea personally? No, but I do think it can be used for its purpose because we can't honestly deny anymore that there isn't a need for serious anti-terror actions. I'm not going to open up an old can of worms, but there were serious issues with the FBI acting upon intelligence they had because it would have been a violation of civil liberties which lead to certain events, this is just a insurance measure towards not letting that happen again, and will hopefully (I doubt it) be treated that way by our goverment.
Keep in mind people that if you are reading about this on a gaming forum it is very very public knowledge, if they were going to violate your rights to any real degree they wouldn't be letting you read the details before hand.
Germany is strange....espicially those on the german lessons tapes :O
no offense Nem0 or other of teh Evil scientist Race.... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
AllUrHive dont expect Nano machines to happen anytime soon, so far they can't really do anything really usefull with it... and get that old sig back, those eye brows pwned D:
If any Americans want to take refuge in Canada, send me a PM. I'll shelter you until you can get a job and your own place.. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b>Edit2:</b> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> AllUrHive dont expect Nano machines to happen anytime soon, so far they can't really do anything really usefull with it... and get that old sig back, those eye brows pwned D: <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Pshh. Sumomo > Eyebrows.
I don't see why people are making such a fuss over THIS anyway, if for any reason you should leave the US it's because of their ridiculous positions on censorship, drugs, marriage, prostitution, education, etc. They seem to feel they have an unalienable right to tell you what to do with yourself, oh well, I'll just make my money here and enjoy it in Europe : )
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Dirty Harry Potter+Aug 6 2003, 02:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dirty Harry Potter @ Aug 6 2003, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> AllUrHive dont expect Nano machines to happen anytime soon, so far they can't really do anything really usefull with it... and get that old sig back, those eye brows pwned D: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well it was just kind of a what if situaution to illustrate that as technology advances, so will the ability of the government (which has the most access to said technology) to misuse it.
And I know the eyebrows pwned, but one day during an extremely high-traffic day on the forums the eyebrows moved to fast and went flying out of a monitor of some random NSer in southern California. So a substitute was found.
I dunno what is worse. I mean Canada is so damn cold, and I'd be in the same country as Comprox. Australia has horrible ISPs. And if I stay here well then I'll just be screwed. Oh wait, I'm not planning a terrorist attack on the United States...
SpoogeThunderbolt missile in your cheeriosJoin Date: 2002-01-25Member: 67Members
It is kind of amusing how people can get so worked up over a non-profit, non-governmental group tries to service law enforcement with a streamlined network for sharing information that they already share, but they glue their eyes to the television every time the "news" digs up some dirt on anyone "famous". Sorry to burst your bubble, but cops don't really give a *bleep* about you unless you're breaking the law. Not to mention the fact that you still have due process in the courts. blah blah blah Patriot Act blah blah blah. How many times have we covered this without any new information or complete meltdown of the Constitution.
If you really want to be concerned, how about worrying over the use of <a href='http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/7/232631' target='_blank'>Non-Constitutional precedents to settle a U.S. Supreme Court ruling</a>. Pretty soon you won't have to run willy-nilly to other countries. The courts will bring their laws to you.
<!--QuoteBegin--Spooge+Aug 6 2003, 03:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spooge @ Aug 6 2003, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It is kind of amusing how people can get so worked up over a non-profit, non-governmental group tries to service law enforcement with a streamlined network for sharing information that they already share, but they glue their eyes to the television every time the "news" digs up some dirt on anyone "famous". Sorry to burst your bubble, but cops don't really give a *bleep* about you unless you're breaking the law. Not to mention the fact that you still have due process in the courts. blah blah blah Patriot Act blah blah blah. How many times have we covered this without any new information or complete meltdown of the Constitution.
If you really want to be concerned, how about worrying over the use of <a href='http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/7/232631' target='_blank'>Non-Constitutional precedents to settle a U.S. Supreme Court ruling</a>. Pretty soon you won't have to run willy-nilly to other countries. The courts will bring their laws to you.
Have a nice day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Pretty much what I've been saying except more condecending, mean, and flamey. Thank you. : P
As far as that article goes I think it's hard to win a court case like that using constitutional precedents conisdering sodomy wasn't really a very big political issue in the 1700's.
<!--QuoteBegin--Spooge+Aug 6 2003, 03:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spooge @ Aug 6 2003, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It is kind of amusing how people can get so worked up over a non-profit, non-governmental group tries to service law enforcement with a streamlined network for sharing information that they already share, but they glue their eyes to the television every time the "news" digs up some dirt on anyone "famous". Sorry to burst your bubble, but cops don't really give a *bleep* about you unless you're breaking the law. Not to mention the fact that you still have due process in the courts. blah blah blah Patriot Act blah blah blah. How many times have we covered this without any new information or complete meltdown of the Constitution.
If you really want to be concerned, how about worrying over the use of <a href='http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/7/232631' target='_blank'>Non-Constitutional precedents to settle a U.S. Supreme Court ruling</a>. Pretty soon you won't have to run willy-nilly to other countries. The courts will bring their laws to you.
Have a nice day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Man, that's great that you know my habits so intimately. You know, seeing as you said that I glue my eyes to the TV all the time to watch the media dig up dirt on famous people.
Abuse of power happens all the time - take J. Edgar Hoover for instance. He got FBI agents to take incriminating photos of a man with a woman who wasn't his wife, just so the wife had some leverage to get a new coat. Putting information like this into the public domain is begging, pleading for it to be horribly abused, especially if and when someone cracks the database. Saying that law enforcement already shares this kind of information is ridiculously untrue, and making vague insulting generalities really isn't helping your case at all.
SpoogeThunderbolt missile in your cheeriosJoin Date: 2002-01-25Member: 67Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Aug 6 2003, 05:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Aug 6 2003, 05:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Abuse of power happens all the time - take J. Edgar Hoover for instance. He got FBI agents to take incriminating photos of a man with a woman who wasn't his wife, just so the wife had some leverage to get a new coat. Putting information like this into the public domain is begging, pleading for it to be horribly abused, especially if and when someone cracks the database. Saying that law enforcement already shares this kind of information is ridiculously untrue, and making vague insulting generalities really isn't helping your case at all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Did the guy go to jail?
And, exactly what information are YOU talking about? I've searched everywhere I can think of and the only "kind of information" being sent between law enforcement offices (which is what this program is for) is data they already have stored but don't have a timely, efficient way of sharing:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"a pilot effort to increase and enhance the exchange of sensitive terrorism and other criminal activity information between local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Find me the source that tells the police what color underwear I have on then this will be important.
<!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Aug 7 2003, 08:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Aug 7 2003, 08:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> take J. Edgar Hoover for instance. He got FBI agents to take incriminating photos of a man with a woman who wasn't his wife, just so the wife had some leverage to get a new coat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wait your head of the FBI and you can't afford a fur coat....
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh wait, it's another worthless thinktank that accomplishes nothing and never amounts to anything and generates a lot of conspiracy theories by internet teens.
Well, Canada might be a nice place to live, but Europe is warmer, although if i stay on this continent i could possibly visit my family ... Oh its such a hard decision.
The only thing i dont like is how the people have no say in the lawmaking in the USA. we're so free and democratic that the average guy has no idea what goes on in the federal govt and doesnt even vote on it. we vote for senators who all promise to do whats right for us, then go off and do whatever their big corporate sponsors want them to. I'm not hollering conspiracy or anarcy, because thats the way its always been and it seems to work out that way.
Its just the way they call this a state level thing, when its not. Take the drunken driving laws for example. In Wisconsin the limit used to be 0.12, which is about four beers i think, and the state changed it to 0.10 to make things safer. a few years back the federal government decided that 0.08 was better, and told the states to change or they would withold several hundred million dollars in interstate funding. Guess what, our (wisconsonian) senators didnt have a choice, and we did as the guys in washington told us to do, changed the law. (this example might not be too horrifying, but it is the same sort of thing that is happening with MATRIX and could possibly be happening all over all the time)
<!--QuoteBegin--Infinitum+Aug 6 2003, 10:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Aug 6 2003, 10:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *waves at the Americans from Australia* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *waves at the americans from Canada*
Hmmm...maybe living in Nevada <i>ISN'T</i> so bad..... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I HOPE ALL YOU OTHER STATES GET MATRIXIZED!!!! jk
Damn j00 government....But i'd rather live here in America than anywhere else, so I dont care. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b>As long as I have a Misfits CD to listen to, and a lawn chair, I don't give a damn what my country does.</b> <--- Thats the moral of all the crap that I wrote above....Well maybe some NS with my lawnchair...AND A PLUSH GORGIE!!@$$@!ONE EIGHT!@SE7EN!@
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Aug 6 2003, 10:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Aug 6 2003, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I usually refrain from posting serious topics, but this is just too unreal not to mention it:
As most of you know, the 'Total Information Awareness' program didn't pass the US senate (IMAO further prove for the existence of a benevolent deity) - but it is replaced with a new project initiated by single states. Its name is a testimony to Mark Twains remark that "fiction has to stick to possibilities. Reality does not.": <a href='http://www.iir.com/matrix/' target='_blank'>The Matrix.</a>
Basically, the participating states create a databank in which they pour not only police files, official data, and similiar files about their citizens, but also as many comercially available informations as possible. In the end, every possible information about <i>everyone</i> (as opposed to 'criminal', or even 'suspect') within the US borders is supposed to be put in there. The proclaimed final aim is the absolutely transparent citizen, of course for the 'defense against terrorism', although application in other areas, such as conventional juristication, and in other ministries, is also possible and tested...
"As long as the Matrix exists, humanity will never be free." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well the way I see it, one of these days, some stupid countries are going to go to war and end up having a nuclear war which will lead to a nuclear winter and all of us will end up dieing.... . . . . <u>So sit back, grab a ciggarette, put on a pair of glasses, and relax.</u>
I think it's sad how all you americans want to just "flee to Canada," or move to some other country because of this (even if you are just joking). For school we had to go to a "Big Brother Technologies" seminar, which was basically a 3 hour talk on how little privacy we have in the U.S. Hearing things like this can be nerve racking but there are good things that come out of this stuff.... there has to be, or else they wouldn't have those kinda data banks. I mean this kinda crap the government pulls can be pretty damn scarry and intimidating but still, the U.S. is still a rockin' place to live. Be proud of where you're from. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--NSPlayaGirl+Aug 7 2003, 12:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NSPlayaGirl @ Aug 7 2003, 12:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think it's sad how all you americans want to just "flee to Canada," or move to some other country because of this (even if you are just joking). For school we had to go to a "Big Brother Technologies" seminar, which was basically a 3 hour talk on how little privacy we have in the U.S. Hearing things like this can be nerve racking but there are good things that come out of this stuff.... there has to be, or else they wouldn't have those kinda data banks. I mean this kinda crap the government pulls can be pretty damn scarry and intimidating but still, the U.S. is still a rockin' place to live. Be proud of where you're from. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
--Jane <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> damn straight. you just say it in a more positive manner than i do. and less b*tchy.
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And think of when we become even MORE advanced. Nano-machines and so-forth. There's a big stink about camera's at intersections, well they can make people stop yelling about it by simply installing camera's to small to be seen. And why would they stop there? There's a HUGE acountability gap here, and things are NOT looking good for everyone's favorite republic.
Well, there's a lot of reasons against this, beginning with your privacy rights. We are <i>not</i> talking about public information here. Police files are bound to strict terms of use, as is any other kind of official file about a person. Even the swapping of informations between different departments may only happen under certain guidelines.
Matrix takes these informations, throws them in one pot, and <i>adds</i> booklists, credit card bills, adware informations, commercial cookies, and so on and so on. <i>None</i> of these sources of information are public, some of them are barely legal.
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Is there a list of the specific types of information that they will be putting in the database anywhere? It would help this discussion a lot. Again, so long as we are informed whenever something that we are doing will be public information, I don't really have a problem with it. I would think that credit card companies would be required to document this in the privacy agreement section of their contract with the card holder. While this data has never before been gathered en masse, there is nothing that prevents a police officer from interviewing a store clerk to find out what you bought. They don't need a warrant to do that, just curiosity. This just makes the same process more automated and widespread.
The Patriot Act is by far not limited to online crimes, it is being applied to any kind of terroristic planning (a tem not sufficiently juristically defined). It allows for a by <i>far</i> bigger amount of measures than you assume in this post; basically, its propagated purpose was to give the government (again, <i>the government</i>) the abilities to search, find, and prosecute any kind of terroristic movement aimed loosely against the United States or its goals as swift as possible. Even this very propagandistic description assigns a by far bigger range of powers than yours. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quick thing about your references to trials, yes trials of this nature are grounded in constitutional rights and wrongs but in my post I was referring to an instance if you happened to shoot goverment officials who were on your property under the guises of the Patriot Act. In that trial as soon as it would be established that you are not a terrorist nor were you planning terrorist acts it would be treated like a normal murder trial wherein the prosecution would have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you commited an unlawful act. Since as soon as you are established as not being a terrorist they no longer have the grounds for being on your property and since they were most likely armed, perhaps didn't show identification, and you have a right to defend yourself in your home if you feel threatened, I don't think you'd be found guilty.
On to the main point. Yes the Patriot Act encompasses all areas of communication, information pools, and anything else the goverment deems of interest, but none the less this should not affect any individual directcly that is not participating in terrorist activites. However that is why in my previous post I included the in THEORY part, since this can very easily be, and will be, misused to violoate the rights of lawful citizens and that is why it is a temporary measure strikable any time by the voting power of people who deem it no longer neccessary. Do I think it's a good idea personally? No, but I do think it can be used for its purpose because we can't honestly deny anymore that there isn't a need for serious anti-terror actions. I'm not going to open up an old can of worms, but there were serious issues with the FBI acting upon intelligence they had because it would have been a violation of civil liberties which lead to certain events, this is just a insurance measure towards not letting that happen again, and will hopefully (I doubt it) be treated that way by our goverment.
Keep in mind people that if you are reading about this on a gaming forum it is very very public knowledge, if they were going to violate your rights to any real degree they wouldn't be letting you read the details before hand.
no offense Nem0 or other of teh Evil scientist Race.... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
AllUrHive dont expect Nano machines to happen anytime soon, so far they can't really do anything really usefull with it... and get that old sig back, those eye brows pwned D:
<b>Edit:</b> Woo! 900 posts. Hooray. Yeah... Whatever.
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AllUrHive dont expect Nano machines to happen anytime soon, so far they can't really do anything really usefull with it... and get that old sig back, those eye brows pwned D:
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Pshh. Sumomo > Eyebrows.
Well it was just kind of a what if situaution to illustrate that as technology advances, so will the ability of the government (which has the most access to said technology) to misuse it.
And I know the eyebrows pwned, but one day during an extremely high-traffic day on the forums the eyebrows moved to fast and went flying out of a monitor of some random NSer in southern California. So a substitute was found.
And besides, Sumomo are god.
I dunno what is worse. I mean Canada is so damn cold, and I'd be in the same country as Comprox. Australia has horrible ISPs. And if I stay here well then I'll just be screwed. Oh wait, I'm not planning a terrorist attack on the United States...
If you really want to be concerned, how about worrying over the use of <a href='http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/7/232631' target='_blank'>Non-Constitutional precedents to settle a U.S. Supreme Court ruling</a>. Pretty soon you won't have to run willy-nilly to other countries. The courts will bring their laws to you.
Have a nice day.
If you really want to be concerned, how about worrying over the use of <a href='http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/7/232631' target='_blank'>Non-Constitutional precedents to settle a U.S. Supreme Court ruling</a>. Pretty soon you won't have to run willy-nilly to other countries. The courts will bring their laws to you.
Have a nice day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pretty much what I've been saying except more condecending, mean, and flamey. Thank you. : P
As far as that article goes I think it's hard to win a court case like that using constitutional precedents conisdering sodomy wasn't really a very big political issue in the 1700's.
Lots of little islands to hide on, hills, mountain.
*Waves From Scotland*
If you really want to be concerned, how about worrying over the use of <a href='http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/7/232631' target='_blank'>Non-Constitutional precedents to settle a U.S. Supreme Court ruling</a>. Pretty soon you won't have to run willy-nilly to other countries. The courts will bring their laws to you.
Have a nice day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Man, that's great that you know my habits so intimately. You know, seeing as you said that I glue my eyes to the TV all the time to watch the media dig up dirt on famous people.
Abuse of power happens all the time - take J. Edgar Hoover for instance. He got FBI agents to take incriminating photos of a man with a woman who wasn't his wife, just so the wife had some leverage to get a new coat. Putting information like this into the public domain is begging, pleading for it to be horribly abused, especially if and when someone cracks the database. Saying that law enforcement already shares this kind of information is ridiculously untrue, and making vague insulting generalities really isn't helping your case at all.
Did the guy go to jail?
And, exactly what information are YOU talking about? I've searched everywhere I can think of and the only "kind of information" being sent between law enforcement offices (which is what this program is for) is data they already have stored but don't have a timely, efficient way of sharing:
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Find me the source that tells the police what color underwear I have on then this will be important.
Wait your head of the FBI and you can't afford a fur coat....
Oh wait, it's another worthless thinktank that accomplishes nothing and never amounts to anything and generates a lot of conspiracy theories by internet teens.
/me twirls finger in the air and goes 'whoop'.
^^^
The only thing i dont like is how the people have no say in the lawmaking in the USA. we're so free and democratic that the average guy has no idea what goes on in the federal govt and doesnt even vote on it. we vote for senators who all promise to do whats right for us, then go off and do whatever their big corporate sponsors want them to. I'm not hollering conspiracy or anarcy, because thats the way its always been and it seems to work out that way.
Its just the way they call this a state level thing, when its not. Take the drunken driving laws for example. In Wisconsin the limit used to be 0.12, which is about four beers i think, and the state changed it to 0.10 to make things safer. a few years back the federal government decided that 0.08 was better, and told the states to change or they would withold several hundred million dollars in interstate funding. Guess what, our (wisconsonian) senators didnt have a choice, and we did as the guys in washington told us to do, changed the law. (this example might not be too horrifying, but it is the same sort of thing that is happening with MATRIX and could possibly be happening all over all the time)
*waves at the americans from Canada*
Yea, hurray leftist propagandha!
Sorry we can't ALL be Communists!
I HOPE ALL YOU OTHER STATES GET MATRIXIZED!!!! jk
Damn j00 government....But i'd rather live here in America than anywhere else, so I dont care. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b>As long as I have a Misfits CD to listen to, and a lawn chair, I don't give a damn what my country does.</b> <--- Thats the moral of all the crap that I wrote above....Well maybe some NS with my lawnchair...AND A PLUSH GORGIE!!@$$@!ONE EIGHT!@SE7EN!@
As most of you know, the 'Total Information Awareness' program didn't pass the US senate (IMAO further prove for the existence of a benevolent deity) - but it is replaced with a new project initiated by single states. Its name is a testimony to Mark Twains remark that "fiction has to stick to possibilities. Reality does not.": <a href='http://www.iir.com/matrix/' target='_blank'>The Matrix.</a>
Basically, the participating states create a databank in which they pour not only police files, official data, and similiar files about their citizens, but also as many comercially available informations as possible. In the end, every possible information about <i>everyone</i> (as opposed to 'criminal', or even 'suspect') within the US borders is supposed to be put in there. The proclaimed final aim is the absolutely transparent citizen, of course for the 'defense against terrorism', although application in other areas, such as conventional juristication, and in other ministries, is also possible and tested...
"As long as the Matrix exists, humanity will never be free." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well the way I see it, one of these days, some stupid countries are going to go to war and end up having a nuclear war which will lead to a nuclear winter and all of us will end up dieing....
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<u>So sit back, grab a ciggarette, put on a pair of glasses, and relax.</u>
[edit] sorry about the double post [/edit]
--Jane
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damn straight. you just say it in a more positive manner than i do. and less b*tchy.