You Don't Know Squat.
CForrester
P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Yes, you. Me too. This is not an insult.</div> <b>EDIT:</b>
It seems that this thread has gotten way out of hand. I've removed my original post. I'm NOT checking this thread anymore, and I will not respond to any insults/attempted debates about it.
However, if you're still interested in the article, you can <a href='http://www.otherkin.net/harmonyDiscord/rants/squat.html' target='_blank'>click here</a> to read it.
It seems that this thread has gotten way out of hand. I've removed my original post. I'm NOT checking this thread anymore, and I will not respond to any insults/attempted debates about it.
However, if you're still interested in the article, you can <a href='http://www.otherkin.net/harmonyDiscord/rants/squat.html' target='_blank'>click here</a> to read it.
Comments
You can be aware of what you do know, and you can be aware of your ignorance. And that's all you need.
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just because you don't believe in what he believes in doesn't make him crazy. He's an OtherKin. I know a few. Go to the root site of that article and learn.
Agreed.
I was like...reads a couple of sentences..."Yeah, Ok"...reads some more..."maybe, from a certain point of view"...I'm an elf...blinks..."Eh, WTH ?"
Oh, I love paradoxes.
I always lie ... prove it
I can't. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I read the passage fully this time, and frankly it's rather rambling and it doesn't really manage to reach any sort of conclusion or point. It states that no-one knows squat, yet it doesn't manage to come up with anything supporting this theory. There's nothing in that passage to back up his/her hypothesis that no-one knows squat, nothing to help people <i>believe</i> this. At least, that's how it seems to me.
When he/she tells me to "find my own truth" I'm hard pressed to do so. I find it difficult to believe that there is one single truth to define me as a human or a being or an entity, or whatever you want to call a person. I'm more convinced that it's many little truths, that if someone seems to have a single truth to define a person, they have inevitably left something out.
And of course, to return to the paradox I mentioned before: He says that no-one knows squat. But isn't that technically knowing something?
Just as a sidenote, I think they could do with changing the colour scheme on their site. It (to me, at least) has the effect of causing the eyes to skitter away from the text and focus on something else.
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just because you don't believe in what he believes in doesn't make him crazy. He's an OtherKin. I know a few. Go to the root site of that article and learn. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I did just that, and found this. <a href='http://www.otherkin.net/otherkin/what.html' target='_blank'>Explanation</a>
It's interesting. After reading that, I found the words I choose to respond to the original topic extremely funny. I'd really like to see one of these people argue that they are a different species than the rest of us on a scientific basis. It'd be entertaining. I'm not trying to be harsh, but I understand the need for escapism, for god's sake, I'm a computer gamer. But I don't think I'm in the TSA, and I certainly don't think I'm one of the Kharaa. This strikes me like somebody running around attempting to cling on walls and spit on people to report their locations to the hives sight.
I know it's not any skin off my nose, but these people need to face the facts. They are human, and deciding that they are elves isn't going to make them any different than the rest of us.
[Like I said before, I did find the idea of knowing nothing interesting. I'd personally consider myself as knowing next-to-nothing, but that's just me. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ]
The concept is what made me post, i've considered for a long while the fact that everything we "know" we have been told by teachers, our peers, the media and even books we read are written by somebody else. Everything we think we know has simply been told to us by somebody else in one way or another, <i>so how do we know its right, correct or even true</i>. The only things we can say we "know" are those things that we can sense ourselves, and even the definitions of what we sense have been laid down to us by others....
Just a pity that article was utter crapola...
*blinks*
This person seems to be rather...strange. If he states that he "doesn't know squat", a bit impressive that he should be attempting to share it. "I don't know squat"..."You don't know squat"..."Because I said so"...This is most likely the rant of some hippee who wants to rule the world from his backyard trailer park smoking weed while rocking in his rocking chair.
Absolute...PETA/Animal Rights/Pacifist...brainwashing...that is...equivalent to...believing cows rule the world.
...
Wait, scratch that. People in India believe that, but then again their continent is being sucked into the Himilayas...So, instead its equvalent to think that a Zoo is a imprisonment of animals, but a WildLife Preserve in a caged in area isn't a imprisonment.
The concept is what made me post, i've considered for a long while the fact that everything we "know" we have been told by teachers, our peers, the media and even books we read are written by somebody else. Everything we think we know has simply been told to us by somebody else in one way or another, <i>so how do we know its right, correct or even true</i>. The only things we can say we "know" are those things that we can sense ourselves, and even the definitions of what we sense have been laid down to us by others....
Just a pity that article was utter crapola... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you truly believe that the only things that you know are true are those learned by yourself? Think about what that means. That means that every new invention in this world can only be used by the person who discovered it, since everyone else doesn't believe it is really true until they've discovered it for themselves. No advancement in technology, because every scientist in the world believes only what he or she has found to be true. Also, every one of those scientists will still be trapped back in the thought processes of those who lived hundreds of years ago, since they have to learn the theories and facts of basic science before moving on.
Do you see where this would go? We pass our knowledge to our descendants so that they don't have to waste their time learning about what we discovered. It gives them the opportunity to grow, to advance beyond what we ourselves learned. This is the only way for humans to grow. Otherwise, we would be no better than those who came before us. The search to better is something that drives most people. Mediocrity may entice certain people - such as this elf - but for me, I prefer to grow.
I am not personally attacking you. You are allowed to have your own opinion.
That is my point.
[edit] missed a word..lol [/edit]
This is the reason I hate philosophy sometimes. "The only thing I know is that I know nothing. Why? I dunno." Not only is this not a new idea in the least, it's also one of the most eliteist and frankly ignorant positions one can take. The writer dispenses his knowledge (which is the only knowledge that one can have) from a position far above the reader, who is both stupid and ignorant of his own stupidity. How much more pompous can you get?
I always lie ... prove it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well saying you always lie.. is a lie if it is truth...
because... your being honest about your lying and that is the truth so your not ALWAYS lying...
I was driving on the freeway in the fast lane
With a rabid wolverine in my underwear
When suddenly a guy behind me in the back seat
Popped right up and cupped his hands across my eyes
I guessed, "Is it Uncle Frank or Cousin Louie?"
"Is it Bob or Joe or Walter?"
"Could it be Bill or Jim or Ed or Bernie or Steve?"
I probably would have kept on guessing
But about that time we crashed into the truck
And as I'm laying bleeding there on the asphalt
Finally I recognize the face of my hibachi dealer
Who takes off his prosthetic lips and tells me
Everything you know is wrong
Black is white, up is down and short is long
And everything you thought was just so
Important doesn't matter
Everything you know is wrong
Just forget the words and sing along
All you need to understand is
Everything you know is wrong
I was walkin' to the kitchen for some Golden Grahams
When I accidentally stepped into an alternate dimension
And soon I was abducted by some aliens from space
Who kinda looked like Jamie Farr
They sucked out my internal organs
And they took some polaroids
And said I was a darn good sport
And as a way of saying thank you
They offered to transport me back to
Any point in history that I would care to go
And so I had them send me back to last Thursday night
So I could pay my phone bill on time
Just then the floating disembodied head of
Colonel Sanders started yelling
Everything you know is wrong
Black is white, up is down and short is long
And everything you thought was just so
Important doesn't matter
Everything you know is wrong
Just forget the words and sing along
All you need to understand is
Everything you know is wrong
I was just about to mail a letter to my evil twin
When I got a nasty papercut
And, well, to make a long story short
It got infected and I died
So now I'm up in heaven with St. Peter
By the pearly gates
And it's obvious he doesn't like
The Nehru jacket that I'm wearing
He tells me that they've got a dress code
Well, he lets me into heaven anyway
But I get the room next to the noisy ice machine
For all eternity
And every day he runs by screaming
Everything you know is wrong
Black is white, up is down and short is long
And everything you used to think was so important
Doesn't really matter anymore
Because the simple fact remains that
Everything you know is wrong
Just forget the words and sing along
All you need to understand is
Everything you know is wrong
Everything you know is wrong<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
**backs away slowly from this thread then runs and doesnt look back**
I agree with the post about people teaching us stuff: How do we know it's right? a few hundred yeras ago, people <b>knew</b> the earth was flat. Anyone who said otherwise was a bufoon. What will we <b>know</b> in a few years? (omg, sorry Men In Black!).
I personaly consider myself an educated idiot. I know a lot, but i'm not a genius (yet, watch this space folks!), and i know the one truth about learning:
The only real thing you learn, is that there is so much more to learn. (thank you Sir Issac Newton).
Anyway, If he knows Squat, how does he <b>know</b> that i know squat, if he doesn't know anything either? and for that matter, how does he know he knows squat? If he knows that, then he obviously knows something.
Feel that? That's your brain exploding
And actually, we leave them alone. We don't call them or mail them to tell them how stupid we think they are. CForrester posted this here because he wanted feedback, I believe. As long as we don't flame the guy who wrote the piece with burning eMails of hatred, I see no harm done.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Otherkin: RPers on weed and with serious anti-social tendancies and who want very badly to be anarchists.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Interesting till he started sounding like he'd spent a few too many nights huddled over a D&D board.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What a complete load of utter inchoherent garbage, and this concept of otherkins is completely stupid aswell.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
which are attacks on the person (ok, not mad attacks, but you get what i mean) and the last one is an attack on an entire group of people. Anyway, we don't wanna get dragged down into a flame war here, do we? No! of course not!
People <b>knew</b> the earth was flat because of their observations (ok, so i got the time wrong, maybe more than a few hundred years ago, i dunno). We <b>know</b> the earth is round/spherical because of our observations, but what if someone comes along and shows us a way to see into the time dimension? what would earth be then, no longer a 3D sphere, but a 4D stickmanahedron? (named after it's discoverer, of course <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->).
Anyway, back to the topic. We know what we know, and we know it because we do, and we learnt it because we were forced to in early years, and then grew up to realise you probably wouldn't have a good life with no education.
Also, an Otherkin is not just BELIEVING that you're a different species, it's having actual memories of it. Call them crazy, but you'd have to call me crazy, too. I don't believe in the same things as you. Does that make me crazy? By the logic in this topic, it sure does. They believe they aren't fully human. That's a different belief from you. Who are you to tell them that they're wrong? You don't know for sure. You're all blind. So am I. Maybe they're all a bunch of liars? Maybe they're absolutely correct? You don't know for sure, and neither do I. If you call them crazy because their beliefs are different, you might as well be persecuting other religions that are not your own. That's all I'm going to say on the subject....
<b>*sighs* I should have known... Posting this in a game forum was a bad idea... Out of all of the replies here, I can safely say that maybe only one of you understood the actual MEANING behind the article. Can a moderator lock this, please?</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We couldn't understand the meaning because it was badly written. Not to mention the fact that the writer determines that everyone is stupid.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Also, an Otherkin is not just BELIEVING that you're a different species, it's having actual memories of it. Call them crazy, but you'd have to call me crazy, too. I don't believe in the same things as you. Does that make me crazy? By the logic in this topic, it sure does.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People are allowed to have their own opinions. If their opinion is that everyone else is crazy - they can. If this writer can say that every person in the world knows absolutely nothing, then everyone else can think that the writer is insane.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>They believe they aren't fully human.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whoa... wait. You just said that they didn't believe they were a different species. If they're not human, then they are a different species!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>That's a different belief from you. Who are you to tell them that they're wrong? You don't know for sure. You're all blind. So am I. Maybe they're all a bunch of liars? Maybe they're absolutely correct? You don't know for sure, and neither do I. If you call them crazy because their beliefs are different, you might as well be persecuting other religions that are not your own. That's all I'm going to say on the subject....</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wait... they can call me stupid, but I can't call them crazy? I mean, come on... what did you want us to do? Say "You're right... we <b>are</b> all stupid"?!
Aye. It's simplest to stick with that and leave well enough alone. It's what I do.