Enough With The Cd Crap
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Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12747Members
Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12747Members
Nobody has an aimbot, Ive never suspected it in all the NS games Ive played not even once. Then with the wall hacking is pretty pointless since its built into the game. What else does this CD cover? Pistol script? baha duh. Get a life, give people some credit. If you see them, kick them freaking vote them off big deal. Theres what maybe 1 in 500 that will try to cheat. Im not running some trojan horse **** just to play this. What is CD, I dont really know all I know is its a backdoor program and you can eat **** if you think Ill run it. Its now at the point where every NS server requires it or has in running, its just retarded I dont get it.
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Cheating is a serious problem. Cheating-Death wouldn't exist unless cheating was rampant.
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Here, here! I agree, Use CD.
BTW. I was on a server that said was apparently using "CL". No1 would even tell me what it was but it kept changing our names to "[NOCL]name" similar to the way CD does. And with CL all my attacks were FASTER than they were on that server b4 they got CL! So I suspect this program actually makes non-users "cheat" in an attempt to propogate itself. But the people who had instaled CL played normally (suckers).
Oh well, just stick with CD, the server Op was a noob saying CD doesn't detect cheats, which is probably the biggest misconception about any program I've ever heard of. NOOBS, REMEMBER THIS, WRITE IT DOWN, BURN IT ON UR RETNAS IF YOU MUST. CD BLOCKS CHEATS FROM WORKING, IT DOESN"T DETECT THEM. You can try 2 cheat with CD but it will just make HL unplayable.
C-D isnt a trojan.
if you really must tell someone in a way such as you used as a topicstarter, try emailing it to yourself. that way, your filth doesn't spread AND you may hear just how unintelligent you sound.
CL is "Cheater Log". It's supposedly similar to Cheating Death - though it's obviously not being developed by a well known group (such as UA) cause searching google for "Cheater Log Halflife" results in a bunch of cheat sites and no anticheats.
And in answer to the original poster, we are the admins, you are the scum. You will fall in line and do as we say muahahahah
The point here is, I think, that normal non-cheating players must jump through more and more hoops and prove that they're not cheating. I'm guilty until proven innocent because a tiny minority of spoiled brats is causing large amounts of fear and distrust. Not too pleasant a development.
Find one.
If you do, I'll lobby my server admin to remove it from all our servers.
<i>Pebbs</i>
Note: for EVERY different mod, servers do this. since i play bot DoD and NS, I have to go through this TWICE. wasting TWICE my time and TWICE my hard drive space...grrr! I ought to <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> the guy who made this...
however, we do still need VAC in 1.1 to actively block cheats, although CD prevents most from working, i ahve still seen cheaters, and the worst part is taht because he was running CD no one would believe me. the guy was good, no doubt probably very good without his cheats, but i know a speedhack when i see one. a major speedhack anyone could see, so you use a 5-10% speedhack and then only the most observant can hear the lmg going nuts as he owns every single skulk ...
thats OT, sorry, main point is that although CD is imperfect it is a damn fine tool for preventing would-be cheaters.
Just quoting that single thing, sure somebody does thats the way its just is. I know for sure that one player has because he even admits that he is using aimbot when we said it was obvious. Sad story from yesterday..a true story, i have many people to back this up.
1. That person always used projectile weapons, or lerk.
2. Took out the entire alien team alone and said "Look how i make the alien team press F4!" and we did, because it was the only option! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
3. He finally said it himself, "Look how im making aliens press F4 with my aimbot!".
4. Finally he announced "Im using a cheat you people have never heard off!"
I dont know what else he was using but because marines never built Motion Tracking (my friend told me as he was playing on marine team) anyway that person always knew where someone was hiding. example:
Great Viaduct, i was hiding on top of the hive. You cant see up there if you look from front, but that same guy jetpacked there just to shoot me, he went a way after it so i'm absolutely sure he did know i was there.
If you ever see "uk-marine (wonid: 1852385)" observe him. I leave the rest for you to decide, like whether to allow him to play or not.
For the record, he killed 22 skulks with 2 lmg clips & with pistol, yesterday he killed 33 and died 4 times, rest of the marines killed nothing. Even the scores are pointing out that something fishy was going on.
*uk-marine* has been banned from my fav.server.
LOL, I sure believe that's true.
I use CD on our server and think of it as not a perfect but effective way to keep cheating low.
Of course i noticed some "strange" things happening... like Marines making the primal-scream sound when using their knife (any info about that?), some players going a bit faster than others and of course the "instant death" where you are dead even before you heared that Marine fire the first bullet... but after all a not-perfect defense is better than none.
-my2cent-
Hyper
Yea, even if VAC catches less cheats than C-D, most NS servers will never run C-D.
Using C-D requires the user to have a pair of brains in his head to install the client, and needs the considerable amount of work to start the client before starting Half-life. In most mods (except CS) cheating is not big enough a problem, that players would bother to see the trouble of using C-D to get a cheatfree game.
Btw, C-D 2.9.0 just came out, and currently blocks all useful public hacks.
I personally am against C-D, but that's just 'cos it stops my IRC conduit from working ingame. Simple solution to this: put up with [NO-CD] in ur name, or play on non-cd servers.
Note: for EVERY different mod, servers do this. since i play bot DoD and NS, I have to go through this TWICE. wasting TWICE my time and TWICE my hard drive space...grrr! I ought to <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> the guy who made this...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?&act=ST&f=8&t=28149' target='_blank'>It's added to the .res file</a>. How many servers do you know that do it?
Please name ONE useful cheat, that works with C-D. Can you?
I think that you had great urge to write something without really knowing anything about the situation today. I wish that people like you would just not post instead of letting out such brainfarts. Some admin out there thinking about C-D installation might just take you seriously.
If someone wants to know how well C-D does, better ask actual C-D using admins at <a href='http://forums.unitedadmins.com/' target='_blank'>http://forums.unitedadmins.com/</a>
C-D isnt a trojan.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But Halfe Life contains one (at least a security hole)?
Maybe someone should publish a metamod plugin for it so every admin can mess around on eryones PC - lol.
Of course except that player who dont use the crappy Micros~1 Windows.
Wine ruls! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(...)This seems to be a format string bug in the Half-Life-Client,
Adminmod has little to do with it. I found it by accident as I
blackboxed the admin_ssay and admin_psay commands.
The admin_ssay command sends a textmessage to all players.
After some calls the message eventually reaches the function
ClientPrint, which is called for every user object (i.e. every
player on the server) (util.cpp):
949 /* Rope's stuff */
950 void ClientPrint( entvars_t *client, int msg_dest, const char *msg_name,
951 const char *param1, const char *param2, const char *param3,
952 const char *param4 ) {
953
954 if ( ClientCheck(client) == 0 ) return;
955
956 if ( (g_msgTextMsg = GET_USER_MSG_ID(PLID, "TextMsg", 0)) == 0 ) {
957 g_msgTextMsg = REG_USER_MSG( "TextMsg", -1 );
958 } // if
959
960
961 MESSAGE_BEGIN( MSG_ONE, g_msgTextMsg, NULL, client );
962 WRITE_BYTE( msg_dest );
963 WRITE_STRING( msg_name );
964
965 if ( param1 )
966 WRITE_STRING( param1 );
967
968 if ( param2 )
969 WRITE_STRING( param2 );
970
971 if ( param3 )
972 WRITE_STRING( param3 );
973
974 if ( param4 )
975 WRITE_STRING( param4 );
976
977 MESSAGE_END();
978
979 }
Since I am no HLSDK developer, I have no idea what that MESSAGE_BEGIN
macros do, but I suspect that the Halflife-Client simply prints out
the message that was sent by the server using a format function,
without checking for evil characters. It seems that only some kind
of custom messages trigger this problem.
However, you can force the client to execute arbitrary commands that
eventually spawn a remote shell.(...)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://void.at/advisories/VSA0304_adminmod_client.txt' target='_blank'>http://void.at/advisories/VSA0304_adminmod_client.txt</a>
Of course i noticed some "strange" things happening... like Marines making the primal-scream sound when using their knife (any info about that?),
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Get Hullu's leapexploit plugin webbed on this forum.
It's at version 1.1 last time I checked and it blocks this hack as well as the leap exploit too.
Roo
this guy would know, he's on of the leaders of the AC-Team at UA <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Then you don't have to play on my server. It's that simple.
Actually, you CAN play on my server. Just get used to having it nag you for not running CD every 2 minutes, and whatever you do, don't kill a lot of people. If you do, you'll be required to run CD.
Have some trust? Bah! Earn it. You run CD and I'll trust you. Nobody in the NS community cheats? Bah again! The CS players switching over to NS brought their CD cheats along with em and found that they work just fine in NS.
<!--QuoteBegin--predatory_kangaroo @ Apr 30 2003+ 06:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (predatory_kangaroo @ Apr 30 2003 @ 06:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->All C-D does is sit between the HL client and any hooks (or the engine), and attempts to modify and/or stop any commands sent by the hook to be unharmful to the game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, it does a LOT more than that. It checks what you should/shouldn't be able to see and removes all player location information for players who aren't actually in view. That makes wallhacks and ESP useless. You can still see thru walls, you just can't see anyone thru em. It also slightly changes the location information reported for players who ARE in view. This makes aimbots MISS without affecting the manual shooting of non-cheaters.
It doesn't "catch" anyone. It's doesn't log anything. All it really does is make cheating useless. And yeah, the cheaters DO hack CD so that they can cheat, but the UA guys just release another CD upgrade.
NUTSHELL VERSION: Wanna see a game with cheats? Go play Counterstrike. Wanna see a game community thick with cheaters? Again, go play Counterstrike. Wanna see a game that's no fun to play because of all of the cheating? Yep, you guessed it. CS.
Wanna see a community of server admins who are going to make SURE that the game they love doesn't become "just another Counter Strike cheatfest"???
You're lookin at em.
rapid fire pistol script <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
... what? he asked didn't he?
anyways... that will be fixed in 1.1 from what I hear... everything else C-D helps a hell of a lot with