Bizarre 'above-ground' Mass Grave
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<div class="IPBDescription">Found by UK troops</div> The british found a bizarre 'warehouse mass-grave' today with hudreds of remains in it. I'll post more about it below as a quote, and with a link to what I could find so far in the press. not sure how to discuss this, but it just seemed like an unusual thing. Most of what you hear about the Iraqi's is that they are fairly bungling when it comes to their regime's oppressive tactics, but this has an almost nazi-like efficiency about it (especially from the pictures, check that out in article). Your thoughts on all this - I just found it very curious...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Associated Press Television News video showed the boxes stacked five high on one side of the warehouse, and other boxes were lined up on the other side. The video showed one skull that was missing front teeth and had a large hole in the nasal area. A British soldier held up folders containing lists written in Arabic.
British soldiers also discovered a catalogue of photographs of the dead. The relationship between the photographs and the remains was not immediately clear.
Faces in the photographs were burned, mutilated or scarred by grotesque wounds, according to Vanessa Allen, a reporter for Britain's Press Association news agency. Some apparently had been shot in the head, she added.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Associated Press Television News video showed the boxes stacked five high on one side of the warehouse, and other boxes were lined up on the other side. The video showed one skull that was missing front teeth and had a large hole in the nasal area. A British soldier held up folders containing lists written in Arabic.
British soldiers also discovered a catalogue of photographs of the dead. The relationship between the photographs and the remains was not immediately clear.
Faces in the photographs were burned, mutilated or scarred by grotesque wounds, according to Vanessa Allen, a reporter for Britain's Press Association news agency. Some apparently had been shot in the head, she added.
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I wonder who they were and what they did to deserve that.
Up to further notice, it stays 'unusual'.
Also, in an area as conflict ridden as the Southern Iraq, I can imagine the unidentifyables to 'stack up'...
from msnbc.com
does anyone have any clue as to the point of it?
Or maybe there is some spiteful religious significance, in that Muslims are supposed to be buried pretty quickly, and these folks are in limbo?
Anyone still think these guys shouldn't be stopped? This kind of thing is straight of the Nazi death camps, with the perfect neat efficient notes and stacks of remains...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody in here <i>ever</i> said they <i>should</i> not be stopped.
As for the Nazi comparision - you know my stance on such.
counter terror squads such as seal team six, or delta force are much more suited/capable of going into foreign places and capping baddies, and they don't kill them, they just...disappear....which is good, becuase then people don't become martyrs.
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Monse, don't ever, EVER compare something as small and mundane as this to the Nazi death camps. 200 bodies is nothing compared to the Nazis. Also, the Nazis were hardly efficient, authorities today are still trying to work out who died in the Polish and German death camps.
Also, if we're going to say "Well this proves Iraq has to be taken out" then why not take a trip to China and see how many mass graves of dissidents there are there? Why not Pakistan? Vietnam? North Korea? Zimbabwe? Just because a regime does nasty things to it's population in the name of maintaining power doesn't mean that we should invade them. Sorry but this isn't a justification for war.
And allurhive, you are wrong. They found massive warehouses in nazi concentration camps full of bones, hair, eyeglasses, gold teeth, etc., all carefully noted and organized and catalogued.
I can see this thread is about 2 posts away from a lock already. Sigh.
counter terror squads such as seal team six, or delta force are much more suited/capable of going into foreign places and capping baddies, and they don't kill them, they just...disappear....which is good, becuase then people don't become martyrs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, you think a bunch of counterterrorist squad could have entered IRAQ and busted all their major generals together with Saddam himself? I mean, think about it. When the whole army has problems doing it, how the hell would a couple of CT squads be able to do better on their own?
you were asking for it anyways. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Imagine an entire field of mounds of bodies, covered by only 2 inces of topsoil. Imagine that each of them was an educated member of the community, that had a family, friends, and people who loved them.
That **** killed damn near every educated person in the country in the most grusome way possible. People like that should be stopped, I dont care what your stance on war is. Slaughtering hundreds of thousands to keep your country in ignorance is no way to run a nation.
Im sorry, I just get so mad when I see people agianst the war clinging onto these pictures of poor bombed Iraqis when Saddam was most likely the one to have done that in the first place, and then when something like this comes up to have it dismissed as merely "a grave for soldiers who fought in the gulf war".
Those agiant the war know damn well what this is, one more thing that makes their argument seem as pointless as it already is, and that is relavent to the disscussion.
I didn't fake the pic - it's one side of the war, and I didn't neglect the others anywhere. It's taken down because I'm an idiot who forgot about the hosting rules, though.
Also, next time you want to criticise my sig, PM me.
Is it just me, or is that just fancy talk for "There is no proof, but what I say goes"
Proof for what? Maybe the mass grave just fell out of the sky, we all know saddam and his people did this.
On a slightly different topic(although still pertanent):
It just struck me, Reasa's opinion in this thread seams to be that it doesn't matter the body count, and that 200 deaths is just as bad as the holocaust which killed several million(forgive me if I assume wrong that you agree with MonsE), but yet in the "Why bomb Iraq?" thread, he makes the point that because we will kill less people, we are better.
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Proof for what? Maybe the mass grave just fell out of the sky, we all know saddam and his people did this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No. We <i>know</i> that there is a warehouse full of corpses, that there are lists and photos, and that there is a nearby shooting gallery.
It's highly probable that Hussein has to be blamed for it, but right now, we don't even know exactely what 'it' is. And excuse my youthful idealism, but I always believed in 'innocent until proved guilty' - rules apply for <i>anyone</i>, or they stop being rules.
AllUrHives: You're steering close at the 'no insulting of others' rule. Watch yourself.