<!--QuoteBegin--Lord_Of_The_Pings+Mar 4 2003, 02:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lord_Of_The_Pings @ Mar 4 2003, 02:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ANY cheat is BAD be it a wall hack or an unauthorised crosshair. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey your wearing a custom icon for this forum.. HAXOR U HAX OMG 1!!1!
You dont run at 800x600, OMG U HAX 2 MUCH If it was hacking, i doubt this forum would have a section dedicated to changing sprites and models.
?Hey you use invisable weapon sprites to get better fps? HEY THATS CHEATING U HAX. ?You have a duck+jump script? OMG U F4G I <3 u HAX ?You bind your keys by editing the .cfg manualy? ALDSKFAEWKR! HAX!
Right, if changing a crosshair is hacking, id hate to hear the profanity that comes out of your mouth over a wall hack or a server crash.
<!--QuoteBegin--TheMuffinMan+Mar 4 2003, 08:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheMuffinMan @ Mar 4 2003, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--FireStorm+Mar 4 2003, 01:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FireStorm @ Mar 4 2003, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [sarcasm]Ok, ok guys, now everyone must play with a 320x240 resolution. If you play with a higher resolution it's unfair for the guys who can't afford it so it's a HAX!!!!![/sarcasm] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> can u run hl that low? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the lowest resolution is 320x200
If someones wants a different x-hair good for them. It's just a stylistic choice. It's still gonna be in the middle of the screen isn't it ? Anyone saying its an exploit is just having a kneejerk reaction.
If there was a selection i'd probably change it from the default but it isn't such a big deal i'd go to the hassle of replacing it.
Custom crosshair...I have no problem with that. But is it removes muzzle flash then I have a problem with it. Werent there a few people on these forums complaining about removing weapon model? sortof similar....
There is a fine line between game enhancements and hacking/cheating. Many of you do not know it.
As has been brought up by both sides, obvious skin/wall/game play hacking and crosshair remodeling are quite different. Pick your battles people, spend energy on getting rid of the real gamebreakers. Get over the crosshair changes.
Or whine and flame away, that's probably more productive in the grand scheme of things.
To those who call custom X-hairs cheating, I ask you this:
Why does Natural-Selection AUTOMATICLLY use my custom X-hairs from my deathmatch setup?
That's right, when I installed NS, it grabbed my custom X-hairs and used them AUTOMATICLLY.
So, now, give me answer. If it is cheating, why does the NS install set it up for you?
Get THIS. Not only did it use my custom X-hairs, it ALSO set my r_drawviewmodel to OFF. Automaticlly. I played for a week, not knowing about hive site because it was turned of. I had to write an autoexec.cfg to turn my R_drawviewmodel ON. So, am I now cheating by turning my models ON?
The cool dudes at valve went to ALOT of trouble to make the game modular enough to customize your interface and build MODs. I don't think they would have done that if they concidered it cheating.
Hacking, by definition, is editting the standard game code to provide the player with an advantage over other players. This editting does NOT include modifying configurable files (.cfg), as they were MEANT to be modified. Hence the CONFIGURABLE. Likewise for crosshairs. They are 100% modular. You don't have to be Jeff K to change these things, it just takes a little time and a little effort. Binding chuckle to a key or drop medpack isn't hacking, it's convenience. You have no idea how many times I've wanted building hotkeys (Want that turret? Hit B and T! Siege? B and S! ...wow, that's kinda wrong.) to make setup easier. Turning off weapon models isn't exactly hacking either. As stated by Hart, it has advantages and disadvantages, as Hivesight and Motrack are ON the weapons. I will agree, however, that the muzzle flash on the LMG is ridiculous (come on people, guns didn't even have that much muzzle flash in world war 1).
Custom models? Hell, as long as you don't add big **** spines that allow you to see people coming around the corner, I don't care if your skulks look like zerglings. Besides, 90% of the time a good alien team will have a) the marines parasited, or b) be communicating well enough to know where they are, and likewise any marine who knows how to use motrack will be able to keep his **** covered.
Come on people, grow up. Just because he has a crosshair that's easier to see isn't hacking. You want something comprable? Try bursting instead of spray-and-pray. Or use your knife. Or get a shotgun. Please, guys. Let's be a little mature here.
<!--QuoteBegin--Ashkajioni+Mar 4 2003, 01:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashkajioni @ Mar 4 2003, 01:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Roobubba+Mar 4 2003, 08:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roobubba @ Mar 4 2003, 08:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If they can't shoot straight I suppose they need these to help them...
Personally I just turn my mouse enough to know that when I fire I am bang on target.
Trying to evade the muzzle flash (which is not a problem at all if you are ANY good at aiming AT ALL) is pretty sad IMHO. Just learn how to shoot straight :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I play CS, I can headshot someone from a good distance with a mp5 for gods sake. Dont tell me how to aim. read my 2nd to last post. Think about it. And dont be so quick to judge someone you dont even know <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> . Thats called ignorence my friends. Assuming is just what the word means. **** =x <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 1) I didn't say, nor do I think that changing the crosshair is a cheat.
What I DID say, which you seem to have missed, is in reply to those who say that they want a "better" crosshair so they can see past the muzzle flash, or because they can't find the middle of their screen.
If I can read rightly, I find you were not one of those who used this as their reason for using a custom crosshair.
2) Please do learn not to be so hypocritical. I understand you're hypersensitive about this topic, after all you've replied with quite some vehemence about it, but please (I can't emphasise this enough) READ a post before quoting and replying to it.
FYI I also played CS. Before that I played Kingpin, and was in the best clan in the world. I also set up a "Kingpin Workshop" (later KIT, Kingpin intensive training) where I taught newbies, intermediate players and also held a master class. The reason I'm telling you all this? <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And dont be so quick to judge someone you dont even know <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Likewise.
<!--QuoteBegin--Roobubba+Mar 5 2003, 12:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roobubba @ Mar 5 2003, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh and by the way, I've nothing against your custom crosshairs on my server, but bring that attitude along with you and you won't last long.
---===NUKED===--- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *chuckle.wav* I don't have a problem with a lot of things people do, because in the end, it's just a game. No matter how much people may tout NS as a way of life, it's, in the end of the day, just a fun distraction. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
*bite.wav* -- <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> --(If you don't stop that, I'm never going to heal you again.)
<!--QuoteBegin---=_Fennec Fox_=-+Mar 5 2003, 12:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-=_Fennec Fox_=- @ Mar 5 2003, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Turning off weapon models isn't exactly hacking either. As stated by Hart, it has advantages and disadvantages, as Hivesight and Motrack are ON the weapons. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Id just like to say my previous "omg u hax" montoge , was all sarcasm <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I was just patranising the self righteous newbs out there <3
[QUOTE=Roobubba,Mar 5 2003, 12:17 PM] [QUOTE=Ashkajioni,Mar 4 2003, 01:36 PM] [QUOTE=Roobubba,Mar 4 2003, 08:21 AM] If they can't shoot straight I suppose they need these to help them...
Personally I just turn my mouse enough to know that when I fire I am bang on target.
Trying to evade the muzzle flash (which is not a problem at all if you are ANY good at aiming AT ALL) is pretty sad IMHO. Just learn how to shoot straight :/ [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] Well i blame this on not being specific with our writings. I thought "they cant shoot straight" was refering to anyone useing the crosshairs. My mistake. Sorry <span style='color:red'> <3 </span>
OMG you h4x0r!!! You should be banned from playing any Half-Life Multiplayer modification for the rest of your natural life, and only be allowed to play the original Half-Life Single Player.
I don't need crosshairs, crosshairs are for wimps, I use the muzzle flash to aim.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm afraid it is cheating to an extent, very small though it may be. You are giving yourself an extra advantage that others do not automatically have, which is basically the definition of cheating.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks. I needed a laugh.
I'm reading and I'm reading and I'm <i>pretty</i> sure yours was the only really funny comment in this thread.
It gives me an automatic advantage over almost any player having just picked up a game. And so is my moniter, my connection, my computer, my working eyes.
Send me a replica of your computer and also your mouse/keyboard/speakers and maybe your hands to make sure we're all on the same level. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
You guys need to chill out. Trying to stomp out every thing that gives a player a tiny advantage is ridiculous and unattainable. You play your game and I'll play mine.
You guys need to chill out. Trying to stomp out every thing that gives a player a tiny advantage is ridiculous and unattainable. You play your game and I'll play mine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> !Agreed.!
Also, i wanted to add some more ranting to this thread. Some people want every -legal- advantage in this game as they can get , and i say if someone goes through the time to add in custom crosshairs , jump duck scripts , reload scripts , and whatever else they think they need. Then they deserve these advantages. I started this post, to give those people the oppertunity to learn how to enhance there aim by a TINY BIT. Most of the time custom crosshairs dont even help that much. They helped me, they may not help others.
Regardless of all the flamers opinions, custom crosshairs are legal on every server ive been to. Just as legal as running different video modes and res's. So unless you have questions on how to find/install custom crosshairs, i urge you to stop flamming my post. OR start your own bashing them. Otherwise , Shutup already <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <span style='color:red'>show some LOVE <3 </span>
<!--QuoteBegin--Gun_Sgt_Hartman+Mar 5 2003, 11:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gun_Sgt_Hartman @ Mar 5 2003, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To those who call custom X-hairs cheating, I ask you this:
Why does Natural-Selection AUTOMATICLLY use my custom X-hairs from my deathmatch setup?
That's right, when I installed NS, it grabbed my custom X-hairs and used them AUTOMATICLLY.
So, now, give me answer. If it is cheating, why does the NS install set it up for you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm still waiting on this one.
I also though of something else. Just to play devils advocate, what if the NS dev team decided to have the crosshais checked under the file consistancy system?
I have custom cross hairs and i like em, and remember, it used my custom crosshairs by default. I'm just throwing this out there to get the reaction of others who use em too and those who might actually want that done.
<!--QuoteBegin--Gun_Sgt_Hartman+Mar 5 2003, 09:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gun_Sgt_Hartman @ Mar 5 2003, 09:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also though of something else. Just to play devils advocate, what if the NS dev team decided to have the crosshais checked under the file consistancy system? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If that happend, i would be very dissapointed. But i would still keep playing. I would use the default crosshair, and ask them to make the muzzle flash somewhat realistic. If that dident happen, i would return to DOD and CS and leave this game in the recycling bin. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Simple enuff.
OR they could atleast add in some hard coded crosshairs, like CS , DOD has. Atleast with those you can change the colors to help contrast. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
i have high fps so i jetpack cheat! i can actually hold spacebar indefinitely and never fall. i tested it... ns_hera maint ceiling... expecting a big splat but i never fell after like 2 minutes (and being the last rine alive) i said **** it, let go of jump, and fell to my death.
also, i have a leap script that switches mouse4 back to lastinv (usually slot1) after leaping.
think the leap one is cheating? yeah i could manually switch back and forth... but why?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ashkajioni: i say if someone goes through the time to add in custom crosshairs , jump duck scripts , reload scripts , and whatever else they think they need. Then they deserve these advantages.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, if I go through the "trouble" of installing an aimbot, I deserve that advantage? You think you can justify anyother cheat by lumping it in with custom crosshairs?
<!--QuoteBegin--sushibug+Mar 11 2003, 10:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sushibug @ Mar 11 2003, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> also, i have a leap script that switches mouse4 back to lastinv (usually slot1) after leaping.
think the leap one is cheating? yeah i could manually switch back and forth... but why? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Why? Cause I doubt you can do it manually as quickly as your script does it. As for the crosshairs, this is the first time I ever heard ANYONE say that custom crosshairs is a cheat. HOWEVER, editing the sprite files for the muzzle flash could be considered a cheat, specifically in a marinevsmarine map. Hell, the morons over at frontline force decided playing in third person was a cheat and equated it to installing ogc. My opinion? If you can't use it with cheating-death, then it should probably be considered a cheat. If you CAN use it with cheating-death, then you're probably ok (unless it's a new version of ogc that gets past the C-D hook, but I hope some of you are intelligent enough to get my drift here and not take my words out of context).
I wrote a script that automatically makes Error404 wake up, log on, and post a funny thread to the boards. I call it Sifo's Board Pwnage bot.
If anyone wants a copy, download it at <a href='http://www.hackingnsisfun.com/scriptz/hax0r/joonoob.zip' target='_blank'>http://www.hackingns.com/scriptz/hax0r/joonoob.zip</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--Duck+Mar 11 2003, 09:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duck @ Mar 11 2003, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cause I doubt you can do it manually as quickly as your script does it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just in case you were wondering - it can be done manually <i>faster</i> than a script does it, or at least it seems like it to me. The imposed delay while switching weapons back and forth turns out to be slower than your fingers, and it seems like when you hit the key manually, it cuts out some of that fraction-of-a-second delay you get when using a script/macro.
<!--QuoteBegin--Gun_Sgt_Hartman+Mar 5 2003, 06:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gun_Sgt_Hartman @ Mar 5 2003, 06:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Gun_Sgt_Hartman+Mar 5 2003, 11:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gun_Sgt_Hartman @ Mar 5 2003, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To those who call custom X-hairs cheating, I ask you this:
Why does Natural-Selection AUTOMATICLLY use my custom X-hairs from my deathmatch setup?
That's right, when I installed NS, it grabbed my custom X-hairs and used them AUTOMATICLLY.
So, now, give me answer. If it is cheating, why does the NS install set it up for you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm still waiting on this one.
I also though of something else. Just to play devils advocate, what if the NS dev team decided to have the crosshais checked under the file consistancy system? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If they were gonna do that then they better get some crosshairs that don't suck as the defaults.
<!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Mar 11 2003, 12:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Mar 11 2003, 12:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ashkajioni: i say if someone goes through the time to add in custom crosshairs , jump duck scripts , reload scripts , and whatever else they think they need. Then they deserve these advantages.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, if I go through the "trouble" of installing an aimbot, I deserve that advantage? You think you can justify anyother cheat by lumping it in with custom crosshairs? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Notice i said every legal advantage? Yea i ment that. LEGAL. And what do you mean lumping it in? I have posted nothing illegal in this post , nore have i endorsed any aimbots or wall hacks.
DOD and CS do not have hard-coded crosshairs. In fact, i use a 6 pixel cross as my dod crosshair. It allows for precise accuracy, and has none of that random swaying.
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<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey your wearing a custom icon for this forum..
HAXOR U HAX OMG 1!!1!
You dont run at 800x600, OMG U HAX 2 MUCH
If it was hacking, i doubt this forum would have a section dedicated to changing sprites and models.
?Hey you use invisable weapon sprites to get better fps? HEY THATS CHEATING U HAX.
?You have a duck+jump script? OMG U F4G I <3 u HAX
?You bind your keys by editing the .cfg manualy? ALDSKFAEWKR! HAX!
Right, if changing a crosshair is hacking, id hate to hear the profanity that comes out of your mouth over a wall hack or a server crash.
can u run hl that low? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the lowest resolution is 320x200
If there was a selection i'd probably change it from the default but it isn't such a big deal i'd go to the hassle of replacing it.
As has been brought up by both sides, obvious skin/wall/game play hacking and crosshair remodeling are quite different. Pick your battles people, spend energy on getting rid of the real gamebreakers. Get over the crosshair changes.
Or whine and flame away, that's probably more productive in the grand scheme of things.
S
Why does Natural-Selection AUTOMATICLLY use my custom X-hairs from my deathmatch setup?
That's right, when I installed NS, it grabbed my custom X-hairs and used them AUTOMATICLLY.
So, now, give me answer. If it is cheating, why does the NS install set it up for you?
Get THIS. Not only did it use my custom X-hairs, it ALSO set my r_drawviewmodel to OFF. Automaticlly. I played for a week, not knowing about hive site because it was turned of. I had to write an autoexec.cfg to turn my R_drawviewmodel ON. So, am I now cheating by turning my models ON?
The cool dudes at valve went to ALOT of trouble to make the game modular enough to customize your interface and build MODs. I don't think they would have done that if they concidered it cheating.
GSH
Hacking, by definition, is editting the standard game code to provide the player with an advantage over other players. This editting does NOT include modifying configurable files (.cfg), as they were MEANT to be modified. Hence the CONFIGURABLE. Likewise for crosshairs. They are 100% modular. You don't have to be Jeff K to change these things, it just takes a little time and a little effort. Binding chuckle to a key or drop medpack isn't hacking, it's convenience. You have no idea how many times I've wanted building hotkeys (Want that turret? Hit B and T! Siege? B and S! ...wow, that's kinda wrong.) to make setup easier. Turning off weapon models isn't exactly hacking either. As stated by Hart, it has advantages and disadvantages, as Hivesight and Motrack are ON the weapons. I will agree, however, that the muzzle flash on the LMG is ridiculous (come on people, guns didn't even have that much muzzle flash in world war 1).
Custom models? Hell, as long as you don't add big **** spines that allow you to see people coming around the corner, I don't care if your skulks look like zerglings. Besides, 90% of the time a good alien team will have a) the marines parasited, or b) be communicating well enough to know where they are, and likewise any marine who knows how to use motrack will be able to keep his **** covered.
Come on people, grow up. Just because he has a crosshair that's easier to see isn't hacking. You want something comprable? Try bursting instead of spray-and-pray. Or use your knife. Or get a shotgun. Please, guys. Let's be a little mature here.
Personally I just turn my mouse enough to know that when I fire I am bang on target.
Trying to evade the muzzle flash (which is not a problem at all if you are ANY good at aiming AT ALL) is pretty sad IMHO. Just learn how to shoot straight :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I play CS, I can headshot someone from a good distance with a mp5 for gods sake. Dont tell me how to aim. read my 2nd to last post. Think about it. And dont be so quick to judge someone you dont even know <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> . Thats called ignorence my friends. Assuming is just what the word means. **** =x <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
1) I didn't say, nor do I think that changing the crosshair is a cheat.
What I DID say, which you seem to have missed, is in reply to those who say that they want a "better" crosshair so they can see past the muzzle flash, or because they can't find the middle of their screen.
If I can read rightly, I find you were not one of those who used this as their reason for using a custom crosshair.
2) Please do learn not to be so hypocritical. I understand you're hypersensitive about this topic, after all you've replied with quite some vehemence about it, but please (I can't emphasise this enough) READ a post before quoting and replying to it.
FYI I also played CS. Before that I played Kingpin, and was in the best clan in the world. I also set up a "Kingpin Workshop" (later KIT, Kingpin intensive training) where I taught newbies, intermediate players and also held a master class. The reason I'm telling you all this? <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And dont be so quick to judge someone you dont even know <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Likewise.
Oh, and it's ignor<b>a</b>nce.
Thank you for your time.
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*chuckle.wav* I don't have a problem with a lot of things people do, because in the end, it's just a game. No matter how much people may tout NS as a way of life, it's, in the end of the day, just a fun distraction. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
*bite.wav* -- <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> --(If you don't stop that, I'm never going to heal you again.)
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> --(Xenoform spotted...) <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> *skulkdeath.wav* <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> --(I love you.)
Id just like to say my previous "omg u hax" montoge , was all sarcasm <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I was just patranising the self righteous newbs out there <3
Personally I just turn my mouse enough to know that when I fire I am bang on target.
Trying to evade the muzzle flash (which is not a problem at all if you are ANY good at aiming AT ALL) is pretty sad IMHO. Just learn how to shoot straight :/ [/QUOTE]
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Well i blame this on not being specific with our writings. I thought "they cant shoot straight" was refering to anyone useing the crosshairs. My mistake. Sorry <span style='color:red'> <3 </span>
I don't need crosshairs, crosshairs are for wimps, I use the muzzle flash to aim.
Thanks. I needed a laugh.
I'm reading and I'm reading and I'm <i>pretty</i> sure yours was the only really funny comment in this thread.
It gives me an automatic advantage over almost any player having just picked up a game. And so is my moniter, my connection, my computer, my working eyes.
Send me a replica of your computer and also your mouse/keyboard/speakers and maybe your hands to make sure we're all on the same level. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
You guys need to chill out. Trying to stomp out every thing that gives a player a tiny advantage is ridiculous and unattainable. You play your game and I'll play mine.
You guys need to chill out. Trying to stomp out every thing that gives a player a tiny advantage is ridiculous and unattainable. You play your game and I'll play mine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
!Agreed.!
Also, i wanted to add some more ranting to this thread.
Some people want every -legal- advantage in this game as they can get , and i say if someone goes through the time to add in custom crosshairs , jump duck scripts , reload scripts , and whatever else they think they need. Then they deserve these advantages. I started this post, to give those people the oppertunity to learn how to enhance there aim by a TINY BIT. Most of the time custom crosshairs dont even help that much. They helped me, they may not help others.
Regardless of all the flamers opinions, custom crosshairs are legal on every server ive been to. Just as legal as running different video modes and res's. So unless you have questions on how to find/install custom crosshairs, i urge you to stop flamming my post. OR start your own bashing them. Otherwise , Shutup already <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <span style='color:red'>show some LOVE <3 </span>
Why does Natural-Selection AUTOMATICLLY use my custom X-hairs from my deathmatch setup?
That's right, when I installed NS, it grabbed my custom X-hairs and used them AUTOMATICLLY.
So, now, give me answer. If it is cheating, why does the NS install set it up for you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm still waiting on this one.
I also though of something else. Just to play devils advocate, what if the NS dev team decided to have the crosshais checked under the file consistancy system?
I have custom cross hairs and i like em, and remember, it used my custom crosshairs by default. I'm just throwing this out there to get the reaction of others who use em too and those who might actually want that done.
GSH
If that happend, i would be very dissapointed. But i would still keep playing. I would use the default crosshair, and ask them to make the muzzle flash somewhat realistic. If that dident happen, i would return to DOD and CS and leave this game in the recycling bin. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Simple enuff.
OR they could atleast add in some hard coded crosshairs, like CS , DOD has. Atleast with those you can change the colors to help contrast. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
also, i have a leap script that switches mouse4 back to lastinv (usually slot1) after leaping.
think the leap one is cheating? yeah i could manually switch back and forth... but why?
i say if someone goes through the time to add in custom crosshairs , jump duck scripts , reload scripts , and whatever else they think they need. Then they deserve these advantages.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, if I go through the "trouble" of installing an aimbot, I deserve that advantage? You think you can justify anyother cheat by lumping it in with custom crosshairs?
think the leap one is cheating? yeah i could manually switch back and forth... but why? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why? Cause I doubt you can do it manually as quickly as your script does it. As for the crosshairs, this is the first time I ever heard ANYONE say that custom crosshairs is a cheat. HOWEVER, editing the sprite files for the muzzle flash could be considered a cheat, specifically in a marinevsmarine map. Hell, the morons over at frontline force decided playing in third person was a cheat and equated it to installing ogc. My opinion? If you can't use it with cheating-death, then it should probably be considered a cheat. If you CAN use it with cheating-death, then you're probably ok (unless it's a new version of ogc that gets past the C-D hook, but I hope some of you are intelligent enough to get my drift here and not take my words out of context).
If anyone wants a copy, download it at <a href='http://www.hackingnsisfun.com/scriptz/hax0r/joonoob.zip' target='_blank'>http://www.hackingns.com/scriptz/hax0r/joonoob.zip</a>
Sifo
Just in case you were wondering - it can be done manually <i>faster</i> than a script does it, or at least it seems like it to me. The imposed delay while switching weapons back and forth turns out to be slower than your fingers, and it seems like when you hit the key manually, it cuts out some of that fraction-of-a-second delay you get when using a script/macro.
Man > machine.
Why does Natural-Selection AUTOMATICLLY use my custom X-hairs from my deathmatch setup?
That's right, when I installed NS, it grabbed my custom X-hairs and used them AUTOMATICLLY.
So, now, give me answer. If it is cheating, why does the NS install set it up for you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm still waiting on this one.
I also though of something else. Just to play devils advocate, what if the NS dev team decided to have the crosshais checked under the file consistancy system? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If they were gonna do that then they better get some crosshairs that don't suck as the defaults.
i say if someone goes through the time to add in custom crosshairs , jump duck scripts , reload scripts , and whatever else they think they need. Then they deserve these advantages.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, if I go through the "trouble" of installing an aimbot, I deserve that advantage? You think you can justify anyother cheat by lumping it in with custom crosshairs? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Notice i said every legal advantage? Yea i ment that. LEGAL.
And what do you mean lumping it in? I have posted nothing illegal in this post , nore have i endorsed any aimbots or wall hacks.
Ty come again
DOD and CS do not have hard-coded crosshairs. In fact, i use a 6 pixel cross as my dod crosshair. It allows for precise accuracy, and has none of that random swaying.