Charge is THE reason why Onos own so much. Well that, and because they're freaking unkillable. I've seen Onos kill 2-3 HA marines in a single charge, hell I've done it myself a few times. if devour were to replace charge, it might give marines a fighting chance against 3 hive aliens... though there's still the problem of acid spores.
Mmm, you've just made me want 1.1 even more. Some things would need to be tweaked, like being able to suicide after being eaten, and whether or not the Onos would be able to eat multiple marines. As for the abilities being replaced, I think it would be either paralyse or primal scream. Paralyse doesn't deliver what it says (Marines are unable to move, but they can still fire, unlike what the autohelp claims.) Primal scream also overpowers every alien nearby, and that is kind of a bit much...
Still, 1.1 sounds really sweet. I'd like to see what you guys are doing with the Lerk...
<!--QuoteBegin--0range+Feb 23 2003, 06:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (0range @ Feb 23 2003, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->please!! take away primal scream.. NOBODY uses it and when the do its kinda over kill..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> nobody uses primal scream because "it does no damage" ever heard of something called teamwork?
Paralyze is immensely useful. It makes a jetpacker drop like a rock. When he's just standing there unable to move, spam chuckles and run him down with charge.
If Devour replaces charge then I will never go onos ever again.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Kazyras+Feb 23 2003, 11:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kazyras @ Feb 23 2003, 11:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Paralyze is immensely useful. It makes a jetpacker drop like a rock. When he's just standing there unable to move, spam chuckles and run him down with charge. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> dude paralyze a target, then running up and devour him,
Devour should replace Primal Scream, and here's why....
PS makes a team of aliens nearly unkillable, therefore ruining the comeback possibility at endgame, something flayra said he wanted to avoid. Plus, the team based nature of PS goes against the suggested alien play style, which is mostly solo.
I think that before you Devour a marine, you should have to paralyze him first. This would explain why marines can't shoot while being devoured, and it would keep an onos from just running into a room and scooping up the first marine he sees. Devour should be tricky to pull off, but come with MASSIVE benefits, like a huge health and armor upgrade, or something along those lines. That way, you would have more onos stalking the halls looking for lone marine to make a snack of, rather than all of them pounding away on thier base at once. It would add a little more depth to our cuddly friend the Onos.
Excellent work Flayra. The next release seems to be more complete then I anticipated. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Flayra+Feb 23 2003, 05:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flayra @ Feb 23 2003, 05:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2) This does replace an existing Onos ability <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well...we can safely assume that it's NOT going to replace "Horn" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I might imagine that either paralyze or primal scream (the latter most likely) would get ousted in favor of <b>DEVOUR</b> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
It does seem a bit gimicky and silly, and it seems only serves to annoy the marine and add hilarity to the alien team "omz 1 eat t3h ha l1l1230l1203lewfkdp9fj" :\
Comm "move to your waypoint, darnit" NSPlayer "err, sorry but im just getting eaten" NSPlayer(2) "me too, sorry" Lerk "Err guys. there are werid sounds coming from inside of you" Comm "Yawn"
Hmm..I just realized something. How the heck can an Onos cram a whole marine, even without armor or anything into his mouth? Sure, it's big enough to maybe chomp off a head, but the whole marine goes untouched into the Onos' gullet?
Let's see... if this is able to devour HA that's another issue too.... do you really want almost no chance of living as an HA? You go slower than marines, and you are now a primary target for being EATEN allowing your weaker teammates to get horned to death. No I don't think it's a good idea
and also, let's see... an aura effect primal scream AND devour? yes it DOES sound like the kodo beast.... especially if BOTH of those abilities stay with the Onos...
nice, this will be awsome, but paralysis and devour seems almost too good. I wonder if you can still attack while your devouring some one as an onos. And i'm guessing the marines wont get there weapons back once devoured and killed. Will it be possible to spectate a marine that is being devoured, or will the spectator only see black?
The ability also vaguely reminds me of the Tarrasque in 3rd Edition D&D. The Tarrasque could swallow you whole if he grabbed you. However, if you had a light weapon (like a shortsword), you could hack your way out.... or you can CLIMB out... even though that's unlikely if you aren't too powerful.
I still don't like the idea. If you think about it, the Onos wouldn't have a big enough stomach to fit the Marine.... Also, how would this be balanced against Heavy armors?
I'm guessing the Devour ability is gonna replace Charge. Charge isn't exactly the most useful of abilities when fighting against buildings, and Primal Scream is too good of a support ability, and removing Paralyze would get rid of the Onos' ability to defend against jetpacking marines.
also why have both devour and paralysis if you kept them both? I mean, paralysis can ALSO keep a marine immobilized for at least half a minute, AND it can get those pesky flying marines. No reason to give MORE power to jetpackers in my opinion, they are pesky enough without being immune to the onos. And using paralysis you can either kill the marine whenever you want, or keep them busy as long as their annoying teammates don't ruin your fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->small balancing issue: what if everyone got devoued on the marine team? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ahem, I'll field this one..... The marines lose. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
i think the idea is kind of interesting and the fact that a marine base going against 3 hives and however many onos with primal scream and charge is kind of hopeless it helps and hinders in ways. helping that they dont have charge, and hindering that they are stuck in the belly until they die. that is, if you disable the kill command. i would say that you shouldnt disable the kill command because then servers without unstuck abilities would make people that are stuck have to rejoin. but i would rather suggest a kill command that has a 30 second wait. so if you are in the stomach of an onos. there is no point in killing yourself and if you kill yourself to get back to base to save it then you would still have to wait. thus stopping the "cheating" methods. hopefully flayra will read this idea, although i doubt it, and possibly use it or form it into his own liking. Good luck with 1.1..
Cool. I hope it replaces Primal Scream... the Onos isn't really a 'support unit'.
And that's just what we need, Surge. A tarrasque <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
"Uh, commander... I need a +5 LMG and some Wish nanobots!"
you've GOT to let a marine be able to use his knife while being digested <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--kavasa+Feb 23 2003, 06:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Feb 23 2003, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And a perfect replacement for primal scream. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Onos is losing two abilities, apparently. And I'm sure Gore will remain. That leaves us with Paralyze, Charge, and Primal Scream.
Please don't make us lose our Primal Scream.
Please?
-Ryan!
Money doesn't always bring happiness. People with ten million dollars are no happier than people with nine million dollars. -- Hobart Brown
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"I'm going to get my gun. EAT ME!!!"
Still, 1.1 sounds really sweet. I'd like to see what you guys are doing with the Lerk...
nobody uses primal scream because "it does no damage"
ever heard of something called teamwork?
PS: wow this thread got big fast
dude paralyze a target, then running up and devour him,
WINNAR
PS makes a team of aliens nearly unkillable, therefore ruining the comeback possibility at endgame, something flayra said he wanted to avoid. Plus, the team based nature of PS goes against the suggested alien play style, which is mostly solo.
I think that before you Devour a marine, you should have to paralyze him first. This would explain why marines can't shoot while being devoured, and it would keep an onos from just running into a room and scooping up the first marine he sees. Devour should be tricky to pull off, but come with MASSIVE benefits, like a huge health and armor upgrade, or something along those lines. That way, you would have more onos stalking the halls looking for lone marine to make a snack of, rather than all of them pounding away on thier base at once. It would add a little more depth to our cuddly friend the Onos.
Well...we can safely assume that it's NOT going to replace "Horn" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I might imagine that either paralyze or primal scream (the latter most likely) would get ousted in favor of <b>DEVOUR</b> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Comm "move to your waypoint, darnit"
NSPlayer "err, sorry but im just getting eaten"
NSPlayer(2) "me too, sorry"
Lerk "Err guys. there are werid sounds coming from inside of you"
Comm "Yawn"
Onos are gonna need bigger mouths...
and also, let's see... an aura effect primal scream AND devour? yes it DOES sound like the kodo beast.... especially if BOTH of those abilities stay with the Onos...
I still don't like the idea. If you think about it, the Onos wouldn't have a big enough stomach to fit the Marine.... Also, how would this be balanced against Heavy armors?
I'm guessing the Devour ability is gonna replace Charge. Charge isn't exactly the most useful of abilities when fighting against buildings, and Primal Scream is too good of a support ability, and removing Paralyze would get rid of the Onos' ability to defend against jetpacking marines.
Ahem, I'll field this one..... The marines lose. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Onos > Onos > Onos > Onos > Onos. Thats one big onos !
And that's just what we need, Surge. A tarrasque <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
"Uh, commander... I need a +5 LMG and some Wish nanobots!"
sooooo cool <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Onos is losing two abilities, apparently. And I'm sure Gore will remain. That leaves us with Paralyze, Charge, and Primal Scream.
Please don't make us lose our Primal Scream.
Please?
-Ryan!
Money doesn't always bring happiness. People with ten million dollars are no happier than people with nine million dollars.
-- Hobart Brown