Why So Many Dislike Cs
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Well, this could be an interesting topic: The question is why do most people dislike CS? Even before the community went to heck, and the cheaters plagued the game, many still disliked it. The main reason I found it quite unsastisfying was when you die, you can usually sit there while one person on each team hunts each other down over a large map. I mean, watching one person walk around in circles is not my idea of fun <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I know this can happen in NS, but usually there are still stray turrets and such the person has to deal with, making it interesting to watch them navigate through the level.
I also was not a huge fan of objectives rarely being completed. There really is no incentive, it's easier to kill off the other team, as you still keep your gun, and cash, well... even dieing almost every round, I can afford decent guns still. I did a little tally of 50 games I played later on suposedly "good" servers, yup, good aim. Times objective completed (25 rescue, 25 bomb). 1 rescue, 3 bombs. Just a big game of DM <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I also was not a huge fan of objectives rarely being completed. There really is no incentive, it's easier to kill off the other team, as you still keep your gun, and cash, well... even dieing almost every round, I can afford decent guns still. I did a little tally of 50 games I played later on suposedly "good" servers, yup, good aim. Times objective completed (25 rescue, 25 bomb). 1 rescue, 3 bombs. Just a big game of DM <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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2. No constant respawning= zzzzzz go play DoD.
3.Competition is tough.
thats all i can think of now.
Still a good game.
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I mainly played Gloom online when every one was playing CS religiously
I like CS and I have a pre-order for Condition Zero. (I'm a slave to flashy graphics and modern day weaponary)
But anyway! There can be some teamplay but then CS is best played on a LAN with a whole load of people you know.
And the new weapons/items sound like they could make camping almost useless (Gas Grenades, Riot Shields (Perfect anti AWP!) and a gas mask (for use with the grenade of course!)
And cheaper rifles as well. This could get good!
As to why people dislike it? It could be the sit on your butt waiting for a new round or just people doing lame things. Although when a team does work together it can be extremely fun. (And I can say on a Public on Oilrig the VIP was always escorted!)
2)H4x0ring abounds. You cannot play without meeting a hacker.
3)Admins are scared stiff of said cheaters, and so they have become nazi-esque
4)everyone who isn't a hacker is a lamer.
CS is a very team oriantated game. If you don't think so, then you are playing on the wrong servers. A lot of servers out there enforce team play, i.e. if you are camping your spawn with the bomb, then expect to get kicked, because you should be planting.
Cheating: yes there was a lot. Not so much anymore. The number of cheaters was exagurated by people that did not do very well in the game. To be blunt the people that complained about cheaters were people that sucked, and went on to become cheaters themselves.
Great game, will continue to play it. Only other game that has drawn me away is BF1942, and again you need to find a good server.
In my opinion, the amazing success of CS is because, like NS, it combines teamplay and strategy with deathmatch, so frag-hunters and teamplay junkies can get their kicks on the same server. However, I think that CS doesn't do this terribly well. The high damage rates, slow movement speeds (combined with slowing down further when you're shot), and overly similar and inaccurate weapons make it a pretty poor DM game, and yet there really isn't much to encourage teamplay, besides having extra bodies to shoot. I also agree with coil's (I think) rant that playing the same map 20 times in a row is repetitious to the point of agony. Finally, it is pretty tough for teams to come back from behind, especially in the start. Sure, over time you'll be getting more and more money than the winning team per round, but generally at least one guy on the winning team survives, which means that he is getting excess money. So it's round after round of charging well-armored enemies armed with heavy weapons, when you only have a TMP or Mac10. And that just gets irritating.
I don't like when corporations and big business take over good things like this. You know how much <b>MORE</b> of a hit HALO would have been if Microsoft didn't buy out Bungee, and it was released for the PC first? I think it would have totally replaced CS this far.
He changes name to [Myclantag]Gayboy and his mate was [Myclantag]Island Monkey.... They then start spamming and pretending to be in my clan...
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I don't like when corporations and big business take over good things like this. You know how much <b>MORE</b> of a hit HALO would have been if Microsoft didn't buy out Bungee, and it was released for the PC first? I think it would have totally replaced CS this far. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think Goose has anything to do with it anymore.
NS is fun despite the horrible FPS I get because it rewards teamwork the most. You wanna wonder around all alone? I need a snack anyway.
Action Half-Life Beta 4 was my favorite mod, until b5 came out and it sucked. I loved that mod.
CS does have an appeal though, the realistic guns and stuff....then I go think about getting to play Raven Shield on my cousin's computer. R6 owns CS.
CS is fun though, just that it lost it's appeal after b6.x when they stopped adding good guns.
1) the 'attempt' at realism, I can live with games that get realism rather good (americas army has done that and I like it, it has vastly improved my sniping skills in other games ;D), however CS has a quazi realism aspect, it is not realistic at, it simply claims to be.
2) the comunity, it bites, every so often you will find a pub that has nice and friendly people/admin but yah know what, most of it aint like that, spamers, griefers, llamas, etc abound in CS (and in NS thus why I don't play NS OL that much any more, only lan)
3) repeditive, very very repeditive that is my main gripe, it realy just does not have any from of varyation to it.
4) stupid **** maps. pub crawling bites when you have to deal with speedball CS maps, BLECH
5) the weapons need nerfing, most of the weps just are not good enugh and there are a few that just kick ****
I remember back when I started playing CS (5.x-6.x) when you could USE the shot guns (the shotgun sniper was my title, I could pick ppl off acrose maps with both the sguns ;D)
6) how it has effected other games. I admit I use the term CSnewb to describe those ppl who come into a game and as soon as you do well they start spaming about hax etc (I have a few mods that I can just clean up in, and getting kicked from a server b/c the other team just dosn't get it)
the prevalence of ppl who simply scream OMYGODHAX!!!!! just makes for silly people, thwe amount of people who think there are god mode, aim bots(when playing with non hitscan weps), etc just infuriates me.
in conclusion alot of it is comunity, I also don't play games like VS, DC, and many others simply due to the THATS A LAMERS WEAPON YOU SUCK B.C U USE TAHT WEAPON!!!!111!!!!11
sry, I just DLed and tried to play VS chap V, and then I remembered why I don't play it (one day it has been released and the new pistol is the newb weapon, lol)
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In general, CS is your stupid person game with little complexities and little progressiveness, AKA no real benefit to decisions made throughout the game rather than in CS where you just got frags. In NS every battle can change the conclusion of the game, which brings many exceptions, complexities and much progressiveness to the game. I can only sit down and do the same thing so many times. In CS, you buy your weapon, kill some people, and die in less then 3 minutes for hours? Or play one round of NS for hours where the tables are constantly turning, every battle won or lost is determining the conclusion of the game.
Quite frankly, CS is just repetition over and over.
My reasons for liking CS:
Playing with friends is great.
Sh!t talking is always a bonus that you don't get when you respawn too fast.
When you're good, you have fun.
My reasons for disliking CS:
My brother had a bunch of friends watch me play and say "Oh. I want to play that." These friends are people that would do the world a favor if they were victims of random tragedies.
But then 1 of them got good. But all he did was talk **** whenever he killed anyone. Now, it was no longer fun. But this guy would literally call my house and tell me when slots were open on my favorite CS server. It got to the point that he played more in 1 day than I would play in a week and I got sick of it.
I realized at that time that no matter how much better than him I am in real life, he will always consider himself better than me in CS. And I have to admit he is. What bothers me, is real life doesn't mater to him. So I quit playing when NS came out.
I had a recent resurgence of playing CS on a server with a lot of custom maps that were pretty fun, but I realize now that no matter how good you are, there are always people who stack teams and drive you nuts when you play.
I don't hate CS for the game. It was fun for a time, and on custom maps still is fun sometimes. The lamers and hackers never bothered me. It was the day that this useless waste of a human I knew that had befriended my brother got better than me at it (not saying I was ever good. decent, but not good). I realized how much it hurts to share something I enjoy with people I don't respect and can't stand. I would rather quit playing than prolong myself to his existance anymore.
My 2 cents...
Elven Thief
first mod i played was TFC on a fairly well known british server , for around a year it was cheat free , then over only a few months there was 12 diffrent cheats cought on the server, the reason for this after a few admins asked around was that some1 from CS had made a hack that, u might remember, made u go soooo fast , this was then used to make clone cheats and hax , after that was out the way another hack can out letting u kill servers and walk though walls , this was TFC only but it was a CS player that tryed to find out bugs in TFC and tell the world. this is why i hate CS players when i played it for a few months , nice guys if ur in a nice clan but imo 80% of CS's are not worth talking to.
BTW: this is the first time iv seen a 'why CS is bad' topic that has not been locked after 2 posts , keep it up
And much less infuriating!
The problem is that unless you know that password to a good private server it can be a real pain in the butt. Although there are still those moments where you feel real proud of yourself. Like sneaking up behind a group of 3 Ts that were pinning my teammates down then capping them all with a P90. Now THAT was fun!
However you still can't play it for more than an hour without getting a bit bored, unlike NS where 6 hour matches that keep you up untill the early hours are a loveable thing ^_^
So much can be dependent on fps and connection you ever try awping with 100+ coke?
Public play sucks so bad, if im on the rushing team and we keep getting flanked from a spot that i camp the next round i get slayed. Wow nice i see we are suppose to die everyround <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
People that use the m4/ak-47 and call me an awp **** because i use it 3 rounds in a row. Sorry i actually have to aim my gun <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
The money system kinda gets old, its fun at first but when your playing aztec and loose the pistol round well you have to save for 3 more rounds to awp <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Hacking, Its just way to much even in cal people are gettin caught.
What I love about it:
Teamwork, ever since 1.4 I have seen much more complexe strategies while playing in scrims and pugs. It now takes much mroe time to move steathy from point a to point b so teamwork is crucial.
The sound, I love how you can pinpoint any enemies location just by 1 foot step, or if they fire thier weapon.
The maps are good too, short simple, yet have many tactics, such as dust2.
Now that cheats are not nearly as prevalent as they used to be (go VAC)
the problem is that there still is a large comunity of people who believe that any one good mucst cheat, this then spreads and ruins more things
oh well
i dont know...why do most people hate AOL?..oh yes, now i remember....
and damn it Rue, I've been trying to find your sig pic forever. and now I can't use it cuz you have it. Damn it.
hint: read my signature.