<!--QuoteBegin--Speed 2 Dave+Jan 27 2003, 01:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Jan 27 2003, 01:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lol not the "more than one gorge is wasteful" post. It <b>CAN</b> be useful. Please learn that there is more than one way to play the game (that's why there are forums, this is a good place to learn strats). You don't have to play it different from the 1 gorge, D>M>S, but there <b>ARE</b> possibilities.
Kahuna: People would respect your opinion a little more if you didn't come in and insult others. Yes his comment was misguided, no you shouldn't call him stupid. Were it not for Kitsune, I wouldn't know how many hits each creature can take from each upgrade (mainly because I'm too lazy to test stuff myself, and don't have any people with that much spare time). Were it not for you...*shrug* I wouldn't have posted here? If you want some less than friendly comments, I'm more than willing to PM you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you re-read my post, you'll notice I don't call people names. It's childish, and uncalled for. Here is exactly what I said...
Never once been to a voogru server, and you expect to come into a forum and speak with intelligence?
Could you show me where I called him st00pid? One more thing, as much crap as NS forums users have given voogru, I'm very surprised you and others haven't stated this before. Or does all of this rhetoric only apply to myself, and voogru?
I know of someone that was suspended temporily for sending flaming PM's. So if you feel it necessary to do the same, fine. I'll be glad to direct them to SpyderMonkey, who is ALWAYS fair.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Never once been to a voogru server, and you expect to come into a forum and speak with intelligence?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well... I've never once been to a voogru server and I think I speak with intelligence. So what's your point Kahuna? That sentence is just plain inflammatory and you should know that. I bear no ill will towards voogru, but saying someone can't comment intellligently in the forums simply because they choose not to play on his servers? Please.
Back to the topic at hand, I have no problem with the admin making their own rules. I choose to avoid servers where they have modified basic elements of the game through mods... same thing for servers where the admins have rules I don't like. No skin off my back and none off theirs. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b>IF YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY SERVERS ARE SET UP, DONT PLAY ON THEM!!
FFS!!</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> no need to flame, there are many ways to play, some work better than others, what it all comes down to is if its fun or not <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
ever done a gorge rush? fun fun fun
ever had 1 gorge the whole game? fun fun fun
ever made sensory first? ( god forbid ) fun fun fun
dont hate the player hate the game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> btw, there really isnt anything wrong with modifying the game i suppose, you gota find something new or it will get old.
hey, thats how flay gets alot of his new ideas anyways?
i think that very speific rules are fine (just as has been posted a million times, it's their server), but it makes it harder for newbies (not n00bs, i think the latter is derogatory, the former is not), to learn.
in general, most NS players play to win, not play to mess around, teach others etc.
if ever there was a game that needed a single player play/tutorial, NS would be it. has anyone else heard the utter and vast confusion of a newbie? it's harsh. so many things to learn, figure out, and a HUGE map to understand/get lost in.
<!--QuoteBegin--Morose+Feb 1 2003, 12:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Morose @ Feb 1 2003, 12:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Never once been to a voogru server, and you expect to come into a forum and speak with intelligence?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well... I've never once been to a voogru server and I think I speak with intelligence. So what's your point Kahuna? That sentence is just plain inflammatory and you should know that. I bear no ill will towards voogru, but saying someone can't comment intellligently in the forums simply because they choose not to play on his servers? Please.
Back to the topic at hand, I have no problem with the admin making their own rules. I choose to avoid servers where they have modified basic elements of the game through mods... same thing for servers where the admins have rules I don't like. No skin off my back and none off theirs. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you have never visited voogru NS servers, could you explain to me exactly all of it's features? No, you can't. Therefor speaking about what you have HEARD is on voogru, is NOT very intelligent; especially when most of what you read, isn't true. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
That was my point, exactly. AND when a self proclaimed expert has no experience in his 'expertise' what would you call it? Intelligent? Didn't think so.
I would only wish people could keep us out of their flames to start with. We mind our own business, and do not bother anyone else. However, when someone speaks about us; and what we do, it would be great if they actually knew what they were talking about.
Please keep in mind, we didn't start this thread; Also take note, we do not call people names; nor portray them in a light other then what is accurate.
There is a different between intelligence, and wisdom. It's neither wise, or intelligent to speak of things your not aware of.
I'm sorry if you perceive my message as flammatory. I was only pointing out a fact, whether you like it or not is another matter. I have nothing further to add to this discussion, as it would serve no useful purpose.
Two gorges, especially on a big team, are good. You may delay the second hive a bit, but once you have it there will be more resources to use (and be able to go fade faster). I've been in games where the two gorges were the only survivors as the marines were attacking the first hive. We lost that hive, but had the two others up not long after that, with reasonable defenses too. I think it's a good idea for someone to gorge during the first second of the game, and once the first resource tower starts to build let someone else go gorge. If the marine team isn't very aggressive, two gorges can be effective on a 4-man team, as long as the two skulks know the map and respond quickly (if the marines are attacking often, more skulks will be needed). After the first res towers are up, one gorge can continue building while the other saves for the hive. After a while, resources flow in so quickly that one gorge goes from 0 to 22 in half the time it takes to build a resource tower. (Though I'm getting less than 30 fps on average, and with build speeds probably affected by the same bug as the jetpack, I suppose a 100 fps player could build more than three times faster). You could have just one gorge saving for the hive, but in that case he won't be getting as much resource towers, and saving for fades will take long.
<!--QuoteBegin--statusq+Jan 27 2003, 04:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (statusq @ Jan 27 2003, 04:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually the first one is reasonable but it should say "new player" or "new to NS" instead of newbie. In the second picture "always one gorge" is not correct and you shouldn't be banned for being gorge #2. And the third one. I have always been against server mods that alter gameplay a lot, so.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> True, i reall think that the 'one gorge only' scenario is stupid. Sure, one gorge at the start, but later more than one can be a good asset, or even needed.
When you hae over 6 players, and a good amount of res, 2 gorges can be a great asset.
And i myself, when i ahve 33 res with 1 tower, gorge to use those res on a res tower, then go skulk again. (btw i always tell them i am doing this beforehand)
If i was ever kicked for doing this, then their loss
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Kahuna: People would respect your opinion a little more if you didn't come in and insult others. Yes his comment was misguided, no you shouldn't call him stupid. Were it not for Kitsune, I wouldn't know how many hits each creature can take from each upgrade (mainly because I'm too lazy to test stuff myself, and don't have any people with that much spare time). Were it not for you...*shrug* I wouldn't have posted here? If you want some less than friendly comments, I'm more than willing to PM you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you re-read my post, you'll notice I don't call people names. It's childish, and uncalled for. Here is exactly what I said...
Never once been to a voogru server, and you expect to come into a forum and speak with intelligence?
Could you show me where I called him st00pid? One more thing, as much crap as NS forums users have given voogru, I'm very surprised you and others haven't stated this before. Or does all of this rhetoric only apply to myself, and voogru?
I know of someone that was suspended temporily for sending flaming PM's. So if you feel it necessary to do the same, fine. I'll be glad to direct them to SpyderMonkey, who is ALWAYS fair.
Well... I've never once been to a voogru server and I think I speak with intelligence. So what's your point Kahuna? That sentence is just plain inflammatory and you should know that. I bear no ill will towards voogru, but saying someone can't comment intellligently in the forums simply because they choose not to play on his servers? Please.
Back to the topic at hand, I have no problem with the admin making their own rules. I choose to avoid servers where they have modified basic elements of the game through mods... same thing for servers where the admins have rules I don't like. No skin off my back and none off theirs. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b>IF YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY SERVERS ARE SET UP, DONT PLAY ON THEM!!
FFS!!</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
no need to flame, there are many ways to play, some work better than others, what it all comes down to is if its fun or not <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
ever done a gorge rush? fun fun fun
ever had 1 gorge the whole game? fun fun fun
ever made sensory first? ( god forbid ) fun fun fun
dont hate the player hate the game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
btw, there really isnt anything wrong with modifying the game i suppose, you gota find something new or it will get old.
hey, thats how flay gets alot of his new ideas anyways?
awe well,
Ego <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> " omg 5 gorges!? " omg!
in general, most NS players play to win, not play to mess around, teach others etc.
if ever there was a game that needed a single player play/tutorial, NS would be it. has anyone else heard the utter and vast confusion of a newbie? it's harsh. so many things to learn, figure out, and a HUGE map to understand/get lost in.
bad for newbies, good for play, i say.
cheers,
Well... I've never once been to a voogru server and I think I speak with intelligence. So what's your point Kahuna? That sentence is just plain inflammatory and you should know that. I bear no ill will towards voogru, but saying someone can't comment intellligently in the forums simply because they choose not to play on his servers? Please.
Back to the topic at hand, I have no problem with the admin making their own rules. I choose to avoid servers where they have modified basic elements of the game through mods... same thing for servers where the admins have rules I don't like. No skin off my back and none off theirs. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you have never visited voogru NS servers, could you explain to me exactly all of it's features? No, you can't. Therefor speaking about what you have HEARD is on voogru, is NOT very intelligent; especially when most of what you read, isn't true. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
That was my point, exactly. AND when a self proclaimed expert has no experience in his 'expertise' what would you call it? Intelligent? Didn't think so.
I would only wish people could keep us out of their flames to start with. We mind our own business, and do not bother anyone else. However, when someone speaks about us; and what we do, it would be great if they actually knew what they were talking about.
Please keep in mind, we didn't start this thread; Also take note, we do not call people names; nor portray them in a light other then what is accurate.
There is a different between intelligence, and wisdom. It's neither wise, or intelligent to speak of things your not aware of.
I'm sorry if you perceive my message as flammatory. I was only pointing out a fact, whether you like it or not is another matter. I have nothing further to add to this discussion, as it would serve no useful purpose.
If we must; lets agree to disagree.
I think it's a good idea for someone to gorge during the first second of the game, and once the first resource tower starts to build let someone else go gorge. If the marine team isn't very aggressive, two gorges can be effective on a 4-man team, as long as the two skulks know the map and respond quickly (if the marines are attacking often, more skulks will be needed). After the first res towers are up, one gorge can continue building while the other saves for the hive.
After a while, resources flow in so quickly that one gorge goes from 0 to 22 in half the time it takes to build a resource tower. (Though I'm getting less than 30 fps on average, and with build speeds probably affected by the same bug as the jetpack, I suppose a 100 fps player could build more than three times faster).
You could have just one gorge saving for the hive, but in that case he won't be getting as much resource towers, and saving for fades will take long.
In the second picture "always one gorge" is not correct and you shouldn't be banned for being gorge #2.
And the third one. I have always been against server mods that alter gameplay a lot, so.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
True, i reall think that the 'one gorge only' scenario is stupid. Sure, one gorge at the start, but later more than one can be a good asset, or even needed.
When you hae over 6 players, and a good amount of res, 2 gorges can be a great asset.
And i myself, when i ahve 33 res with 1 tower, gorge to use those res on a res tower, then go skulk again. (btw i always tell them i am doing this beforehand)
If i was ever kicked for doing this, then their loss