M.a.l.i.c.e. Hmg Weapon Help

Daphisto

I've run into somewhat of a snag with the positioning of the HMG. For some reason the model goes in the wrong direction, as you can see from the pic. Is anyone able to tell me how I can correct this problem? I'd like to have the HMG sort of looking like it was attached to the side of the arm, sort of as an extension of the arm.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Did anyone ever release fixed smartgun animations for when the marines jump or use the jetpack? Or a muzzle-flash fix or anything?

Daphisto

'nother teaser pic.

El_Diablos

wouldnt all you need to do be to reposition the gun in the p model reference smd. then export it to the reference and recompile?

Hardstatic

That model is so sweet D. If I knew anything about modeling for HL i'd help in an instant.

Crm_Grey

Daphisto, use the guns the malice already has , u will know what gun u got because of the attacking sound

golden_eye

hmm... for anyone that knows anythign about modeling, you may be able to get away with making a "null" p_whatever_hv.mdl that is basically a model, but isn't. Hmm... thats kind of a confusing description. What I mean is make an invisible pee model or something.

eg. Im dod I replaced a knife with fists. For the pee model, the guy who made it just made an "invisible" knife so that when the player model did a stab animation it would look kinda like a punch since the hand was empty. The only problem I can think of is muzzleflashes.

I attached my fists p model so you can open it in HLMV to see what I mean.

Daphisto

<!--QuoteBegin--El Diablos+Jan 15 2003, 12:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (El Diablos @ Jan 15 2003, 12:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->wouldnt all you need to do be to reposition the gun in the p model reference smd. then export it to the reference and recompile?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you talking about repositioning it in a smd from a decompiled heavy.mdl file or a decompiled p_hmg.mdl file?

El_Diablos

i mean repositioning/rotating it in the p_hmg model

or if its like that (the gun is aimed to the side and held like a club) for all gun models then it could be something to do with the bones on your model

Wolf_Kahler

As Diablos says, it might have something to do with a joint being badly rotated by accident. I don't know exactly which joint it would be, but it would be an error in the compiling that you can only fix by completely reassigning the model to the bones from scratch and recompiling.

El_Diablos

well you wouldnt have to reassign the entire model, just the proper joint on the right hand.

Wolf_Kahler

When the skeleton gets messed up in the process of importing and exporting, you can only start over from scratch.

Daphisto

<!--QuoteBegin--=DD=Wolf Kahler+Jan 15 2003, 02:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (=DD=Wolf Kahler @ Jan 15 2003, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When the skeleton gets messed up in the process of importing and exporting, you can only start over from scratch.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The skeleton is fine. The p model was positioned differently so that is the problem.

Wolf_Kahler

Alright, then.

Crm_Grey

*is confused at tech talk* can u release the model u got then fix it and then realese alot of poeple want it inc me <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

Duo_Maxwell

to be honest i would like to have the "standerd onboard " MALICE weapons....Oh whell , i guess i'l have to makes those when MALICE is released <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Daphisto

<!--QuoteBegin--Duo Maxwell+Jan 16 2003, 02:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duo Maxwell @ Jan 16 2003, 02:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->to be honest i would like to have the "standerd onboard " MALICE weapons....Oh whell , i guess i'l have to makes those when MALICE is released <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am open to this idea but I'm not sure what I would use for the vmodel.

Wolf_Kahler

You could modify the AvP2 V_models. Or are there any?

Sirus

Can you just add a weapon to the player model ,and like hide the weapon models inside the arm, it doesnt look right at all.

Maus

Or maybe mounting it so the p_mdl is mostly inside the arm, with the barrel sticking out at the front. If that's easy/possible.

sheena_yanai

vmodel flamer

the flamer can be used for the welder.. and the laser for the lmg

sheena_yanai

vmodel minigun

sheena_yanai

minigun side

the rocket launcher..hmm... just let the rocket launcher showing up when the grenmade launcher is your active weapon.. for the hmg model just hide him..

you can show a active hmg with rorating minigun barrels

sheena_yanai

that are basicly the v models of the alice... notice the cage...wich have to be static...or maybe a bob animation would look cool
oh btw..the models are mirrored... u have to mrror them back before working with them

Wolf_Kahler

The rocket launcher could be modified to have the grenade models, instead of the rockets.

However, since Daph's model only has one of the ALICE's arms, the components of all the marine weapons have to be present in one arm. I would suggest having the LMG barrel at the top, one of the minigun barrels just under it, the torch under that and the grenade launcher on top of it all, while the shotgun is on the bottom, where the pump action is accessible. The pistol and knife would be held by the left hand. The pistol reload would have the left hand go down, out of sight, where it presumably has a quick-reload thing that has pistol clips available to just jam the pistol down on.

Reloading could be achieved by having the clips for the various weapons be removeable. The HMG clip, for example, could be like an MG34's clip [a drum plugged in to the side], the LMG clip could be just above it, the grenade clip could be a rotatary drum on the top of the arm and the shotgun shells could go in like on a normal shotgun. Wouldn't that be great?

sheena_yanai

<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> yeah.. we need somethin for the shotty... maybe something like the ut flak cannon thats mounted instead of the miniguns

edit AAArrhh.. no.. the q2 assault shotty barrels (only bigger ) would be much cooler

Maus

How would the p_models work, or is there a way of making it so a player model doesn't use them?

sheena_yanai

hmmmm ..someone sugested to locate the origin of the pweaponmodel 10 lightyears away from the model...so nobody would see it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

sheena_yanai

deleted doublepost

sheena_yanai

notice...... ------------------------------>THATS A FAKE IMAGE OK? DONT ASK ME FOR THAT <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

just wanted to show i would lke to make the vmodel <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
ok...the texture of the statusdisplay is very blurry... i used the original texture.. i would love it to make a high res version...with lcd?s.. led?s and lotso gimmicks <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

sheena_yanai

alice minigun

maybe someone can replace the barrels with sixshooters minigun

Wolf_Kahler

Oh, my God, gimme that stuff. I want to work on it!