New Artic DLC addition - The Vesper

VectorMaster22VectorMaster22 Join Date: 2018-04-23 Member: 240271Members Posts: 53 Advanced user
I haven't watched many videos, so, sorry if I missed something, but one of the Subnautica devs (@Flayra) posted something on twitter about a space station known as "the Vesper." This is what he posted.
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Now, I know that this might already be out of date (they have already replaced the "space elevator" with a rocket) but, what are your thoughts about it? How would it be implemented, and what would it be used?
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  • Aurora_SurvivorAurora_Survivor Naperville Illinois Join Date: 2018-01-04 Member: 234809Members Posts: 61 Advanced user
    They might use phasegate technology to get people from the planet to the surface. A physical structure to space would be massive and would have to peirce the atmosphere itself to get to space.
  • Isummon_DurtIsummon_Durt Lower MiddleEarth Join Date: 2017-12-09 Member: 234349Members Posts: 291 Advanced user
    edited May 11
    Dude, they should just make an orbital 3D-printer drone off of your orbital facility and then one at your base which have like really long-range printing beams. They just construct segments of tubes made from who knows what about the player which protect them from radiation and then suspend the actual player in that green shiz which the precursors use for their turbolifts. The tubes don't even have to be solid, just something which can hold the green stuff in. Maybe the printers suspend the stuff in a magnetic field sustained by tiny nanobots floating in the air. I mean- who doesn't want an atmospheric turbolift?

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    Another fauna which wasn't added to the game was called the Threadbumper, I believe. A relative of the Cave Crawler and another un-added fan-made creature called the Forumprowler. What the Threadbumper would do is weave its bioluminescent webs all around an area so as to attract Forumprowlers. Expecting a point of interest, a Forumprowler would approach- only to be sucked up by the Threadbumper's un-necessary and counterproductive posts.

    Fun fact: The concept/fan art for the Threadbumper and Forumprowler were developed alongside a fan-made submarine called the 'Idauntgiva-Ship'
  • elfcrisiselfcrisis Join Date: 2017-05-13 Member: 230466Members Posts: 426 Advanced user
    I liked the space elevator, too. They're not a new idea, but still less cliche' than rockets.
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  • VectorMaster22VectorMaster22 Join Date: 2018-04-23 Member: 240271Members Posts: 53 Advanced user
    I agree with @kingkuma and @elfcrisis. Space elevator would be cool. Just imagine riding a giant transparent tube into space! However, it would be impractical. A giant elevator would have to be very stable, not to mention very strong. Also, wouldn't the space station be orbiting the planet? Then, in order for the elevator to work, either the station would have to stay still, or you would only have a short period of time to use the elevator once it came down.
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    Still would be cool though.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands, Hoogezand Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Posts: 15,578 Advanced user
    Can someone in the know elaborate if a station at the top of the elevator as show in @VectorMaster22's picture can even stay in orbit at what appears to be ISS altitude, while orbiting at the speed of the axial rotation speed of the planet?

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  • MaalterommMaalteromm Brazil Join Date: 2017-09-22 Member: 233183Members Posts: 327 Advanced user
    edited May 11
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Can someone in the know elaborate if a station at the top of the elevator as show in @VectorMaster22's picture can even stay in orbit at what appears to be ISS altitude, while orbiting at the speed of the axial rotation speed of the planet?
    Not someone in the know, just my one cent.

    Maybe the planet gravity is weaker, or it is rotating very fast. Or maybe it's using some sort of constant propulsion, but then it isn't orbiting, more like flying.

    Anyways, I do not understand space elevators logic. It is like magic, same as electrons and airplanes.



  • VectorMaster22VectorMaster22 Join Date: 2018-04-23 Member: 240271Members Posts: 53 Advanced user
    With nano-technologies, creating a material strong enough to withstand the forces going on with the space station being connected to a planet isn't 100% impossible. However, it is certainly out of society's current technological abilities. It might be possible in the future, where Subnautica takes place in, which is probably why it was considered in the first place.
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    I still am wondering why they would build a space elevator when they have phase tech. Apparently capable of phasing entire space ships based on the one the Aurora team was supposed to build...

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  • VectorMaster22VectorMaster22 Join Date: 2018-04-23 Member: 240271Members Posts: 53 Advanced user
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    I still am wondering why they would build a space elevator when they have phase tech. Apparently capable of phasing entire space ships based on the one the Aurora team was supposed to build...

    I'm pretty sure that phasegates are supposed to be used on the industrial scale, meaning that they are really big, and they are only used by spaceships. I don't 100% know if this is true.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands, Hoogezand Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Posts: 15,578 Advanced user
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    Wouldn't a space elevator also be mostly used as a cargo transport system to get stuff of the planet right, surely that would be used on industrial scale mostly.


    It kinda reminds me of a railroad they constructed in the Netherlands, which is completely useless and also over budget. The government pushed it through, despite lots of criticism, because they wanted a faster way to supply factories with resources. The thing is, the government seems to be completely clueless on how factories resupply their depots using river barges transporting huge quantities from the Rotterdam and Eemshaven sea ports

    Yes they are MUCH slower, but they are so much more cost effective. And factories, unbeknownst to the government, have this magical thing called "resupply schedules". And if by some odd occurrence they run out, they call in the tried and proven freight supply trucks.


    My guess is that an elevator is an insane investment and with the existence of phasetech, I simply do not see any need for it. I mean the TSF also transport down their troops using infantry portals after they've set up a base using a dropship. Phasetech is IMHO vastly superior to a hugely expensive elevator that would simply not be cost effective and also would require unimaginable maintenance work, just to keep it running :D

    /rant


    *ahem* nanites -> my point is moot

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  • MaalterommMaalteromm Brazil Join Date: 2017-09-22 Member: 233183Members Posts: 327 Advanced user
    It is possible that the human phase tech requires the portal to be in space, away from "deep" gravity wells. Therefore building on a planet surface wouldn't be possible. An elevator still looks like too much trouble though.

    If it's just cargo, why not use a huge cannon? A rail gun that shoots cylindrical containers filled with ice-cream to resupply an orbiting space station sounds fun.
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members Posts: 4,768 Advanced user
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    I agree with @kingkuma and @elfcrisis. Space elevator would be cool. Just imagine riding a giant transparent tube into space! However, it would be impractical. A giant elevator would have to be very stable, not to mention very strong. Also, wouldn't the space station be orbiting the planet? Then, in order for the elevator to work, either the station would have to stay still, or you would only have a short period of time to use the elevator once it came down.
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    Still would be cool though.

    Geosynchronous order orbit (wow, thanks auto-correct!).
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  • elfcrisiselfcrisis Join Date: 2017-05-13 Member: 230466Members Posts: 426 Advanced user
    Adapted from the wiki article on space elevators:
    A space elevator would consist of a cable with one end attached to the surface near the equator and the other end in space beyond geostationary orbit. The competing forces of gravity, which is stronger at the lower end, and the outward/upward centrifugal force, which is stronger at the upper end, would result in the cable being held up, under tension, and stationary over a single position.

    A space elevator would require super strong materials, like carbon nano-tubes or something. We can't make these yet, but we're probably not far off, like a couple of decades at the most. I think it can be assumed that these materials exist in the Subnautica universe, and are fairly common.

    Someone pointed out that a small phase gate, like the kind used by the military, would be cheaper than a huge structure like a space elevator, but we don't know that. With the kind of fabricator technology in common use, churning out the materials for a large structure might be relatively trivial. It could also be that phase gates need much more exotic materials, and/or are difficult to miniaturize. Think of the first Iron Man movie, and how no one could figure out how to miniaturize the arc-reactor technology (besides Tony Stark, of course).

    Maybe it's just too expensive to make phase gates commonly, and only the military has the budget to use them like that. In that case, it wouldn't be commercially viable for a for-profit entity to use them on anything but a massive scale. i.e. The huge amounts of cargo you ship through them covers the cost of their construction and operation.

    We also know that materials can be deconstructed pretty easily, so when they're done with the elevator, they could just take it apart and re-use the materials elsewhere. Therefor, a space elevator would be cheaper over time than a phase gate, and probably more efficient than rockets. But just because an idea makes sense, doesn't mean people are going to do it. Just imagine the corporate political infighting over whether to use rockets or an elevator.
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    Kouji_San wrote: »
    I still am wondering why they would build a space elevator when they have phase tech. Apparently capable of phasing entire space ships based on the one the Aurora team was supposed to build...

    Well, for starters a phase gate would require an immense amount of energy every time you want to phase something out. No matter if it works by dematerializing at one end and rematerializing at the other or just creating some kind of space-time wormhole between both points. It would require an excessive amount of energy so it would not be an efficient way of simply moving cargo out to space

    The TSF marines use them in battle in ns2 because... well they are at war. And we all know how any country at war is willing to spend every single penny and resource of their land just to have the slightest advantage in battle. But they would never do that in normal circumstances. People will not use a TSF portal to go to work from their home, for example

    When talking about big phase gates for long range space travel you have a simple solution to the energy problem. You can just build your space gates near to big stars, which pretty much provide you with an almost unlimited amount of energy
  • VectorMaster22VectorMaster22 Join Date: 2018-04-23 Member: 240271Members Posts: 53 Advanced user
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    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    Geosynchronous order.
    Auto-correct sucks, doesn't it?
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    elfcrisis wrote: »

    Someone pointed out that a small phase gate, like the kind used by the military, would be cheaper than a huge structure like a space elevator, but we don't know that.
    "Cough cough" the military doesn't use phasegates, the TSF does that, and I don't even play Natural Selection "Cough cough" Wow I'm really sick today.
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    *AAAHTSJOOOO*


    Seems I'm allergic to Vespas

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    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    Geosynchronous order.
    "Cough cough" Geosynchronous orbit "Cough cough"

    Auto-correct. :tired_face:
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    elfcrisis wrote: »

    Someone pointed out that a small phase gate, like the kind used by the military, would be cheaper than a huge structure like a space elevator, but we don't know that.
    "Cough cough" the military doesn't use phasegates, the TSF does that, and I don't even play Natural Selection "Cough cough" Wow I'm really sick today.

    From the wiki:
    To enforce The Charter, the Trans-Govs chose Admiral Rathine Studaber, former head of the revived British Secret Service, and gave her a budget for a small military force

    I've never played Natural Selection either, but I just assumed that because the people using the gates were called marines, that they belonged to some kind of military organization. I can't believe I'm offended enough at your pedantry to even respond, but here we are. Pointing out little mistakes like "order" vs "orbit" or my misunderstanding of what the TSF is doesn't contribute to the conversation.

    Better to let it go, like I should have done instead of writing this post.
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    elfcrisis wrote: »
    elfcrisis wrote: »

    Someone pointed out that a small phase gate, like the kind used by the military, would be cheaper than a huge structure like a space elevator, but we don't know that.
    "Cough cough" the military doesn't use phasegates, the TSF does that, and I don't even play Natural Selection "Cough cough" Wow I'm really sick today.

    From the wiki:
    To enforce The Charter, the Trans-Govs chose Admiral Rathine Studaber, former head of the revived British Secret Service, and gave her a budget for a small military force

    I've never played Natural Selection either, but I just assumed that because the people using the gates were called marines, that they belonged to some kind of military organization. I can't believe I'm offended enough at your pedantry to even respond, but here we are. Pointing out little mistakes like "order" vs "orbit" or my misunderstanding of what the TSF is doesn't contribute to the conversation.

    Better to let it go, like I should have done instead of writing this post.

    FYI, the TSF,
    The "artist" formerly known as the TSA, has always been classified as a guns for hire mercenary force subject to heavy regulations called the Charter, but ultimately they're a self governing entity. I wouldn't call them your garden variety "military" force. They are more of a frontiersmen defense force, specifically trained, equipped and outfitted to combat the Kharaa and as such have various clearances beyond what the civil sector is allowed to do and as such access to advanced technologies, not just limited to phasetech but also the nanogrid. Which is basically a nanite protection system to stop, or rather slow down, the spread of the infestation in it's tracks as long as it is powered by the power grid.

    Giving the marines their time window to deal with it as soon as the first boots hit the ground. Why not just nuke it from orbit you say, see these facilities are worth a bit too much to merely blow up, so in comes the TSF to solve these "little" problem. An important thing to note is that the Kharaa tends to go into hibernation mode and retreats back to one Hive if it has consumed all the resources (victims and power sources). But as soon as it detects fresh meat, so to speak, it will wake up once more. With the Hive Mind spawning it's defensive creatures and ramping up it's capabilities to meet the threat until it is eliminated and of course absorbed into the Hive Biomass.

    Funnily enough, the TSF is quite understaffed and under equipped as they are mostly under wraps and kept from the public light. Something they, the various governments, don't want to mention to the public for fairly obvious reasons.

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    elfcrisis wrote: »

    Better to let it go, like I should have done instead of writing this post.

    In all due respect, I only wanted to point out that you said that the military used phasegates. I don't necessarily know if the TSF is a branch of military in the NS universe, I just thought you were talking about the actual military in real life. Obviously, I knew that you didn't mean it that way, its just a pet peeve I have when people start talking about video games without specifiing that they are talking about a video game. For instance (sorry in advance), I always make fun of people when they start talking about Fortnite, but they don't say that they are, so I just hear "Hey, I killed three people yesterday with my bolt-action sniper!" (Either that, or I have some very messed up friends.) Anyway, sorry about insulting you somehow.
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    elfcrisis wrote: »

    Better to let it go, like I should have done instead of writing this post.

    In all due respect, I only wanted to point out that you said that the military used phasegates. I don't necessarily know if the TSF is a branch of military in the NS universe, I just thought you were talking about the actual military in real life. Obviously, I knew that you didn't mean it that way, its just a pet peeve I have when people start talking about video games without specifiing that they are talking about a video game. For instance (sorry in advance), I always make fun of people when they start talking about Fortnite, but they don't say that they are, so I just hear "Hey, I killed three people yesterday with my bolt-action sniper!" (Either that, or I have some very messed up friends.) Anyway, sorry about insulting you somehow.

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