Quick question for the community (about push to talk keybind)

BeigeAlertBeigeAlert Texas Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186657Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts Posts: 2,750 admin
Hey guys, just a quick question... I think I know the answer, but want to be sure.

Is there anybody out there that would NOT be in favor of removing the distinction between commander push to talk and regular push to talk? In other words, right now, there are two keybinds for push to talk, one for regular "in the field" players, and one for commanders. Would anybody be opposed to us removing the commander-specific keybind and just using the same PTT key for commanders?
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  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,529 Advanced user
    I actually use the separate keybinds because I swap between keyboard and gamepad between comm/field. But I wouldn't mind your proposed change because I can re-program or adapt my binds as necessary.
    To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to play Natural Selection 2. The gameplay is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of military strategy and advanced mathematics you won't even win a single game. Theres also the game's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the game. The maps and artwork draw heavily from Riddley Scott's Alien franchise, for instance. The players understand this stuff, they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of the game, to realise that it's not just great, that it also says something about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Natural Selection 2 truly ARE idiots. of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in the Marines' existential catchphrase "how do I get to be so good", which itself is a cryptic reference to the high degree of intelligence required to play the game as intended. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion when spectating a game. What fools... how I pity them. And, yes, by the way, i DO have a Fade tatoo. And no, you cannot see it. it's for the ladies' eyes only, and even then they have to demonstrate that they are within 50 hive skill points of my own (preferable lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
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  • The_Welsh_WizardThe_Welsh_Wizard Join Date: 2013-09-10 Member: 188101Members, Reinforced - Supporter Posts: 616 Advanced user
    Can't you just make a checkbox behind the field push to talk key that says something like: Check this to make this commander key aswell. And when you don't check it, you have the two seperate bindings.
  • KasharicKasharic Hull, England Join Date: 2013-03-27 Member: 184473Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester Posts: 479 Advanced user
    I already have them both assigned as the same button anyway. So it wouldn't affect me either way.
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  • jrgnjrgn Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58289Members Posts: 111 Advanced user
    Using separate keybinds as comm and on the field. Keys close to esdf are scarce! I use z on the field and alt in the chair.
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  • VetinariVetinari Join Date: 2013-07-23 Member: 186325Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver Posts: 3,331 Advanced user
    I actually use the separate keybinds because I swap between keyboard and gamepad between comm/field. But I wouldn't mind your proposed change because I can re-program or adapt my binds as necessary.

    I... I honestly can't tell if this is subtle trolling or if you're genuinely mad.


    On topic: I have push to talk bound to p and p bound to one of my mouse thumb buttons, so I don't care.
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  • Deck_Deck_ Join Date: 2014-07-20 Member: 197526Members Posts: 285 Advanced user
    I think it's annoying when I forget to bind the commander push to talk to the key I want. So I wouldn't mind the change.
  • ResistorResistor Russia Join Date: 2014-08-01 Member: 197747Members Posts: 32 Advanced user
    edited September 2017
    I find that having an alternative is better than not.
    BeigeAlert wrote: »
    So it sounds like what I need to do is keep the two binds, but regular binding...
    Sounds like best solution.

    Offtopic: could we please have an alternative keybind for every action? I prefer metabolize on a thumb button, but using the same key for marine sprint is a bit unconvinient (the action is called "special movent", I suppose).

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  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,529 Advanced user
    Vetinari wrote: »
    I actually use the separate keybinds because I swap between keyboard and gamepad between comm/field. But I wouldn't mind your proposed change because I can re-program or adapt my binds as necessary.

    I... I honestly can't tell if this is subtle trolling or if you're genuinely mad.


    On topic: I have push to talk bound to p and p bound to one of my mouse thumb buttons, so I don't care.

    Gamepad, as in those nostromo things, lmao. If I could play NS2 proficiently with a controller that'd be amazing
    To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to play Natural Selection 2. The gameplay is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of military strategy and advanced mathematics you won't even win a single game. Theres also the game's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the game. The maps and artwork draw heavily from Riddley Scott's Alien franchise, for instance. The players understand this stuff, they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of the game, to realise that it's not just great, that it also says something about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Natural Selection 2 truly ARE idiots. of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in the Marines' existential catchphrase "how do I get to be so good", which itself is a cryptic reference to the high degree of intelligence required to play the game as intended. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion when spectating a game. What fools... how I pity them. And, yes, by the way, i DO have a Fade tatoo. And no, you cannot see it. it's for the ladies' eyes only, and even then they have to demonstrate that they are within 50 hive skill points of my own (preferable lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
  • KasharicKasharic Hull, England Join Date: 2013-03-27 Member: 184473Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester Posts: 479 Advanced user
    Vetinari wrote: »
    I actually use the separate keybinds because I swap between keyboard and gamepad between comm/field. But I wouldn't mind your proposed change because I can re-program or adapt my binds as necessary.

    I... I honestly can't tell if this is subtle trolling or if you're genuinely mad.


    On topic: I have push to talk bound to p and p bound to one of my mouse thumb buttons, so I don't care.

    Gamepad, as in those nostromo things, lmao. If I could play NS2 proficiently with a controller that'd be amazing

    Ahhh... a gaming keypad.... yeah, I have a T9 Delux... but, I always use my mouse thumb button for push to talk.
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  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,529 Advanced user
    Mouse buttons for me are Map and Sprint, heehee
    To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to play Natural Selection 2. The gameplay is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of military strategy and advanced mathematics you won't even win a single game. Theres also the game's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the game. The maps and artwork draw heavily from Riddley Scott's Alien franchise, for instance. The players understand this stuff, they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of the game, to realise that it's not just great, that it also says something about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Natural Selection 2 truly ARE idiots. of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in the Marines' existential catchphrase "how do I get to be so good", which itself is a cryptic reference to the high degree of intelligence required to play the game as intended. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion when spectating a game. What fools... how I pity them. And, yes, by the way, i DO have a Fade tatoo. And no, you cannot see it. it's for the ladies' eyes only, and even then they have to demonstrate that they are within 50 hive skill points of my own (preferable lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
  • SamusDroidSamusDroid Colorado Join Date: 2013-05-13 Member: 185219Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Playtester, Community Dev Team, Pistachionauts Posts: 2,145 mod
    edited September 2017
    @BeigeAlert When I originally implemented Commander Bindings, I had the same question, "Does it really need to be separate?" But then upon asking for feedback I got an overwhelming amount of "YES PLS!". So that's why it's currently separate. Also, the way the binds work now is defaulting to the non-commander binds I think, or maybe it was changed or it has a bug still...
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    SamusDroid wrote: »
    @BeigeAlert When I originally implemented Commander Bindings, I had the same question, "Does it really need to be separate?" But then upon asking for feedback I got an overwhelming amount of "YES PLS!". So that's why it's currently separate. Also, the way the binds work now is defaulting to the non-commander binds I think, or maybe it was changed or it has a bug still...

    Ah that explains it. Well, currently the behavior doesn't default to anything because the commander bind is always defaulted to left alt, so people will sometimes just not know they've not been talking to their team for an entire round.
  • StarClawsStarClaws Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9974Members Posts: 125 Advanced user
    I am actually strongly for a seperate key for fighter and commander push to talk. alt for commander and v for fighter is what I use. As well as mouse5 incase I'm being lazy. Having MORE options should be the goal while reducing the amount of customization we are allowed shouldn't even be considered as long as it doesn't hinder the game.

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  • HandschuhHandschuh Join Date: 2005-03-08 Member: 44338Members Posts: 242 Advanced user
    BeigeAlert wrote: »
    Well, currently the behavior doesn't default to anything because the commander bind is always defaulted to left alt, so people will sometimes just not know they've not been talking to their team for an entire round.

    This issue could be easily resolved by using different defaultkeys
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