Oxygen Pump Moduile for Seamoth
mikeloeven
Join Date: 2017-04-14 Member: 229623Members
Join Date: 2017-04-14 Member: 229623Members
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I've always wanted to see some device or function that can be enabled to reduce O2 consumption. It can be like -1 loss/tic instead of the -3 loss/tic , but the trade-off is your food and water consumption is drastically increased. In order to keep it balanced, you can't eat or drink while under it's effect, and when cancelled you can't reactivate it until five minutes real-time has passed... Maybe it could tie into a Transfuser serum.
Another idea is an upgrade to the Rebreather via the Modification Station. The Rebreather of course makes it so yellow and red depth gauges force O2 consumption always runs like white depths (3 O2 every 3 seconds). Perhaps a Mk. II upgrade could turn it into 2 O2/3sec and even a Mk. III pushing it to 1 O2/3sec.
You may be asking "Why are you so fixated on surviving underwater? Isn't the risk of death part of the gameplay bruh?" Well TBPH it's such a pain to explore some wrecks or even caverns without needing extreme oxygen supplies. Extra O2 tanks are cumbersome to carry and Oxygen Pipes are so time-consuming to build/dismantle.
The average person can hold their breath underwater for about two minutes unaided, and some can go up to four minutes in more select cases; yet we can only go up to 105 seconds on a single tank (and even then if it's enhanced). You could explain the short times as due to the game's shortened day/night cycle, but when the PDA says "30 seconds" and "10 seconds" that's in normal realtime, so that doesn't explain that issue.
Now the point of this comment is not to poke fun at "inaccuracies" or makes complaints - it's to embrace the wonder and allure of the game! Sometimes it's fun to turn on OXYGEN and INVISIBLE codes and just explore this amazing world! There are a lot of details we miss by zipping in and out of areas, and just admiring the sway of blood grass on the ocean floor or the ethereal glow of creepvines at night is just incredible.
There's a tipping point where the extra O2 tanks slow you down, causing you to take so much more time that they aren't worth it. I think anything more than ~4 tanks total (one in the paperdoll slot and 3 in inventory) is a waste. Of course that can change with lightweight or extra capacity tanks, and player preference (if they like to mosey about taking everything in, they won't really be slowed down much, and would benefit from more tanks).
You named the reason in your post. It is the different pace of time in Subnautica. I don't know it's exact length but for an example let us say one second real time is one minute in Subnautica Time. So 105 real time seconds you get with 2 normal airtanks would be 105minutes of air. That again is not so unrealistic depending on the depth you dive in. Once we got the rebreather equipped we can easy judge our possible dive-time in seconds displayed in our O² hud no matter how deep we dive, thx to the "gameplay is more important than reality"-fact. The PDA says it in real time because it is way more comprehensible that way.
I think the Devs decided to limit our dive time to less then a minute at start and "only" a few minutes later in the game (depending on your tank count) to let O² still be a factor for survival. Sure a diving simulator would give you more real time underwater but such a simulator would factor so many things into its calculation aswell that it would only make fun for hardcore diving fans and not the usual gamer out there.
But you could just take many airtanks with you because most of the things you get out of wrecks are scans for blueprints or not? Sure you get 2 Titanium for each already scanned fragment but you don't really explore wrecks for Titanium now do you? So just for scanning you could almost fill up your whole inventory with airtanks which should give you plenty of time for each wreck out there.
If you dislike the dependence so much, you can start a creative game and just enjoy the world Subnautica offers. Or you can use the "Oxygen" cheat to get rid of the O² consumption. Maybe we will get a "custom game"-mode after release which will let us choose which factors we want to use and which not. Untill then you'll have to get along with the current system as it is I guess.
And sorry for the double post...I simply did overlook your point with the "tipping point".
I was hoping someone would bring up this point...
Could I point-blank, force myself to hold my breath longer than thirty seconds? I doubt I could be able to go beyond that. Without training for the exercise, more than 30 seconds is pushing it. (Point for TPG!)
So while the "average" of untrained everyday people is a mere 30 seconds, times of 2 minutes (or longer) is perfectly acceptable, as long as the person develops and maintains the ability to do so. (Point for TPG and Tark!)
So, trained people can indeed stay underwater for several minutes at a time (or longer!) and it's perfectly reasonable to do so. However, it seems it comes at an increased risk, with potential health factors involved. Perhaps... a dramatic increase of Food/Water levels, or a slow tick of Health loss as a result? (Point for Tark!)
Yeah, I certainly wouldn't play Subnautica as much if game-time were more like real-time... although taking five minutes to craft a Titanium Ingot would be an interesting twist! (I KID, I KID! I remember when the Experimental increased crafting time changes were first implemented, so many people got so angry...)
Thanks, but I dislike the Creative version of the world... to me there's no point in playing if there's no game survival or meters to be managed - just swimming around with nothing to do really. And I don't like using codes like OXYGEN, NODAMAGE, INVISIBLE while playing a Survival mode; it just defeats the purpose I think.
@ThePassionateGamer please don't take what I said as criticism, I enjoyed rebutting your points. Believe me, I did a lot of fact checking before I posted (but is it really factual if it comes from the internet, though?)
Yeah, I use the SeaGlide with Swim Charge Fins attached (infinite fast travel speed, yeah!) with just a High-Capacity O2 Tank installed, and it causes issues when exploring certain large wrecks (such as Deep Grand Reef #2 and the Floating Islands). I suppose I'll have to use more tanks when deep diving, but I just hate dealing with the reduced inventory space and movement speed.
Eh...not trained so much as practiced. Personally, my own record is about 110 seconds. So tantalizingly close to two minutes, I know, but there are two things to consider - one of which is keeping me from trying to best that record.
1. That's inert testing. As in only the exertion necessary to hold yourself under the surface. The lowest possible oxygen consumption, coupled with a very, very relaxed state of mind (no, not a trance, just focused). The more you exert, the faster you burn that oxygen. And yes, the more practice you get, the better you get. Pearl divers can actively freedive for several minutes, but they have lungs like a frickin' Clydesdale just from sheer repetition.
2. When you're doing a hold test, you usually game the test by hyperventilating. Contrary to popular belief, hyperventilation doesn't superload your blood with oxygen as much as it strips out as much CO2 as possible. This extends your submergence time, but it opens the door for death. I'm not kidding. Blood CO2 concentration is what cues your nervous system that you're running out of air and need to breathe, not the O2 level. When you artificially drop the CO2 concentration, that warning system is essentially broken. As a result, you can and will run out of O2 before you feel the need to surface and breathe, so if you're not alert for the symptoms of hypoxia, you can actually drown without realizing you're running out of air. It's called hypoxic blackout, but also goes by the names freediving blackout or the generally-obsolete shallow-water blackout. The net result is the same: you pass out because your brain runs short on usable O2. If that happens on land, you pass out and wake up again after your blood gas balance goes back to normal. But underwater, you pass out and automatically take a good lungful of water. But your brain doesn't have enough oxygen to "wake up" and realize you're drowning...so you take another lungful. And unless someone hauls you out and drains your lungs...you die.
I kid you not: you mess around with that sort of test and don't know what you're doing, you can kill yourself very, very easily. Don't bloody do it. The bragging rights aren't worth it.
Now, since I really don't feel like fighting with the forums' er...interesting quote system, I'm just going to call out two points from @Tarkannen's very well-written post.
The Mammalian Diving Reflex
Isn't going to help in this situation. The Diving Reflex (its contemporary name, since it's not limited to mammals) really only helps in an emergency. Basically, what happens is your body reroutes oxygenated blood to the heart and brain to stave off death for as long as possible. A diver, who has to swim and maneuver, is basically manually overriding the reflex, and thus gains little benefit from it.
Brian Palmer
Really, really needs to go back to biology class.
Honestly as i pointed out before the major problem with this game is rate of oxygen consumption even with the re-breathers (which would actually extend your dive time by hours not seconds.) which in my opinion is detrimental to a game primarily about exploration.
The optimal solution would be replacing pipes with long air hoses that connect directly to your tanks and unwind as you explore. believe it or not while the days of huge brass helmets and hand pumps are gone modern divers still use hoses in some situations
Very true. In fact, the art used for our Rebreather in Subnautica is a Kirby-Morgan dive helmet (looks like a SuperLite 27), and most of those are surface-supplied. But you wouldn't want to feed that line from a little bitty submersible like a Seamoth; you'd deplete its bottled gas reserves in no time flat. (Surface-supplied diving isn't exactly gas-efficient.)